2018 CFP Rankings

[koonja]

I think we are safe from Bama as long as we don't trip in with one loss (which most here seem to think we would stand 0.0% chance of playoffs). Bama loses to UGA and we get #1 Clemson vs. #4 Bama with #2 ND vs #3 UGA - This might be the best scenario for us.

Bama wins and we aren't dropping to #4 unless the committee pulls the ultimate screw job on us. Most likely we get #4 UM/OSU/OK vs #1 Bama and #2 Clemson vs #3 ND. I could see them looking for any excuse in the book to put us at #4 though.

I really like this scenario and if Georgia beats Bama, it'd have to play out this way, right?

Clemson would naturally slide to #1, Bama would have to move behind us, so ND at 3. Unless they deemed Georgia's victory enough to move them to #2, but either way, same difference --- ND vs Georgia (I like ththe revenge factor), and Clemson vs Bama.

I think I'm finally on board to root for Bama to lose the SEC champ.

 

[stlnd01]

I think, once it all plays out, a one loss ND would have a pretty good shot at making the playoffs. Won't be many one loss teams out there and they may want an excuse to put us in there for ratings and every other school would beg not to be #4 to be sacrificed at the altar of Saban.

I tend to agree. It’s not even about rankings and seeding.
If Bama beats Georgia and Oklahoma and WVU split - both of which I’d say are more likely than not - you’re still down to
Bama
Clemson
Michigan/OSU winner
ND
Wazzu (assuming they win out, which is no guarantee).

We still beat Michigan, and Wazzu beat... no one.

 

[ickythump1225]

I think beating a blue blood like UGA/OSU/Clemson/Oklahoma would have more street cred than beating Michigan again. Those teams have more recent sustained success backing up their status whereas Michigan is just the latest flavor of the month who is only getting attention b/c they have a big name (kind of how people frequently view ND). Much more Pretender than Contender.

I would absolutely love to see OSU fall in to a #3 spot by winning out and either Clemson or Bama picking up a loss to fall to #4. Best match up of all the above IMO AND the added benefit of some long overdue revenge on those asshats. Beat Urban into another medical retirement - that would be sooooooo much sweeter than beating Hairball again (which we get to do next year anyway).

2012 beat out of me the idea of caring about street cred or what have you. I wish KSU wouldn't have lost. We'd have another title to our credit (fuck the NCAA, I ain't vacating shit). I don't care if we play Wash St and then UCF for the title. Haters can hate and their talk would mean nothing.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Depending on the scenario I think if ND would go lose close game to cuse and then beat USC I’d still put ND in the playoff. Georgia isn’t beating bama and Clemson isn’t losing so they have 1 and 2 locked up. Let’s say Michigan wins out and locks up the number 3 spot that leaves the 4th spot to a 1 loss ND or a 1 loss big 12 champ potentially ND gets in over Oklahoma hands down, now if ohio state wins out they take the number 3 spot and it’s still ND against the big 12 champ. No way in hell a one loss pac 12 champ Washington State gets in over 1 loss ND plus I doubt they win out.

 

[ThePiombino]

Honestly, if we can't beat Cuse with Book at QB then we don't deserve a playoff spot. Nor should we want one.

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[IrishFaninTX]

Honestly, if we can't beat Cuse with Book at QB then we don't deserve a playoff spot. Nor should we want one.

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Which equates to OSU and OU not deserving it if they win out. Both of their losses would be worse than our loss. In OSU's case by a lot.

 

[stlnd01]

Honestly, if we can't beat Cuse with Book at QB then we don't deserve a playoff spot. Nor should we want one.

Yes, let's just hand a playoff spot over to less-deserving teams as a form of self-flagellation.
A loss to Syracuse (probably top ten if they beat us) would still be a better loss than any of the other one-loss teams except for, um, Michigan.

 

[ThePiombino]

Which equates to OSU and OU not deserving it if they win out. Both of their losses would be worse than our loss. In OSU's case by a lot.

Yup

Yes, let's just hand a playoff spot over to less-deserving teams as a form of self-flagellation.
A loss to Syracuse (probably top ten if they beat us) would still be a better loss than any of the other one-loss teams except for, um, Michigan.

Nope, more deserving if we lose to Syracuse.

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[Irish Insanity]

What I find amusing, the only place I hear of a 12-0 ND not making the playoffs is here.

We are ND

I tend to agree. It’s not even about rankings and seeding.
If Bama beats Georgia and Oklahoma and WVU split - both of which I’d say are more likely than not - you’re still down to
Bama
Clemson
Michigan/OSU winner
ND
Wazzu (assuming they win out, which is no guarantee).

We still beat Michigan, and Wazzu beat... no one.

I hope this isn't in seeding order, because a B1G winner with either a head to head loss to us, or embarrassing loss to Pursue, will not jump us.

 

[ulukinatme]

What I find amusing, the only place I hear of a 12-0 ND not making the playoffs is here.

There have been some talking heads at ESPN that have tried to make the argument we don't get in. Those individuals are bimbos though.

 

[BabyIrish]

There have been some talking heads at ESPN that have tried to make the argument we don't get in. Those individuals are bimbos though.

Yep, there was an analyst on college football live on Saturday (can't remember who) who's top 4 was Bama, Clemson, Michigan, and Georgia.

Honestly I think a decent amount of analysts think this way, but are reluctantly admitting that if we are undefeated we get in because of our brand name, not because of our team.

 

[Dizzyphil]

There have been some talking heads at ESPN that have tried to make the argument we don't get in. Those individuals are bimbos though.

Yep, there was an analyst on college football live on Saturday (can't remember who) who's top 4 was Bama, Clemson, Michigan, and Georgia.

Honestly I think a decent amount of analysts think this way, but are reluctantly admitting that if we are undefeated we get in because of our brand name, not because of our team.

But that is based on a 9-0 record, tonight they will base on 10-0.


My point being, no team's schedule is complete yet and basing that the Irish go 12-0, some on here are being negative that the Irish do not make it against 1 loss teams.



I don't get the negativity when I've seen/heard nothing of the sort anywhere else but here. The chances of the Irish not getting in if the current top 4 win out - including the Irish is so far off I really do not even know why it is a subject.

 

[GowerND11]

But that is based on a 9-0 record, tonight they will base on 10-0.


My point being, no team's schedule is complete yet and basing that the Irish go 12-0, some on here are being negative that the Irish do not make it against 1 loss teams.



I don't get the negativity when I've seen/heard nothing of the sort anywhere else but here. The chances of the Irish not getting in if the current top 4 win out - including the Irish is so far off I really do not even know why it is a subject.

And the bolded is exactly why the CFP Special every week is the dumbest thing out there. The basketball committee doesn't do anything close to it. Yet, here we are week after week arguing, discussing, worrying, etc. all based on what they will rank teams based on 75% of the season. It's bullshit, quite frankly. I don't care that LSU would be ranked ahead of ND two weeks ago, because it doesn't matter (even if it was wrong). The committee releases these rankings only based on what has happened, not even forecasting results down the line.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Can I say that I hope Michigan gets destroyed by OSU? I'm so tired of that "Michigan is better than ND, look at the advanced stats" talking points. Scoreboard morons.

 

[Irish YJ]

Many bitch that the AP and Coaches polls start before or at the beginning of the season, and suggest it should not start till week XX... Now some bitch that the CFP shouldn't happen at week 10, and should happen post season. I personally think it is what it is, and you can't make everyone happy.

The debate about ND getting left out was stronger a few weeks ago. Ebb and flow based on what happens every week. Since then, ND has taken care of business the last two weeks. We beat @NW by a larger margin than scUM, and convincingly beat FSU (at team we should convincingly beat) with our backup QB. That translates to a silencing of the narrative. The narrative is still there waiting for us to look less than CFP worthy in one of the two remaining games.

Close wins in either of the two remaining teams will be fine given Cuse ranking, and our historical rivalry with USC. Good wins completely shut people up. A loss and the narrative finds legs and gets loud. Worst scenario for us is a loss to a shitty USC team, a scUM win over OSU, and a Bama loss to UGA. And I don't think any of those three things are going to happen lol.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

What I find amusing, the only place I hear of a 12-0 ND not making the playoffs is here.

I guess you're not tuning in to the playoff rankings shows and/or college gameday?

At this point it's just talk, which is, as was previously alluded to, merely a product of the system. I'm a firm believer that at 12-0, we are a lock, probably no lower than 3.

However, the conversation is being had that if each scUM, ND, and Clemson all win out, and UGA beats Bama ( this is the absolute nightmare scenario ), some of the (dumbass) talking heads are saying that you could make an argument for scUM over ND, and Bama at #4, putting us at 5 due to the "resume, eye test" bull $hit.

I think it's just that: Talk. There's no way they could use subjectivity with a clear indicator, head to head, separating us and scUM.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Many bitch that the AP and Coaches polls start before or at the beginning of the season, and suggest it should not start till week XX.

Yet the polls that don't come out until mid-season always very closely match where the AP & Coaches polls are by that time. Yes, there are teams that are badly over- or under-rated in the early polls, but the two polls sort themselves out after a few weeks. The narrative that teams stay ranked too high or low because of the early polls doesn't really hold water.

 

[NDohio]

What I find amusing, the only place I hear of a 12-0 ND not making the playoffs is here.

Interesting - I didn't realize that Mike Tirico was a member of IE. After-all, he felt the need to bring up this talking point on the game broadcast so he must be lurking.

 

[T Town Tommy]

ND is in at 12-0. At 11-1, it opens the door for some interesting debate - depending on how the other contenders finish out.

 

[Dizzyphil]

And the bolded is exactly why the CFP Special every week is the dumbest thing out there. The basketball committee doesn't do anything close to it. Yet, here we are week after week arguing, discussing, worrying, etc. all based on what they will rank teams based on 75% of the season. It's bullshit, quite frankly. I don't care that LSU would be ranked ahead of ND two weeks ago, because it doesn't matter (even if it was wrong). The committee releases these rankings only based on what has happened, not even forecasting results down the line.

Why I don't watch it brother !!!!

I guess you're not tuning in to the playoff rankings shows and/or college gameday?

At this point it's just talk, which is, as was previously alluded to, merely a product of the system. I'm a firm believer that at 12-0, we are a lock, probably no lower than 3.

However, the conversation is being had that if each scUM, ND, and Clemson all win out, and UGA beats Bama ( this is the absolute nightmare scenario ), some of the (dumbass) talking heads are saying that you could make an argument for scUM over ND, and Bama at #4, putting us at 5 due to the "resume, eye test" bull $hit.

I think it's just that: Talk. There's no way they could use subjectivity with a clear indicator, head to head, separating us and scUM.

Nope, see reply #1 to Gower - 90% of the commentators are 'homers' and yes, that includes the Golics......


And I agree..... it's mostly talk..... heresy

Interesting - I didn't realize that Mike Tirico was a member of IE. After-all, he felt the need to bring up this talking point on the game broadcast so he must be lurking.

In every ND game I have watched (all so far that Tirico has commentated), never - ever heard Tirico state that ND was not worthy of the top 4 to be left out at 12-0 - please,..... snip a clip of his statement and post...

 

[Kingbish01]

ND is in at 12-0. At 11-1, it opens the door for some interesting debate - depending on how the other contenders finish out.

I think an 11-1 ND team has better odds of getting in, than a 12-0 ND team getting left out.

 

[Irishize]

The Pac 12 is a long shot anyway to be represented but one (controversial) loss Wazzu deserves to jump 2-loss LSU. The Bayou Bengals are one of many overrated SEC teams.

Les Miles was fired for not bringing his offense out of the stone age. Meanwhile, this season’s team is on pace to produce the worst offense since for an LSU team since 2009.

Even their D isn’t ‘Elite’ but since they’ve had that reputation they continue to be labeled as such. Their secondary could be considered elite. Front 7...not so much. Not bad, mind you; but not elite.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Yet the polls that don't come out until mid-season always very closely match where the AP & Coaches polls are by that time. Yes, there are teams that are badly over- or under-rated in the early polls, but the two polls sort themselves out after a few weeks. The narrative that teams stay ranked too high or low because of the early polls doesn't really hold water.

It's not pervasive, but it does exist. Penn State for example is ranked 15/16th in the country. Their best win this year is vs. a 4 loss team and lost their three toughest games of the year (2 @ home and the one road game they got housed). Their resume is weak.

Do you think they would be ranked 15/16th this year if they started the year unranked?

Sure, there are a handful of 3 loss teams sitting in the 15-25 slots. But the inflation of PSU's ranking provides partial justification for MSU's' ranking, which feeds an inflation to team XYZ. All it takes is one or two teams to have this spiral.

 

[Dizzyphil]

It's not pervasive, but it does exist. Penn State for example is ranked 15/16th in the country. Their best win this year is vs. a 4 loss team and lost their three toughest games of the year (2 @ home and the one road game they got housed). Their resume is weak.

Do you think they would be ranked 15/16th this year if they started the year unranked?

Sure, there are a handful of 3 loss teams sitting in the 15-25 slots. But the inflation of PSU's ranking provides partial justification for MSU's' ranking, which feeds an inflation to team XYZ. All it takes is one or two teams to have this spiral.

This I can agree with... you could also say the same about Clemson. I have read a couple of articles this week that are stating the ACC is killing the Irish in SOS. Well, what does that say about Clemson? Is Furman why Clemson is ranked #2??

Not buggin' on you but this is why I don't see the argument or why it is even being stated that a 12-0 Irish team gets shunned because a 1 loss WHOMEVER gets in ahead of them.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yet the polls that don't come out until mid-season always very closely match where the AP & Coaches polls are by that time. Yes, there are teams that are badly over- or under-rated in the early polls, but the two polls sort themselves out after a few weeks. The narrative that teams stay ranked too high or low because of the early polls doesn't really hold water.

I think to an extent, things do sort themselves out. I don't have a problem with "the team" that is overrated. I have more of a problem with the boost another team gets when they beat that overrated team.

A great example of a team moving up with lightning speed is LSU... (with wins over overrated teams like Miami and Auburn). They had jumps of +14 and +6 to go from #25 to #6 in three games/weeks.....

I remember chuckling when they jumped ND after ND beat them 4 games ago... Don't get me wrong, I think LSU is a good and solid team. But they didn't deserve to go to the front of the line beating a trash Miami squad and a very mediocre Auburn team...

 

[Dizzyphil]

I think to an extent, things do sort themselves out. I don't have a problem with "the team" that is overrated. I have more of a problem with the boost another team gets when they beat that overrated team.

A great example of a team moving up with lightning speed is LSU... (with wins over overrated teams like Miami and Auburn). They had jumps of +14 and +6 to go from #25 to #6 in three games/weeks.....

I remember chuckling when they jumped ND after ND beat them 4 games ago... Don't get me wrong, I think LSU is a good and solid team. But they didn't deserve to go to the front of the line beating a trash Miami squad and a very mediocre Auburn team...

Agree 100%

 

[NDohio]

Why I don't watch it brother !!!!





Nope, see reply #1 to Gower - 90% of the commentators are 'homers' and yes, that includes the Golics......


And I agree..... it's mostly talk..... heresy





In every ND game I have watched (all so far that Tirico has commentated), never - ever heard Tirico state that ND was not worthy of the top 4 to be left out at 12-0 - please,..... snip a clip of his statement and post...

No - Tirico was defending ND. Late in the game against FSU Mike and shut up Flutie had an entire discussion about all of the chatter going on out there about Michigan surpassing ND in the standings and ND being left out.

My point is that your statement about IE being the only place this is happening cannot be true or else Tirico wouldn't have needed to take five minutes of the telecast to talk about it.

 

[Irish YJ]

Agree 100%

It would have great for ND to play Stanford, USC, and FSU the first three weeks LOL

 

[Dizzyphil]

It would have great for ND to play Stanford, USC, and FSU the first three weeks LOL

I believe the press has some to do with result of the game played as well which I think affects how they are ranked the following week (in AP and coaches polls). Its like, "The Irish better watch out for Virginia Tech, the Hokies have something up their sleeve coming in ranked and 3-1 crushing Duke last weekend."



Then the Irish hand them their azzes and its, "Well, the Irish beat a depleted VT team" after all the 'Enter Sandman' hype and hoopla.....

 

[Dizzyphil]

I hope we can all agree the system is still flawed even being removed from the BCS....




Why would you only have a 4 team playoff when there are 5 power conferences, each with a Champion??