2016 Presidential Horse Race

[Buster Bluth]

Do you actually know anything about her? She has as many accomplishments as most of the Republican field.



Also she served as a Senator for 8 years and as Secretary of State for 4. I am not a huge fan of HRC but you are greatly exaggerating when you say she has "no accomplishments".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Yeah no kidding. I despise the Clintons but to say she hasn't done anything is just ignorant. She is immensely qualified.

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[FightingIrishLover7]

It's amazing. She has absolutely zero accomplishments in her lifetime and is running on last name alone.

Man, I think hillary is as fake as they come.

But zero accomplishments?

Who on the Republican side as done more?

 

[connor_in]

What is really amazing is that she is going to win.

God help us all if she does

 

[RDU Irish]

Winning an election is an accomplishment... I guess. Who would ever think Wal-Mart would want the first lady of their home state on their board of directors. What did she get done as a Senator? Sec. of State has been a bit of a cluster. Her work in the '70s sounds interesting, I'll grant you that.

I mean, compared to Obama she does have a lot of experience. Way to aim high, Dems.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

I'm just wondering if cancelling the Telemundo debate (due to the NBC Universal suspension by the RNC) is really a good idea and the best way for Republicans to show love to Latinos? I don't get it; but maybe that's why I'm not in politics.

 

[GoIrish41]

Winning an election is an accomplishment... I guess. Who would ever think Wal-Mart would want the first lady of their home state on their board of directors. What did she get done as a Senator? Sec. of State has been a bit of a cluster. Her work in the '70s sounds interesting, I'll grant you that.

I mean, compared to Obama she does have a lot of experience. Way to aim high, Dems.

You think its too late for us to get your real estate developer, brain surgeon, dentist, or failed CEO?

 

[RDU Irish]

Who is the dentist?


Had this skeleton butler with a serving tray set up this weekend for a party. Put "Bernie" on a name tag and not a single person got it, tons didn't even know who Bernie Sanders is. Decrepit old ghoul giving out free crap, I thought it was obvious.

 

[GoIrish41]

Who is the dentist?


Had this skeleton butler with a serving tray set up this weekend for a party. Put "Bernie" on a name tag and not a single person got it, tons didn't even know who Bernie Sanders is. Decrepit old ghoul giving out free crap, I thought it was obvious.

Sorry ... once and future eye doctor.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'm just wondering if cancelling the Telemundo debate (due to the NBC Universal suspension by the RNC) is really a good idea and the best way for Republicans to show love to Latinos? I don't get it; but maybe that's why I'm not in politics.

Their whole NBC public scolding is going to backfire on them. This really looks like a bunch of candidates who don't want to answer hard questions. Whether that is the reality of it or not, if a candidate is running for President and avoids answering hard quesitons, he/she is never going to be president. It is part of the gauntlet. As I mentioned before, Dems got tough questions, too, during their debate and answered them instead of throwing a tantrum. There is a full trascript of the debate on the Interwebs.

 

[ACamp1900]

Who is the dentist?


Had this skeleton butler with a serving tray set up this weekend for a party. Put "Bernie" on a name tag and not a single person got it, tons didn't even know who Bernie Sanders is. Decrepit old ghoul giving out free crap, I thought it was obvious.

I have discussed politics with numerous people over the past six months who 'strongly favor' one candidate for whatever reason but have no clue who 75% the total field even are... it's all name recognition for many... Hillary wins.

 

[RDU Irish]

I disagree, most people aren't paying any attention. Nothing is being done that will still be held over their head six months from now.

But I agree, getting their stance on Fantasy Football is pretty important.

 

[GoIrish41]

I have discussed politics with numerous people over the past six months who 'strongly favor' one candidate for whatever reason but have no clue who 75% the total field even are... it's all name recognition for many... Hillary wins.

I could make a strong argument that it is also about party affiliation as well. The more the guys with the R after their names pull stunts like the protesting debates and threatening to shut down the government, the more they hurt their brand. When it comes to independents making a choice, that will matter.

Also does not help having an obnoxious, dim wit at the top of polls.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I have discussed politics with numerous people over the past six months who 'strongly favor' one candidate for whatever reason but have no clue who 75% the total field even are... it's all name recognition for many... Hillary wins.

A litmus test for me is whether or not a candidate acknowledges man made climate change (note: they don't have to agree with my preferences on how to or even whether to respond to it). If they don't, not only am I concerned that their plan is to ignore what is potentially going to be the greatest challenge of our time, but also that they're willing to put politics and belief over science. Using that test, I can eliminate all the major Republican candidates except for Bush, Fiorina, Christie, and Kasich (query how major any of them are at this point). If one of those four are nominated, I'll take a serious look at their platform, because like many others on this board I have issues with Hillary. But I'm not even going to pretend to consider a candidate who is going to reject the consensus opinion of the overwhelming majority of the scientific community.

 

[yankeehater]

A litmus test for me is whether or not a candidate acknowledges man made climate change (note: they don't have to agree with my preferences on how to or even whether to respond to it). If they don't, not only am I concerned that their plan is to ignore what is potentially going to be the greatest challenge of our time, but also that they're willing to put politics and belief over science. Using that test, I can eliminate all the major Republican candidates except for Bush, Fiorina, Christie, and Kasich (query how major any of them are at this point). If one of those four are nominated, I'll take a serious look at their platform, because like many others on this board I have issues with Hillary. But I'm not even going to pretend to consider a candidate who is going to reject the consensus opinion of the overwhelming majority of the scientific community.

May I politely ask how old you are? I always wonder how age and beliefs relate.

 

[yankeehater]

CNBC is not MSNBC.

They pretty much are.......Senior VP at CNBC and who was #2 overseeing debate and in attendance worked for Clinton administration and Al Gore.

His wife who is an NYC attorney just donated thousands to Hillary in June.

If someone can post the article, please post for me.

 

[yankeehater]

You think its too late for us to get your real estate developer, brain surgeon, dentist, or failed CEO?

So according to your thinking, being successful outside of the political arena is a problem or a reason someone should be eliminated from running for political office.

 

[IrishinSyria]

May I politely ask how old you are? I always wonder how age and beliefs relate.

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Santorum: UN climate head debunked widely cited 97% climate change consensus figure | PolitiFact

 

[GoIrish41]

So according to your thinking, being successful outside of the political arena is a problem or a reason someone should be eliminated from running for political office.

I was responding to a post that said Hillary has accomplished nothing in her career, which is absurd on its face. The suggestion that she is not qualified to be President is a little silly, given that she has much more experience than any of the people I alluded to in my post. I don't think any of those people should be "eliminated," I just don't think any of them have a shot to win the presidency. Moreover, before this year, I would not have thought that any of them could win the GOP nomination, but, I have come to believe that the GOP is in such chaos that I can't even speculate on what might happen in that race. Their best candidates have, to date, not done too well in the polls of Republican voters. I'd be happy if any of those four folks won the nomination and had to run against the Dems. I'd prefer that Dem to be Bernie, but that is a fairly long shot.

 

[kmoose]

Do you actually know anything about her? She has as many accomplishments as most of the Republican field.

She co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families in 1977, became the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation in 1978

The Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, or AACF, is a non-profit advocacy organization which encourages public policy in Arkansas that will benefit children and their families. Its mission statement is "to protect and promote through research, education and advocacy the rights and well-being of Arkansas children and their families, to assure that they have the opportunity to lead healthy and productive lives."[1]

Great......... she founded a lobbying company. Just what we need in Washington; another lobbyist.

was named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979.

Which probably was in no way, shape, or form influenced by her husband being the Attorney General of the State, and then Governor.....
And it's undoubtedly just coincidence that 3 Rose Law Firm partners went on to prominent positions in the Clinton White House; Webb Hubbell became Assistant Attorney General; Vince Foster became Deputy White House Counsel, and William H Kennedy III became Associate White House Counsel.

While First Lady of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981, and 1983 to 1992, she led a task force that reformed Arkansas' education system,

And yet, after 10 years of Hillary led reform, Arkansas schools in 1993 ranked 41st out of 50.

Do you actually know anything about her? She has as many accomplishments as most of the Republican field.

served on the board of directors of Wal-Mart, among other corporations.

This is probably the most noteworthy accomplishment, unless you cynically wonder if having the wife of the governor on the Board of Directors of the largest company HQ'd in the state doesn't stink of cronyism.

The National Law Journal listed her as one of the "100 Most Influential Lawyers in America".

Agent Scott Boras is constantly ranked as one of the most influential people in sports. That doesn't mean he isn't a parasitic, soulless scumbag.

Let's also not forget that, as First Lady of the United States, she was put in charge of Clinton's Universal Healthcare Initiative. And we all remember what a resounding success THAT was?

Also she served as a Senator for 8 years and as Secretary of State for 4.

You would be hard pressed to convince a majority of Americans that she earned these positions, thereby qualifying them as "accomplishments", rather than being placed into them by Democratic Party leaders that sold their souls to keep her from divorcing a philandering sitting President who also was embroiled in a real estate scandal(Whitewater).

So does she have any successful "accomplishments", or has she fvcked up everything that has been given to her in her life?

 

[IrishLax]

I'm going to have the hot take here that I think Hillary will continue to be a populist and do a pretty good job as President without changing much of the status quo. I don't understand why people want an ideologue with "convictions" as the President... I want a skilled politician that will try their best to 1) listen to the people 2) not do something really stupid 3) be able to deal with pressure.

I think Hillary is your typical soulless career politician that is "part of the problem"... but I think she'll also do a very decent job without doing anything stupid.

 

[kmoose]

I'm going to have the hot take here that I think Hillary will continue to be a populist and do a pretty good job as President without changing much of the status quo. I don't understand why people want an ideologue with "convictions" as the President... I want a skilled politician that will try their best to 1) listen to the people 2) not do something really stupid 3) be able to deal with pressure.

I think Hillary is your typical soulless career politician that is "part of the problem"... but I think she'll also do a very decent job without doing anything stupid.

Because she did such a good job the first time she ran the country for 8 years?

 

[ACamp1900]

What I really want to know, is there actually any real evidence of Clinton running that school newspaper back in college.............

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'm going to have the hot take here that I think Hillary will continue to be a populist and do a pretty good job as President without changing much of the status quo. I don't understand why people want an ideologue with "convictions" as the President... I want a skilled politician that will try their best to 1) listen to the people 2) not do something really stupid 3) be able to deal with pressure.

I think Hillary is your typical soulless career politician that is "part of the problem"... but I think she'll also do a very decent job without doing anything stupid.

Like creating a power vacuum in Libya? Or destabilizing Ukraine? She managed to accomplish both during her time as head of State. Would you consider going to war with Iran something stupid? Because I'm not sure how you can look at her foreign policy record and rule that out.

 

[pkt77242]

Great......... she founded a lobbying company. Just what we need in Washington; another lobbyist.



Which probably was in no way, shape, or form influenced by her husband being the Attorney General of the State, and then Governor.....
And it's undoubtedly just coincidence that 3 Rose Law Firm partners went on to prominent positions in the Clinton White House; Webb Hubbell became Assistant Attorney General; Vince Foster became Deputy White House Counsel, and William H Kennedy III became Associate White House Counsel.



And yet, after 10 years of Hillary led reform, Arkansas schools in 1993 ranked 41st out of 50.



This is probably the most noteworthy accomplishment, unless you cynically wonder if having the wife of the governor on the Board of Directors of the largest company HQ'd in the state doesn't stink of cronyism.



Agent Scott Boras is constantly ranked as one of the most influential people in sports. That doesn't mean he isn't a parasitic, soulless scumbag.

Let's also not forget that, as First Lady of the United States, she was put in charge of Clinton's Universal Healthcare Initiative. And we all remember what a resounding success THAT was?



You would be hard pressed to convince a majority of Americans that she earned these positions, thereby qualifying them as "accomplishments", rather than being placed into them by Democratic Party leaders that sold their souls to keep her from divorcing a philandering sitting President who also was embroiled in a real estate scandal(Whitewater).

So does she have any successful "accomplishments", or has she fvcked up everything that has been given to her in her life?

So what you are really saying is that a woman who went to Yale Law (and served as a Congressional legal counsel) could not possibly have deserved any of those things on her own merit? Really? She gets no credit at all?

ETA: Also you do realize that when Hilary started working on school reform, that Arkansas was pretty much dead last in the US, right? So while 41st might not be great, it sure as Hell beats 50th.

 

[bobbyok1]

Yeah no kidding. I despise the Clintons but to say she hasn't done anything is just ignorant. She is immensely qualified.

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If a lifetime of scheming, lying and stepping on the backs of others in public office roles is her "immense" qualification, then sorry but I disagree. You cannot simply throw out moral character and act as if that has no role in the being the President of the US. The role of President should be one held by someone first and foremost with character, and then the other experience and/or the ability to surround yourself with great leaders. Character affects decision making.

 

[RDU Irish]

Great......... she founded a lobbying company. Just what we need in Washington; another lobbyist.



Which probably was in no way, shape, or form influenced by her husband being the Attorney General of the State, and then Governor.....
And it's undoubtedly just coincidence that 3 Rose Law Firm partners went on to prominent positions in the Clinton White House; Webb Hubbell became Assistant Attorney General; Vince Foster became Deputy White House Counsel, and William H Kennedy III became Associate White House Counsel.



And yet, after 10 years of Hillary led reform, Arkansas schools in 1993 ranked 41st out of 50.



This is probably the most noteworthy accomplishment, unless you cynically wonder if having the wife of the governor on the Board of Directors of the largest company HQ'd in the state doesn't stink of cronyism.



Agent Scott Boras is constantly ranked as one of the most influential people in sports. That doesn't mean he isn't a parasitic, soulless scumbag.

Let's also not forget that, as First Lady of the United States, she was put in charge of Clinton's Universal Healthcare Initiative. And we all remember what a resounding success THAT was?



You would be hard pressed to convince a majority of Americans that she earned these positions, thereby qualifying them as "accomplishments", rather than being placed into them by Democratic Party leaders that sold their souls to keep her from divorcing a philandering sitting President who also was embroiled in a real estate scandal(Whitewater).

So does she have any successful "accomplishments", or has she fvcked up everything that has been given to her in her life?

Wow. Kudos to some concise sleuthing. How anyone defends that hag is beyond me.

The Browns have a lot of experience as a professional football team, doesn't mean they are any freaking good at it!

 

[kmoose]

So what you are really saying is that a woman who went to Yale Law (and served as a Congressional legal counsel) could not possibly have deserved any of those things on her own merit? Really? She gets no credit at all?

No. I'm saying that there's pretty good reason to believe that the only thing that HRC did to earn her political clout, is to marry a buffoon who happened to get elected President.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Great......... she founded a lobbying company. Just what we need in Washington; another lobbyist.



Which probably was in no way, shape, or form influenced by her husband being the Attorney General of the State, and then Governor.....
And it's undoubtedly just coincidence that 3 Rose Law Firm partners went on to prominent positions in the Clinton White House; Webb Hubbell became Assistant Attorney General; Vince Foster became Deputy White House Counsel, and William H Kennedy III became Associate White House Counsel.



And yet, after 10 years of Hillary led reform, Arkansas schools in 1993 ranked 41st out of 50.



This is probably the most noteworthy accomplishment, unless you cynically wonder if having the wife of the governor on the Board of Directors of the largest company HQ'd in the state doesn't stink of cronyism.



Agent Scott Boras is constantly ranked as one of the most influential people in sports. That doesn't mean he isn't a parasitic, soulless scumbag.

Let's also not forget that, as First Lady of the United States, she was put in charge of Clinton's Universal Healthcare Initiative. And we all remember what a resounding success THAT was?



You would be hard pressed to convince a majority of Americans that she earned these positions, thereby qualifying them as "accomplishments", rather than being placed into them by Democratic Party leaders that sold their souls to keep her from divorcing a philandering sitting President who also was embroiled in a real estate scandal(Whitewater).

So does she have any successful "accomplishments", or has she fvcked up everything that has been given to her in her life?

All of this is what I was alluding to: serving on a board, committees, and hell even becoming a Senator just tells me she's been riding her husband's coattails for decades. Change her last name and ask yourself if you're really impressed with her career.

Not to mention she's under investigation by the FBI. So, ya know, there's that thing too.

 

[Buster Bluth]

If a lifetime of scheming, lying and stepping on the backs of others in public office roles is her "immense" qualification, then sorry but I disagree. You cannot simply throw out moral character and act as if that has no role in the being the President of the US. The role of President should be one held by someone first and foremost with character, and then the other experience and/or the ability to surround yourself with great leaders. Character affects decision making.

Are you high? Moral character in Washington DC? Please.

When I say qualified, I mean someone who can do the job. People like Ben Carson or Mike Huckabee are not in any way qualified to be President. Love or hate the Clinton family, they are probably the most insider people in America--and that definitely make you qualified. I'm not saying she gets my vote, in fact I seriously doubt it unless Ted Cruz wins the GOP nomination, but she would step into the Oval Office on day one and know what she's doing the moment she gets there.

Not everyone can say that. Not every candidate has the experience the Clintons have. I find the "hanging on Bill's coattails" comments on here to be a little sexist really.

That said, I despise the Clintons. I think there are terrible human beings. I think they are corporate Republicans without the Fox News PR umbrella. Who signed NAFTA? The Clintons? Don't Ask Don't Tell? The Clintons. DOMA? The Clintons. Failed welfare reform, TANF? The Clintons.

The Clintons aren't pragmatic liberals, they're sellouts. That's different than being populists. Their triangulation strangulation is still holding liberals back and given our two party system their damage to the country is just unreal. Their is no alternative to corporate sellouts with the Clintons in the game. Fuck em.

 

[bobbyok1]

Are you high? Moral character in Washington DC? Please.

When I say qualified, I mean someone who can do the job. People like Ben Carson or Mike Huckabee are not in any way qualified to be President. Love or hate the Clinton family, they are probably the most insider people in America--and that definitely make you qualified. I'm not saying she gets my vote, in fact I seriously doubt it unless Ted Cruz wins the GOP nomination, but she would step into the Oval Office on day one and know what she's doing the moment she gets there.

Not everyone can say that. Not every candidate has the experience the Clintons have. I find the "hanging on Bill's coattails" comments on here to be a little sexist really.

That said, I despise the Clintons. I think there are terrible human beings. I think they are corporate Republicans without the Fox News PR umbrella. Who signed NAFTA? The Clintons? Don't Ask Don't Tell? The Clintons. DOMA? The Clintons. Failed welfare reform, TANF? The Clintons.

The Clintons aren't pragmatic liberals, they're sellouts. That's different than being populists. Their triangulation strangulation is still holding liberals back and given our two party system their damage to the country is just unreal. Their is no alternative to corporate sellouts with the Clintons in the game. Fuck em.

I get what you're saying Buster, really I do. I just have a different perspective on things. For one I do think there can be moral character in D.C. Is it trying to swim upstream with two people holding your legs back and another holding your head under water? Yeah, I think it is. I get that HRC is one of, if not the most schooled in politics as usual. But for me therein lies the problem. She is the most qualified to run a broken system, dishonest system that is getting us nowhere fast. Now, is it possible that someone like Carson, Huckabee or whoever else who attempts to do things the right way (or at least claims such a stance) could mess things up even faster than HRC? Sure it is, but I like many other Americans have had enough of the politics as usual and are willing to take a chance on a guy like Carson (who has my vote at this point and for some time) than to keep rolling with people like Clinton or Jeb Bush who are willing to gradually take the nation towards extreme liberalism or to pander to Big Business. To me that is simply throwing up your hands and giving up on any real character leader who will actually do what is best for the country. In my estimation this is what Ben Carson will do, for better or worse, and personally I am willing to give the guy a shot rather than play it safe on the gradual road to destruction.