2018 AP & Coaches Polls

[irishtrooper]

Same record, we own the head-to-head. Still gotta be us.

Maybe..... I’m still very upset about 1993 when ND beat Charlie Ward and FSU only to lose a heartbreaker to a (Glenn Foley/Tom Coughlin) very good BC team on a last second FG. I don’t like leaving things up to voters. FSU and ND both went on to win their bowl games and freaking FSU got the Natty! I still talk about this often and will never be convinced that ND didn’t get completely hosed!

 

[Irish Insanity]

Just enjoy the ride

 

[NDMIA]

Only 18 power 5 teams with 0-1 losses left which is pretty good for ND. Here are the Sagarin SOS Rankings, ESPN SOS Rankings, and the aggregate for the 5 undefeated teams in the country.

Number. Team - Sagarin SOS - ESPN SOS - Aggregate

1. Notre Dame - 34 - 25 - 29.5
2. Clemson - 45 - 43 - 44.0
3. Alabama - 58 - 58 - 58.0
4. Ohio State - 57 - 65 - 61.0
5. NC State - 64 - 74 - 69.0

Best 1 Loss Teams
6. LSU - 6 - 5 - 5.5
7. Texas - 12 - 10 - 11.0

Just gives an idea as to which teams have actually played a decent schedule thus far in the year. I do think the top 4 would be in that order for me right now but obviously the teams will change with their strength of schedule improving. Hats off to LSU for playing the schedule they have.

 

[calvegas04]

Only 18 power 5 teams with 0-1 losses left which is pretty good for ND. Here are the Sagarin SOS Rankings, ESPN SOS Rankings, and the aggregate for the 5 undefeated teams in the country.

Number. Team - Sagarin SOS - ESPN SOS - Aggregate

1. Notre Dame - 34 - 25 - 29.5
2. Clemson - 45 - 43 - 44.0
3. Alabama - 58 - 58 - 58.0
4. Ohio State - 57 - 65 - 61.0
5. NC State - 64 - 74 - 69.0

Best 1 Loss Teams
6. LSU - 6 - 5 - 5.5
7. Texas - 12 - 10 - 11.0

Just gives an idea as to which teams have actually played a decent schedule thus far in the year. I do think the top 4 would be in that order for me right now but obviously the teams will change with their strength of schedule improving. Hats off to LSU for playing the schedule they have.

LSU's tough schedule is starting to look not so tough as the season goes, same as ND's

 

[GowerND11]

UCF got hosed. Didn't move up in either pole. OK even jumped them during a bye...

What a joke

 

[BGIF]

UCF got hosed. Didn't move up in either pole. OK even jumped them during a bye...

How did they get hosed? They're vastly overrated.

Sagarin has them playing the 121st Toughest Schedule while there's only 129 Teams in the FBS.

Cognizant that they have a Charmin Schedule playing in the Charmin Conference you would think they wouldn't schedule teams like South Carolina State, a Div 1aa team from one of the weakest conferences in Div 1aa. SC State is ranked 222nd by Sagarin out of 255 ranked teams.

 

[Irish#1]

How did they get hosed? They're vastly overrated.

Sagarin has them playing the 121st Toughest Schedule while there's only 129 Teams in the FBS.

Cognizant that they have a Charmin Schedule playing in the Charmin Conference you would think they wouldn't schedule teams like South Carolina State, a Div 1aa team from one of the weakest conferences in Div 1aa. SC State is ranked 222nd by Sagarin out of 255 ranked teams.

Voters still want to be convinced before they move them up. Especially when they had to come from behind against Memphis.

 

[BabyIrish]

Only 18 power 5 teams with 0-1 losses left which is pretty good for ND. Here are the Sagarin SOS Rankings, ESPN SOS Rankings, and the aggregate for the 5 undefeated teams in the country.

Number. Team - Sagarin SOS - ESPN SOS - Aggregate

1. Notre Dame - 34 - 25 - 29.5
2. Clemson - 45 - 43 - 44.0
3. Alabama - 58 - 58 - 58.0
4. Ohio State - 57 - 65 - 61.0
5. NC State - 64 - 74 - 69.0

Best 1 Loss Teams
6. LSU - 6 - 5 - 5.5
7. Texas - 12 - 10 - 11.0

Just gives an idea as to which teams have actually played a decent schedule thus far in the year. I do think the top 4 would be in that order for me right now but obviously the teams will change with their strength of schedule improving. Hats off to LSU for playing the schedule they have.

What’s Georgia’s SOS, asking for Tim Tebow

 

[Legacy]

Chaos Theory

Chaos Theory

It's fun to speculate so here goes.

LSU has been our friend both in losing to Florida and trouncing Georgia. The Florida loss keeps them outside of the top four. Speculating - LSU wins out, beating Alabama. Florida beats Georgia. LSU v Florida in the SEC championship. Florida wins the championship game.

Michigan wins out, beating Ohio State. Only loss is to ND.

Oregon wins out and wins the Pac-12 championship game against a weak South champion and is 12-1. Say the South champion is USC, who ND beats by a touchdown. Oregon beats USC by two touchdowns, but has lost to Stanford.

Clemson loses to NC State, but wins the ACC championship.

Texas' toughest remaining games are W.Va and Iowa State.
ND's toughest remaining games is USC.
Both win out.

ND is undefeated. Everyone else has one loss including Alabama (who did not play in the championship game).

Who goes to the Playoff besides ND?

 

[NDRock]

It's fun to speculate so here goes.

LSU has been our friend both in losing to Florida and trouncing Georgia. The Florida loss keeps them outside of the top four. Speculating - LSU wins out, beating Alabama. Florida beats Georgia. LSU v Florida in the SEC championship. Florida wins the championship game.

Michigan wins out, beating Ohio State. Only loss is to ND.

Oregon wins out and wins the Pac-12 championship game against a weak South champion and is 12-1. Say the South champion is USC, who ND beats by a touchdown. Oregon beats USC by two touchdowns, but has lost to Stanford.

Clemson loses to NC State, but wins the ACC championship.

Texas' toughest remaining games are W.Va and Iowa State.
ND's toughest remaining games is USC.
Both win out.

ND is undefeated. Everyone else has one loss including Alabama (who did not play in the championship game).

Who goes to the Playoff besides ND?

Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame, then it comes down to who has looked better down the stretch between Oregon/Texas. Clemson won't have the SOS and would be left out.

 

[wizards8507]

It's fun to speculate so here goes.

LSU has been our friend both in losing to Florida and trouncing Georgia. The Florida loss keeps them outside of the top four. Speculating - LSU wins out, beating Alabama. Florida beats Georgia. LSU v Florida in the SEC championship. Florida wins the championship game.

Michigan wins out, beating Ohio State. Only loss is to ND.

Oregon wins out and wins the Pac-12 championship game against a weak South champion and is 12-1. Say the South champion is USC, who ND beats by a touchdown. Oregon beats USC by two touchdowns, but has lost to Stanford.

Clemson loses to NC State, but wins the ACC championship.

Texas' toughest remaining games are W.Va and Iowa State.
ND's toughest remaining games is USC.
Both win out.

ND is undefeated. Everyone else has one loss including Alabama (who did not play in the championship game).

Who goes to the Playoff besides ND?

I love college football.

 

[Son of Kenmare]

It's fun to speculate so here goes.

LSU has been our friend both in losing to Florida and trouncing Georgia. The Florida loss keeps them outside of the top four. Speculating - LSU wins out, beating Alabama. Florida beats Georgia. LSU v Florida in the SEC championship. Florida wins the championship game.

Michigan wins out, beating Ohio State. Only loss is to ND.

Oregon wins out and wins the Pac-12 championship game against a weak South champion and is 12-1. Say the South champion is USC, who ND beats by a touchdown. Oregon beats USC by two touchdowns, but has lost to Stanford.

Clemson loses to NC State, but wins the ACC championship.

Texas' toughest remaining games are W.Va and Iowa State.
ND's toughest remaining games is USC.
Both win out.

ND is undefeated. Everyone else has one loss including Alabama (who did not play in the championship game).

Who goes to the Playoff besides ND?

How can ND lose to USC and be undefeated? There's chaos in your Chaos Theory.

 

[zelezo vlk]

How can ND lose to USC and be undefeated? There's chaos in your Chaos Theory.

He says that ND beats SC by a touchdown, not the other way around.

ND is #1 and has a very legit shot of winning the title if that played out.

 

[NDMIA]

Here is the eliminator of sorts with all of the 1 loss or better power 5 teams in football. There are 18 that remain and there are some pretty interesting revelations to look at based on strength of schedule and strength of record for these teams.

Number. Team - Sagarin SOS - ESPN SOS - Aggregate - ESPN SOR
UNDEFEATED
1. Notre Dame - 34 - 25 - 29.5 - 2
2. Clemson - 45 - 43 - 44.0 - 4
3. Alabama - 58 - 58 - 58.0 - 5
4. Ohio State - 57 - 65 - 61.0 - 1
5. NC State - 64 - 74 - 69.0 - 11
1-LOSS
6. LSU - 6 - 5 - 5.5 - 3
7. Texas - 12 - 10 - 11.0 - 7
8. Kentucky - 18 - 20 - 19.0 - 6
9. Oklahoma - 24 - 29 - 26.5 - 16
10. Iowa - 26 - 28 - 27.0 - 18
11. Michigan - 31 - 24 - 27.5 - 8
12. Florida - 28 - 31 - 29.5 - 9
13. Georgia - 40 - 35 - 37.5 - 10
14. West Virginia - 42 - 48 - 45.0 - 17
15. Washington State - 80 - 86 - 83.0 - 26
16. Oregon - 111 - 87 - 99.0 - 23
NOT RANKED
17. Duke
18. Colorado

First off, Georgia should be bumped way down the rankings for their loss. They haven't played a better than .500 ball club before this weekend the entire year. Let that sink in, Georgia hasn't played a good football team this entire season and the first time they do they get trounced. To put that in perspective, ND has played 3 teams already above .500 this season with more on the way. In an ideal scenario, ND's opponents can continue to win to boost their strength of schedule and they can potentially be safe with 0 or 1 loss. However, with 1 loss, ND will have to count on probably 15 out of the remaining 18 teams to finish with 2 losses or more to have a shot to sneak in which would be difficult to see happening.

 

[IrishLax]

Put me down for the ND/UCF/Colorado/NC State chaos final four.

 

[wizards8507]

Put me down for the ND/UCF/Colorado/NC State chaos final four.

Come on man, ESPN needs the money.

Alabama
Notre Dame
Michigan
Texas

Texas beats Bama.

 

[ACamp1900]

Come on man, ESPN needs the money.

Alabama
Notre Dame
Michigan
Texas

Texas beats Bama.

So Texas stomping Meatchicken in the natty???

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Come on man, ESPN needs the money.

Alabama
Notre Dame
Michigan
Texas

Texas beats Bama.

"Does it look like we need the money?"

 

[Fbolt]

I'm sure it's been mentioned: With Ws over Ga Southern and Furman, Clemson's SOS will keep them in front of the Irish all season.

...Worried...

 

[Irish#1]

Put me down for the ND/UCF/Colorado/NC State chaos final four.

Talk about the talking heads!

Like it or not, given their track record, if Bama loses once they are still in the final four.

 

[GATTACA!]

"Does it look like we need the money?"

Doesn't look like anything to me.

 

[Legacy]

Talk about the talking heads!

Like it or not, given their track record, if Bama loses once they are still in the final four.

ND, SEC Champ, Bama and who else? If ND loses once and Stanford and Michigan become conference champions, the Irish are still out. With an undefeated ND and two SEC teams, one spot is left for the conference champions of four Power 5 conferences.

 

[Legacy93]

ND, SEC Champ, Bama and who else? If ND loses once and Stanford and Michigan become conference champions, the Irish are out.

Nevermind. I misread. Carry on.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Nevermind. I misread. Carry on.

If Bama wins the SEC, I don't think 2 SEC teams will make playoffs. The runner up will have 2 losses. Most likely scenario will be Bama, ND, the B10 champ, and B12 champ. Don't think the ACC or PAC12 are good enough this year to get a team in. I think if Bama wins the SEC, that helps ND with a loss. The loser of all conference championship games would most likely have 2 losses. The kicker would be if tOSU beats scUM during the season and is undefeated going into the championship game but then loses to Michigan. Michigan will have 2 losses but will be a conference champion. I could see both teams getting in over ND.

Does a 2 loss conference champ get in over a 1 loss ND?

 

[Irish YJ]

If Bama wins the SEC, I don't think 2 SEC teams will make playoffs. The runner up will have 2 losses. Most likely scenario will be Bama, ND, the B10 champ, and B12 champ. Don't think the ACC or PAC12 are good enough this year to get a team in. I think if Bama wins the SEC, that helps ND with a loss. The loser of all conference championship games would most likely have 2 losses. The kicker would be if tOSU beats scUM during the season and is undefeated going into the championship game but then loses to Michigan. Michigan will have 2 losses but will be a conference champion. I could see both teams getting in over ND.

Does a 2 loss conference champ get in over a 1 loss ND?

Agree with most of it, except the ACC part. I don't see Clemson losing. I'd love it if they did, but if they get past NC State this weekend, it's clear sailing for them (unless you think FSU will beat them), until the CC. Maybe VT or Miami can beat them in the CC, but that's a long shot.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

If Bama wins the SEC, I don't think 2 SEC teams will make playoffs. The runner up will have 2 losses. Most likely scenario will be Bama, ND, the B10 champ, and B12 champ. Don't think the ACC or PAC12 are good enough this year to get a team in. I think if Bama wins the SEC, that helps ND with a loss. The loser of all conference championship games would most likely have 2 losses. The kicker would be if tOSU beats scUM during the season and is undefeated going into the championship game but then loses to Michigan. Michigan will have 2 losses but will be a conference champion. I could see both teams getting in over ND.



Does a 2 loss conference champ get in over a 1 loss ND?

Eeeerrrrrrr...Michigan and OSU play in the same division of the BIG10, so they would not meet in the conference championship game.


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[Legacy]

If Bama wins the SEC, I don't think 2 SEC teams will make playoffs. The runner up will have 2 losses. Most likely scenario will be Bama, ND, the B10 champ, and B12 champ. Don't think the ACC or PAC12 are good enough this year to get a team in. I think if Bama wins the SEC, that helps ND with a loss. The loser of all conference championship games would most likely have 2 losses. The kicker would be if tOSU beats scUM during the season and is undefeated going into the championship game but then loses to Michigan. Michigan will have 2 losses but will be a conference champion. I could see both teams getting in over ND.

Does a 2 loss conference champ get in over a 1 loss ND?

Chalk is Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and ND go undefeated. Not likely. In the four years of the Playoff, the first three years saw only one undefeated team and last year each of the four had one loss. No two loss team has ever gotten into the Playoff. ND with one loss is out of the Playoff.

As last year proved, Alabama with one loss in the regular season and that does not go the Championship will still get in. Only if there are multiple undefeated teams leaving one or two spots left will the possibility of not including Alabama rear its head.

Say ND, Clemson, Ohio State win out. Bama loses a game. The SEC conference champ is a one loss LSU who beat Bama in the regular season or a one loss East champion who beat Bama in the championship. Who is your fourth team?

Clemson-NC State (both undefeated) and Oregon-Washington St (two of the three one loss teams in the Pac12) are this weekend's knockout games. Duke has one loss in the ACC and Colorado has one loss in the Pac12, but both have slim chances to remain so.

 

[Rack Em]

Here's an interesting article about ND possibly being ranked #1 when the initial CFP poll comes out.

Notre Dame No. 1? LSU over OSU? Five questions Playoff committee must confront soon | NCAA Football | Sporting News

 

[NDRock]

Chalk is Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and ND go undefeated. Not likely. In the four years of the Playoff, the first three years saw only one undefeated team and last year each of the four had one loss. No two loss team has ever gotten into the Playoff. ND with one loss is out of the Playoff.

As last year proved, Alabama with one loss in the regular season and that does not go the Championship will still get in. Only if there are multiple undefeated teams leaving one or two spots left will the possibility of not including Alabama rear its head.

Say ND, Clemson, Ohio State win out. Bama loses a game.The SEC conference champ is a one loss LSU who beat Bama in the regular season or a one loss East champion who beat Bama in the championship. Who is your fourth team?

Clemson-NC State (both undefeated) and Oregon-Washington St (two of the three one loss teams in the Pac12) are this weekend's knockout games. Duke has one loss in the ACC and Colorado has one loss in the Pac12, but both have slim chances to remain so.

It would have to be the SEC Champ

 

[RDU Irish]

Chalk is Bama, Ohio State, Clemson and ND go undefeated. Not likely. In the four years of the Playoff, the first three years saw only one undefeated team and last year each of the four had one loss. No two loss team has ever gotten into the Playoff. ND with one loss is out of the Playoff.

As last year proved, Alabama with one loss in the regular season and that does not go the Championship will still get in. Only if there are multiple undefeated teams leaving one or two spots left will the possibility of not including Alabama rear its head.

Say ND, Clemson, Ohio State win out. Bama loses a game. The SEC conference champ is a one loss LSU who beat Bama in the regular season or a one loss East champion who beat Bama in the championship. Who is your fourth team?

Clemson-NC State (both undefeated) and Oregon-Washington St (two of the three one loss teams in the Pac12) are this weekend's knockout games. Duke has one loss in the ACC and Colorado has one loss in the Pac12, but both have slim chances to remain so.

Last year only proved that Bama gets in over a 3 loss ND. We can't know if a 1 loss ND would have gotten in. Wisconsin was in until they lost to OSU who messed up by scheduling Oklahoma and getting housed at home. USC - two loss champ bit in the ass by an OOC loss. Two teams punished for scheduling legit OOC games.

Bama was a beneficiary of a lack of one loss teams and not having played any of the clear top three. To pretend a one loss ND (or anybody) was getting pinched by Bama last year is just ignoring the circumstances of last year and pretending they jumped a bevy of one loss teams. With nobody else earning that fourth spot - I would have put in UCF and let the other three teams prove UCF doesn't belong.