2018-2019 Notre Dame Men's Basketball

[SaltyND24]

Forget talking about DJ...let's talk about TJ...or have we already touched on how much he has regressed from a year ago

 

[RDU Irish]

Played hard. Obvious flaws are still obvious.

One side note, this is an FSU team that committed 31 fouls in a game vs Pitt earlier in the year. A team ranking 297th in the country in fouls per game at 20.

14 fouls were called on FSU. I'm going to emphasize the "were called" part.

Not to mention all of the fouls called on ND defenders (who foul at about the lowest margin in the country) when FSU players drove into them hard. One on Durham stood out but quite a few other FSU offensive fouls that ended up fouls called on ND defenders. Then the fiasco on the replay near the end where it obviously hit the rim and was out on FSU, not Mooney. After review they got both wrong? WTF guys.

ACC officiating is consistently bad across the conference - which should be embarrassing for the #1 basketball conference.

 

[RDU Irish]

You think DJ and VJ were equally talented and experienced coming out of high school? Do you know much about New Haven (FW) IN? Lol.

(also, the OP is the one that suggested they were equally talented high school players...I'm the pointing out, unequivocally, DJ is the superior talent).

VJ Beachem for three:
12 of 30 as Freshman (26.2%)
24 of 44 as Sophomore (41.6%)
71 of 136 as Junior (44.4%)
100 of 202 as Senior (36.1%)

And career 50.2% from 2pt, 73.6% from charity stripe. Great compliment but faded as a primary senior year, IMO.

DJ has makings to be a primary threat with his ability to create off the dribble- really hoped he would blossom with a high workload by necessity this year. Instead - the guy 39.7% from the field after being 39.0% last year. Three point 30.4% versus 33.3% last year. For a guy that can get open jumpers he hits them at an alarmingly low rate. That is the story of the entire team though, elite shooting from the free throw line as a team and doggie doo doo from the field. They are not bad shooters, they just collectively shoot horribly all season. TJ and DJ leading the way with that inability to rise to the occasion and find that fire down the stretch whereas guys like Jerian, Steve and Pat would will the team to victory - and not just when they were seniors.

 

[Henges24]

VJ Beachem for three:
12 of 30 as Freshman (26.2%)
24 of 44 as Sophomore (41.6%)
71 of 136 as Junior (44.4%)
100 of 202 as Senior (36.1%)

I'm no math wizard but something is telling me that these calculations are off...

 

[Ndaccountant]

Forget talking about DJ...let's talk about TJ...or have we already touched on how much he has regressed from a year ago

apples and oranges IMO. Losing Matty has much to do with it. There is no primary threat on ND's team to score at the moment and their team flow isn't there it. It will come in time IMO, but I think pointing at finger at Gibbs is missing the forest through the trees.

 

[Woneone]

Here's the thing...

Why bother comparing two unlike players. while attempting to project their "career".

Why not compare DJ Harvey to DJ Jackson while we're at it. Both were similarly "good recruits."

Why not compare to Carleton Scott? Why was VJ even brought up? I'm not the only one that noticed this absurdity (Crazy Balki as well).

Dude, you shift the argument constantly. You did it earlier in the thread, and you keep moving the target.

Literally go read my statements, and then what you quote. You LITERALLY said that I was writing him off after I said he wouldn't reach his ceiling, even after I complimented him on what his ceiling "could" be. This is a forum, there are receipts.

I brought up a Notre Dame player who also didn't reach his ceiling, but turned out to be a rather successful player.

Now, it's not about that, it's about the comparison of the players themselves and their specific skill sets.

Here was the point - I said he won't reach his ceiling, and thought he'd be a good role player moving forward. You suggested I wrote him off. I gave an example of a player who I don't believe reached his ceiling, even after 4 years (again, a comment you made about only 1 year in Brey's offense). You then pivoted to comparing the skill sets of the individual players. But because their roles aren't exactly the same, somehow that validates the initial "Write-off" comment?

Edit: I mean, it's literally in the posts. Here is what I said, among other things, about Harvey:

You cite his knee. His inability to defend (even in zone), willingness to rebound, and being behind some of the freshman in knowing how to play on a team isn't because he hurt his knee. As Noie and the guys on II said, he's been the same player since the age of 15 (I honestly have no idea how accurate that is, but with two sources saying the same thing, I tend to believe it).

Harvey being able to create his own won't be what holds him back. It's the mental aspect. Which, in the quote you referenced, is probably why Brey sat him for the first 6 minutes after half, and he played his second lowest minute total (second to the BC game, when he equally awful and played only 21).

Great would probably be too strong a word for me at this point, I'd have to see a few more games where he looks engaged like the GT game, but at worst he would give us that guy who can create his own late in the clock, which this team just doesn't have.

You responded to this by saying I was writing him off. And now, we're at comparing the offensive skill sets to VJ Beachem. You're right, you can use this comparison for Carlton Scott, or Demetrius Jackson, or Scott Martin, or whomever else you feel inclined to make it for. The point was that not all players reach their potential. Not whether they're a slasher or a shooter. I mean, I literally agreed with Crazy Balki's assessment that they aren't the same player, but you ignored that, again, and continued down the comparison lane.

I am more than happy to be wrong about DJ. I honestly hope I am. I hope he averages 18-6-4 and makes all ACC. But not thinking he'll reach that level isn't some indictment on him as a player, the program, or the coaching.

 

[fightingirish26]

You think DJ and VJ were equally talented and experienced coming out of high school? Do you know much about New Haven (FW) IN? Lol.

(also, the OP is the one that suggested they were equally talented high school players...I'm the pointing out, unequivocally, DJ is the superior talent).

I'm not comparing them as players but using someone's high school as the lone criteria for talent is absurd. Don't throw 'experience' in there after the fact.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

As bad as we are on offense I think this has to be one of the best defensive years we have had in as many years I can remember. And we don’t even have Rex out there who is our best defender.

If our offense could pick up next year then we could have a good year

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

As bad as we are on offense I think this has to be one of the best defensive years we have had in as many years I can remember. And we don’t even have Rex out there who is our best defender.

If our offense could pick up next year then we could have a good year

Rebounding definitely needs some work (will come with John another year older, and Durham and Nate getting stronger, hopefully). Rex is a great rebounder for his size too.

Zone rotation, perimeter D is nice.

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[NDGOLDEN]

Rebounding definitely needs some work (will come with John another year older, and Durham and Nate getting stronger, hopefully). Rex is a great rebounder for his size too.

Zone rotation, perimeter D is nice.

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Plus Carmody getting stronger. And yes the rebounding needs to get better but if can stop teams from getting second chances we could be winning some of the games that we lost by single digits

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Most freshman mins under brey ever. They are definitely getting some experience that’s for sure

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

DJ clearly looking frustrated out there. Couple easy misses and a really bad pass on a 3-1 break.

He's next years biggest wildcard. If he can play confident, loose, and have some fun, we could explode next year. Prime brey junior breakout candidate.

He just looks way too tense, critical, and frustrated.

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[NDGOLDEN]

DJ clearly looking frustrated out there. Couple easy misses and a really bad pass on a 3-1 break.

He's next years biggest wildcard. If he can play confident, loose, and have some fun, we could explode next year. Prime brey junior breakout candidate.

He just looks way too tense, critical, and frustrated.

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I was literally just going to say this exact thing. If he can breakout like he was supposed to his freshman year then next year could easily be a really good year.

Also is it me or does it seem like on offense we are selfish and we don’t pass a lot. Like it seems like we don’t pick and roll at all. We pass and then let one guy go to work it seems like

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This has been our worst rebounding game yet... Missed 3, deep rebound, guards running away from the ball, letting Louisville scoop it up.

The guards have to put in some more effort moving forward. This is another example of where Rex is a huge miss. Need that board scrappiness.

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[FightingIrishLover7]

Brey has Doherty in. Clearly not happy with the teams rebounding efforts.

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[NDGOLDEN]

So djogo out rest of year and just reported that Harvey is out tonight

 

[ab2cmiller]

We rank 342nd out of 351 teams for field goal percentage at 38.9%

 

[NDGOLDEN]

We rank 342nd out of 351 teams for field goal percentage at 38.9%

That is extremely impressive

 

[RDU Irish]

The most concerning thing about this team to me is the complete lack of any testicles in crunch time - everyone fades and makes poor decisions. Laz, Hubb and Gibbs combine for 3 of 19 from three - and one of those makes was a bank shot from top of the key prayer. I mean how are they that f-ing bad back there night in and night out? Rex Pflueger currently has the highest three point percentage on the team at 38.9% ahead of Mooney 37.8%. Team shooting 31.7% but it feels more like 25%. Hubb and Harvey below 30%. Gibbs at 32.1% - granted half of those are taken from his imaginary four point line. If the team is going to shoot half their shots from behind the arc - those guys especially need to be reliably over 33% to not suck - 35% to think about sniffing the NCAAs and a couple of guys at a 40% clip to be dangerous. Otherwise WTF are we doing chucking up half our shots from beyond the arc? Oh, that's right - Mooney can't beat triple teams and nobody else knows how to operate inside the arc.

Gibbs should be trending to 40% - he hit that mark last year. His FTs are down to 77% from shy of 84% last season. Not just percentage but situationally he has regressed substantially. The mental toughness aspect does not give me much faith.

The most amazing thing to me - we are somehow in these games despite consistently poor shooting and usually badly out rebounded. Doesn't take a ton of offensive improvement to get us over the hump next year - just hard to imagine when literally nobody has stepped up this year in crunch time to make a big shot.

Young Rex type roll players - where are you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eIEdYHlXnY

 

[ab2cmiller]

We are a bad shooting team period. We are a young team. The combination pretty much guarantees that we will shrink in crunch time.

It seems like the broadcasters from a week or two ago were talking about how they observed practice/shoot around and it was obvious to him that we are not a good shooting team. So it's not even that we aren't able to perform "when the lights go on". It's that we are lacking shooters.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Young Rex type roll players - where are you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eIEdYHlXnY

Rex was able to be a young role player, because he was playing with upper classmen / vets, same withe Vasturia type of players Brey has had in the past.

Brey's teams have won in crunch time, because of leadership and composure. We have none of that right now.This team has a losing mentality, has already given up (imo) and has their eyes set on 2019/2020 season.

I think it is 100% possible that a "fresh start" is all that is need to jump start next season. Strength and conditioning will be HUGE for us this off-season, having all the guys back (not too mention guys like DJ and Prentiss who couldn't play basketball until Oct). Rex will be returning and will be hungry as crap. Also, Rex will gladly take on the role as the "vocal leader", which should allow TJ to be a "backup leader" (behind Rex and John), I think TJ needs to play under the radar to keep his mind clear... He's clearly fights to do too much.

Overall, saw all of this coming (even before Rex, Elijah, and Robby). So, nothing surprised me this season. Wanted to squeak out a couple of close wins. At least we managed to keep almost all our scores close, even with our legendarily bad shooting percentages. That's (sort of) encouraging, I suppose?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Check out @tnoieNDI’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/tnoieNDI/status/1104405712350920706?s=09

Keep it classy, Tom.

It's one thing to be frustrated. It's another thing to be an ass all season. The funny thing is, he knew it was going to be a down year too. And (should) know the importance of losing the guys we did. Plenty of other reporters have voiced frustration in more professional ways. He's being a child.

Dudes bank acct must be hurting.

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[arrowryan]

Tom Noie is easily the worst out of all Notre Dame sports writers. He has surpassed Al Lesar, which I thought that would never happen. He's been unbearable all season.

But he officially went from ok to unreadable during ND Insiders 2018 football preview magazine. They asked 4-5 ND beat writers to predict the season. For the bowl prediction, while the other guys gave genuine answers, his smart ass said "does it really matter if they don't make the playoffs?". I didn't pay $10 so you could half ass your job. I wouldn't mind if the tribune canned him.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yeah, something is clearly going on here. He's turned from edgy to a major prick.

No way the tribune is ok with this, can't see it. Unless they're turning that big of a blind eye.

It almost looks like he's trying to get laid off. Looks like he wants out.

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[JD Irish]

Yup, it's Tom Noie's fault that ND basketball is unwatchable this year.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yup, it's Tom Noie's fault that ND basketball is unwatchable this year.

.... Are you Tom? Lol.

I literally said that it's ok to be frustrated, but he's been unprofessional and childish. A very bad look for a "professional".

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[FightingIrishLover7]

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[arrowryan]

Yup, it's Tom Noie's fault that ND basketball is unwatchable this year.

This has nothing to do with it. He gets paid for writing articles about sports; literally one of the least stressful jobs on the planet. He has been an asshole the entire season. You can tell in his article titles and in his tweets. This is has nothing to do with the team's success/failures. With the way he writes, you'd think he has the worst job ever.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Check out @tnoieNDI’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/tnoieNDI/status/1104405712350920706?s=09

Keep it classy, Tom.

It's one thing to be frustrated. It's another thing to be an ass all season. The funny thing is, he knew it was going to be a down year too. And (should) know the importance of losing the guys we did. Plenty of other reporters have voiced frustration in more professional ways. He's being a child.

Dudes bank acct must be hurting.

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I unfollowed him too. What an ass he is. I use to like him and following what he says but god like how negative can you be.

His tweet about Gibbs being terrible this year like a month was such an asshole thing to tweet out.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Also this game is for last place. Who ever losses gets last place in the league.