2017 NFL Draft

[Bogtrotter07]

Thinking about it for a while, as I really don't follow the NFL, Damien Mama and Elijah Hood were the most striking examples of mystifying loss to me.

I thought Hood really had a lot on the ball when he was a ND recruit. I wonder if he still is being run by, er, or is still with the same girlfriend?

Damien Mama seemed to be a real thoughtful, respectful kid. I really remember wishing ND would have gotten him. Since then, I sure haven't seen much. Who would have told this kid to get out two years early? Or was it grades?

 

[Rogue219]

Jim Harbaugh did some good for a lot of Brady Hoke recruits.

A lot of kids seemed to get bad advice based on that list. Or they'd gotten to the point where they weren't going to be eligible and had no choice but to declare.

 

[dublinirish]

two local kids from where i live signed as UDFA's
Kenny Allen K/P (Michigan) to the Ravens
Mitch Shegos WR (Notre Dame College) to the Brownies

Pretty cool to see

 

[irishfan]

Austin Carr from Northwestern to the Pats as an undrafted free agent seems too obvious. Led the B1G in every receiving category. And yes, he obviously is a white former walk-on.

 

[Blaise]

did Folston sign a UDFA deal?...

 

[Henges24]

two local kids from where i live signed as UDFA's
Kenny Allen K/P (Michigan) to the Ravens
Mitch Shegos WR (Notre Dame College) to the Brownies

Pretty cool to see

Kenny Allen is dating a girl from my hometown.

I guess that's worth posting....

 

[dublinirish]

did Folston sign a UDFA deal?...

OTHERS

• Running back Tarean Folston, who elected to enter the NFL Draft with one season of college eligibility remaining, was not selected in the seven-round draft, nor was he added as an undrafted free agent as of Sunday afternoon.

According to Eric Galko of the Sporting News, Folston was one of 104 players to declare early for the NFL. Sixty-five of those players were drafted in the first five rounds, while 28 went undrafted.

• Safety Avery Sebastian and tight end Chase Hounshell — who spent his final season of college eligibility last season at Ohio State — were not selected, nor have they signed as undrafted free agents or received a tryout with a team.

will probably get a weekend tryout invite somewhere soon

 

[Rogue219]

Fun fact that I think I heard correctly. Steelers don't trade draft picks. Ever. Like, ever. Always take their 7 picks. Never more. Never less. Never move up or down. Just take the best guy possible when it's their turn. They don't fall in love and overspend. They aren't always correct, but they also don't mortgage the future ever. Stable organization with an eye towards steady progress. And that's how you eventually win championships.

 

[irishfan]

Fun fact that I think I heard correctly. Steelers don't trade draft picks. Ever. Like, ever. Always take their 7 picks. Never more. Never less. Never move up or down. Just take the best guy possible when it's their turn. They don't fall in love and overspend. They aren't always correct, but they also don't mortgage the future ever. Stable organization with an eye towards steady progress. And that's how you eventually win championships.

And then you have Belichick who does the complete opposite.

 

[GATTACA!]

Fun fact that I think I heard correctly. Steelers don't trade draft picks. Ever. Like, ever. Always take their 7 picks. Never more. Never less. Never move up or down. Just take the best guy possible when it's their turn. They don't fall in love and overspend. They aren't always correct, but they also don't mortgage the future ever. Stable organization with an eye towards steady progress. And that's how you eventually win championships.

They traded us one for Justin Gilbert lmao.

 

[ACamp1900]

Browns have turned Carson Wentz into 9 picks - is that genius or insanity? Doug Lesmerises | cleveland.com

2 things:

-Wentz will be better in Philly than he would have been in Cleveland, better situation at the time.
-I still don't like him as the long term answer even in Philly.

I love that trade last year more and more as a Browns fan.

Also, Coleman should be included in the players/ picks involved here imo.

 

[Rogue219]

They traded us one for Justin Gilbert lmao.

I couldn't think of many examples, so I wasn't sure if it was 100% accurate. To my recollection, they don't make a lot of waves and have been solid over the years.

 

[Rogue219]

And then you have Belichick who does the complete opposite.

They had four this past weekend. Two OL and two DE (one is a 3-4 OLB, really).

I expect the two OL to start one day because Dante Scarnecchia develops mid and late round guys.

Seattle is a little wacky too. They had no first round picks but several in the third round.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Fun fact that I think I heard correctly. Steelers don't trade draft picks. Ever. Like, ever. Always take their 7 picks. Never more. Never less. Never move up or down. Just take the best guy possible when it's their turn. They don't fall in love and overspend. They aren't always correct, but they also don't mortgage the future ever. Stable organization with an eye towards steady progress. And that's how you eventually win championships.

Yes, the old adage "slow and steady wins the race" sometimes works. Rarely in such a competitive arena where everyone is sprinting year round to gain a competitive advantage. I'll take the teams that stockpile picks.

I would suggest the Steelers have a great blue print for 2nd-4th in the AFC year after year, maybe getting lucky on occasion. If that's what you are after then you should be pleased.

 

[NorthDakota]

Yes, the old adage "slow and steady wins the race" sometimes works. Rarely in such a competitive arena where everyone is sprinting year round to gain a competitive advantage. I'll take the teams that stockpile picks.

I would suggest the Steelers have a great blue print for 2nd-4th in the AFC year after year, maybe getting lucky on occasion. If that's what you are after then you should be pleased.

It looks like the Steelers have a great blueprint to win...a lot.... that's kinda what they do.

 

[Rogue219]

I would suggest the Steelers have a great blue print for 2nd-4th in the AFC year after year, maybe getting lucky on occasion. If that's what you are after then you should be pleased.

I think you have a couple of Bears fans on this board who'd roll with this right now. That'd be my guess anyway.

 

[NDdomer2]

The steady as she goes model requires hitting on a sure fire QB every 10 years or so

 

[ACamp1900]

How have Browns, Titans done on Wentz/Goff deals? - NFL.com

I like this one better as it includes Coleman...

they are very high on the Browns stock in that room, though I too think a 7-8 win season is not some fantasy...

 

[InKellyITrust]

Browns have turned Carson Wentz into 9 picks - is that genius or insanity? Doug Lesmerises | cleveland.com

2 things:

-Wentz will be better in Philly than he would have been in Cleveland, better situation at the time.
-I still don't like him as the long term answer even in Philly.

I love that trade last year more and more as a Browns fan.

Also, Coleman should be included in the players/ picks involved here imo.

I'm a Redskins fan and my wife is a Cowboys fan, so I watch a lot of NFC East football. I completely agree with your stance on Wentz. I went to the draft on Saturday for Day 3. I don't understand why their fan base and national media are so sold on Wentz. I just didn't see it from him last year that he's the savior of the franchise as he's been penned to this point. I'm sure that he'll be a good player and improve over time, but that's about it.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm a Redskins fan and my wife is a Cowboys fan, so I watch a lot of NFC East football. I completely agree with your stance on Wentz. I went to the draft on Saturday for Day 3. I don't understand why their fan base and national media are so sold on Wentz. I just didn't see it from him last year that he's the savior of the franchise as he's been penned to this point. I'm sure that he'll be a good player and improve over time, but that's about it.

I think most people look at it from a more casual perspective, and just assume that Wentz will follow the traditional "curve" where he will improve dramatically from a rookie year where he was okay.

If a guy plays as a rookie and does okay, you can expect a pretty big jump with another offseason under his belt and some draft improvements to the team.

If a guy plays as a rookie and doesn't have many bright spots, the casual belief is that there might still be time, but ultimately that guy probably isn't the answer.

So since Wentz played as a rookie, and had an okay season, most people expect that big jump, despite not having actually watched many of his games. But I think a more analytical fan could look deeper and see cause for concern, and see that he might not be automatically in-line for a jump in production.

 

[NorthDakota]

I think most people look at it from a more casual perspective, and just assume that Wentz will follow the traditional "curve" where he will improve dramatically from a rookie year where he was okay.

If a guy plays as a rookie and does okay, you can expect a pretty big jump with another offseason under his belt and some draft improvements to the team.

If a guy plays as a rookie and doesn't have many bright spots, the casual belief is that there might still be time, but ultimately that guy probably isn't the answer.

So since Wentz played as a rookie, and had an okay season, most people expect that big jump, despite not having actually watched many of his games. But I think a more analytical fan could look deeper and see cause for concern, and see that he might not be automatically in-line for a jump in production.

He did look solid at times, he's also two years older than everyone else.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

It looks like the Steelers have a great blueprint to win...a lot.... that's kinda what they do.

Oh, thank you for the expert analysis. I thought 2nd - 4th in the AFC included them winning a fair number of games but rarely having enough to win a SB. They are a quality franchise, in the top 20% most likely but I'd posit one of their biggest areas for improvement is their draft strategy (and running into Tom Brady every year).

Since they won the SB in 2008, they missed the playoffs, lost the SB, lost wild card, missed playoffs two consecutive years, lost wild card, lost divisional playoffs, lost conference championship.

 

[woolybug25]

Oh, thank you for the expert analysis. I thought 2nd - 4th in the AFC included them winning a fair number of games but rarely having enough to win a SB. They are a quality franchise, in the top 20% most likely but I'd posit one of their biggest areas for improvement is their draft strategy (and running into Tom Brady every year).

Since they won the SB in 2008, they missed the playoffs, lost the SB, lost wild card, missed playoffs two consecutive years, lost wild card, lost divisional playoffs, lost conference championship.

Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

 

[NorthDakota]

Oh, thank you for the expert analysis. I thought 2nd - 4th in the AFC included them winning a fair number of games but rarely having enough to win a SB. They are a quality franchise, in the top 20% most likely but I'd posit one of their biggest areas for improvement is their draft strategy (and running into Tom Brady every year).

Since they won the SB in 2008, they missed the playoffs, lost the SB, lost wild card, missed playoffs two consecutive years, lost wild card, lost divisional playoffs, lost conference championship.

So they've represented their conference in the Super Bowl multiple times in the past decade. in theory, they should only represent the conference every sixteen years. What a dumpster fire.

I hate Mike Tomlin. I really really do. But the Steelers are among the best run franchises in American sports.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is this supposed to be a bad thing?

no shit, among real fanbases maybe only the Packers and Broncos wouldn't trade places with that.

 

[irishfan]

Oh, thank you for the expert analysis. I thought 2nd - 4th in the AFC included them winning a fair number of games but rarely having enough to win a SB. They are a quality franchise, in the top 20% most likely but I'd posit one of their biggest areas for improvement is their draft strategy (and running into Tom Brady every year).

Since they won the SB in 2008, they missed the playoffs, lost the SB, lost wild card, missed playoffs two consecutive years, lost wild card, lost divisional playoffs, lost conference championship.

This is obviously better than just about everyone else in the league, but I'd argue that 5 playoff wins in 8 seasons (with 0 Super Bowl wins) is frustrating when a certain other team in the AFC is threatening to pass them in most Super Bowl wins.

I'd also add that the last 16 years have given me a warped view of what passes as successful in the NFL.

 

[ACamp1900]

I guess it does look a bit worse when you consider how bad the AFC has largely been over the years...

 

[woolybug25]

I hate Mike Tomlin. I really really do. But the Steelers are among the best run franchises in American sports.

We would welcome him with open arms in Chicago.

 

[ACamp1900]

We would welcome him with open arms in Chicago.

I'd take Hue over him right now but I get this.

I also dislike him... he's like the hoodie... I dislike him, think he's a jackass, but respect and acknowledge he's rather good at what he does.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think most people look at it from a more casual perspective, and just assume that Wentz will follow the traditional "curve" where he will improve dramatically from a rookie year where he was okay.

If a guy plays as a rookie and does okay, you can expect a pretty big jump with another offseason under his belt and some draft improvements to the team.

If a guy plays as a rookie and doesn't have many bright spots, the casual belief is that there might still be time, but ultimately that guy probably isn't the answer.

So since Wentz played as a rookie, and had an okay season, most people expect that big jump, despite not having actually watched many of his games. But I think a more analytical fan could look deeper and see cause for concern, and see that he might not be automatically in-line for a jump in production.

man poor redskins with RG3