2017 NFL Draft

[ACamp1900]

I still think they should trade back and do something like this (assuming they trade with like the Jaguars):

Rd. 1 #4 - Derek Barnett DE
Rd. 1 #13 - Reuben Foster LB
Rd. 2 #1 - Curtis Samuel WR or Ethan Pocic G
Rd. 2 #3 - Sidney Jones/Adoree Jackson/Gareon Conley/Desmond King/Jourdan Lewis CB
Rd. 3 #1 - Forest Lamp OT or Tim Williams DE/OLB
Rd. 4 #1 - Brad Kaaya QB

They immediately upgrade their pass rush and LBs in this scenario, add a CB to play opposite Hayden, either bolster WR or OL with solid talent, and still add a potentially serviceable QB in round 4. I think this is a home run draft class right here.

I think they are good at WR but I would not be upset by the basic premise here... the o line graded better than people generally assume too but they do desperately need to upgrade the Center position.

 

[beryirish]

I think they are good at WR but I would not be upset by the basic premise here... the o line graded better than people generally assume too but they do desperately need to upgrade the Center position.

They have Pro-Bowler Alex Mack, right?.....oh wait

He decided to leave to play for a team that's in the Super Bowl lol.

Just Win!

 

[ACamp1900]

Browns have officially ink'd Collins to a four year deal...

 

[GATTACA!]

Kizer is the best QB in this class. Look at his #s vs pressure.

Sashi please!

 

[IrishLion]

Kizer's touch/accuracy/strength on the deep ball make him the best NFL prospect at QB in the draft. He throws a better deep ball than any of the other guys in the draft.

Kizer's short accuracy and inconsistency give him some "NFL bust" potential, as well. Those inconsistencies, like examples of throwing a simple 5-yard out into the dirt for no apparent reason, can become mental hurdles at the pro level that a QB doesn't recover from.

Wherever he gets drafted, whether he starts from day one or rides the bench for a year, it's paramount that the team commits to a running game to ease his transition.

That sounds like "Captain Obvious" stuff, but if for example he gets drafted by the Browns, and Hue decides to put it all on his shoulders immediately, his bust potential will multiply at a greater rate than most QB's.

Kind of a low-floor/high-ceiling thing.

 

[philipm31]

I am still wondering how the heck Trubisky is so high. The Niners have tons of needs; that is why they are picking #2. Can anyone tell me why this guy is considered such a stud?

 

[IrishLion]

I am still wondering how the heck Trubisky is so high. The Niners have tons of needs; that is why they are picking #2. Can anyone tell me why this guy is considered such a stud?

He's just being thrown around as the hot name because this is a weak QB class, and because he looked legit in his one year as a starter for UNC.

Combine "zero great options" with "this guy might have potential!" and you've got Trubisky

 

[ACamp1900]

I am still wondering how the heck Trubisky is so high. The Niners have tons of needs; that is why they are picking #2. Can anyone tell me why this guy is considered such a stud?

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All I can say is every year QBs are overvalued in the draft... look at last season's madness... Alex Smith is a good player and has had a great career but #1 overall? Bradford, Russell, Stafford... were any of these guys considered the top players coming into the draft? I don't recall so.. but that's the way peps look at QBs...

add to the fact that this is a weak QB in general and... sucks to be a team in need of a QB in the top ten.

 

[GATTACA!]

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All I can say is every year QBs are overvalued in the draft... look at last season's madness... Alex Smith is a good player and has had a great career but #1 overall? Bradford, Russell, Stafford... were any of these guys considered the top players coming into the draft? I don't recall so.. but that's the way peps look at QBs...

add to the fact that this is a weak QB in general and... sucks to be a team in need of a QB in the top ten.

Stafford was worth the #1 pick he's been a top 10 QB. Bradford was hindered by his injuries but he was looking promising before his injuries. Heck even this year he threw for like 4,000 yards on 70+% completions. Russell was a lazy pos and that should have been found out before he was taken #1.

If you just look at the QBs taken #1 overall there are more hits than misses. The ratio is certainly better than your odds of hitting on a FQB any other way.

Jameis Winston - hit

Andrew Luck - hit

Cam Newton - hit

Sam Bradford - ? better than anything we've had in cleveland since 99. I'd give him an incomplete.

Matthew Stafford - hit

JaMarcus Russell - miss

Alex Smith - Solid career, i'd say hit

Eli Manning - hit

Carson Palmer - Was on the verge of being a top 10 QB before Kimo Von Oelhoffen blew up his knee. Still a solid QB. Hit IMO

David Carr - miss

Michael Vick - hit

Tim Couch - I'd put this one on the Browns more than Couch but still a miss regardless.

Peyton Manning - hit

Drew Bledsoe - hit


So 11/14 have been successful? At worst 9/14 if you argue Smith and Bradford. I'll take those odds all day long.

 

[ACamp1900]

You're arguing something entirely different tho... I'm not saying if an Andrew Luck or a Drew Bledsoe is there you pass... I'm saying QBs are often taken higher than they should be and this year is amplified by the fact that there isn't one of 'those guys'... the question was, 'where is this Trubisky love coming from?"

on a side tho, I'd contend some of your 'hits' in terms of a #1 overall, but whatevas....

If your point is take a QB with 1 this year... you're trending back towards 'draft Johnny Football... at least people will talk about us" territory.

 

[GATTACA!]

You're arguing something entirely different tho... I'm not saying if an Andrew Luck or a Drew Bledsoe is there you pass... I'm saying QBs are often taken higher than they should be and this year is amplified by the fact that there isn't one of 'those guys'... the question was, 'where is this Trubisky love coming from?"

on a side tho, I'd contend some of your 'hits' in terms of a #1 overall, but whatevas....

I agree QB's are often overhyped, but what i'm saying is if you take whoever is the concensus #1 QB in the draft more times than not you're going to get a good player. So even when there is a Bradford or Stafford who you don't really think are deserving of being taken that highly they tend to work out.

I think when it comes down to it if Hue thinks Kizer is a franchise type QB even if he's raw and his overall grade the Browns have on him is lower than their grade on Garrett, if they don't think he will be there at 12 you have to take him #1. The QB position is just too important.

I think the Trubisky hype is coming from people that don't really know what the hell they are looking at. People see gawdy completion % numbers and all the yardage he racked up and they don't understand that Fedora's system is predicated on easy throws that rack up tons of YAC. Just look at the charts I posted. Past 10 yards Trubisky had basically the same number of attempts down field at Kizer while having 150 more attempts overall. Their offense was set up for him to look good.

If your point is take a QB with 1 this year... you're trending back towards 'draft Johnny Football... at least people will talk about us" territory.

Low blow. Like trying to shame a former alcoholic by shaking a bottle of vodka in their face

 

[ACamp1900]

... you have to take him #1. The QB position is just too important.

SMH... You damned uncircumcised philistine....

 

[ACamp1900]

We're expected to franchise tag Pryor.... idk about that, that's a large price... but if he balls out this year lock him up I guess....

 

[GATTACA!]

SMH... You damned uncircumcised philistine....

You're taking that out of context. I qualified that by saying that Hue would have to be in love with him, and he would have to obviously be going before 12.

We're expected to franchise tag Pryor.... idk about that, that's a large price... but if he balls out this year lock him up I guess....

I don't like this at all. Sign him to a 4 year deal on middle of the road WR money. If we tag him and he lives up to it good luck getting him on a favorable contract going forward, he's going to want to match the franchise tag amount which is going to be ridiculous. If we sign him to a 4 year 30 million dollar deal and he doesn't live up to it then we can just cut him after the first year and take the cap hit and still have the most cap space in the league by a lot.

 

[philipm31]

I think that there are more needs than QB and you could take the more NFL ready Allen at #2 and KNOW you have a great player. And Trubisky is not a franchise QB, so I hope that the Niners think about what they truly need. Sure QB is going to be a huge hole but the millions of dollars they could save by letting Kap walk would allow them to go after a FA QB if they wanted instead of such a very risky rookie QB. If you are going through a rebuild, you need NFL-ready talent and Trubisky is not ready and could be ruined by being rushed into starting. That is my fear.

 

[BGIF]

SMH... You damned uncircumcised philistine....

Did you have to start that?

Now the UPM, Uncircumcised Philistine Matters, crowd is going to protest.

 

[GowerND11]

Did you have to start that?

Now the UPM, Uncircumcised Philistine Matters, crowd is going to protest.

The Bluth Company makes sizeable donations...

 

[ACamp1900]

You're taking that out of context.

... you actually typed the words, "you have to take him #1. The QB position is just too important.," while discussing this year's draft... context or not my mind melted when I read that lol

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm pretty interested to see what round the Pats draft Ryan Switzer...

 

[GowerND11]

I'm pretty interested to see what round the Pats draft Ryan Switzer...

Racist Pats drafting a white WR... Typical

 

[IrishSteelhead]

2017 NFL Draft

Stafford was worth the #1 pick he's been a top 10 QB. Bradford was hindered by his injuries but he was looking promising before his injuries. Heck even this year he threw for like 4,000 yards on 70+% completions. Russell was a lazy pos and that should have been found out before he was taken #1.



If you just look at the QBs taken #1 overall there are more hits than misses. The ratio is certainly better than your odds of hitting on a FQB any other way.



Jameis Winston - hit



Andrew Luck - hit



Cam Newton - hit



Sam Bradford - ? better than anything we've had in cleveland since 99. I'd give him an incomplete.



Matthew Stafford - hit



JaMarcus Russell - miss



Alex Smith - Solid career, i'd say hit



Eli Manning - hit



Carson Palmer - Was on the verge of being a top 10 QB before Kimo Von Oelhoffen blew up his knee. Still a solid QB. Hit IMO



David Carr - miss



Michael Vick - hit



Tim Couch - I'd put this one on the Browns more than Couch but still a miss regardless.



Peyton Manning - hit



Drew Bledsoe - hit





So 11/14 have been successful? At worst 9/14 if you argue Smith and Bradford. I'll take those odds all day long.

I'd argue you are lumping once in a few years talents (Manning x2, Luck, etc.) with every year talents (Bradford, Smith, etc.) There is disparity if you look that way.

The bottom line when taking a QB #1 is he needs to be a once in a few years talent. Do you see any of these guys being that? I personally don't.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'd argue you are lumping once in a few years talents (Manning x2, Luck, etc.) with every year talents (Bradford, Smith, etc.) There is disparity if you look that way.

The bottom line when taking a QB #1 is he needs to be a once in a few years talent. Do you see any of these guys being that? I personally don't.

Idk if I'd say once in a few years guy, but I do like Kizer more than I liked Goff or Wentz. Anyways my argument isn't that we should take a QB #1, but rather if Hue and co fell in love with someone and determined that he wouldn't make it to #12 I wouldn't be upset, like I'm sure ACamp would be, if they took him at #1.

 

[ACamp1900]

Idk if I'd say once in a few years guy, but I do like Kizer more than I liked Goff or Wentz. Anyways my argument isn't that we should take a QB #1, but rather if Hue and co fell in love with someone and determined that he wouldn't make it to #12 I wouldn't be upset, like I'm sure any real fan with a football IQ would be, if they took him at #1.

fixed.

 

[GATTACA!]

fixed.

 

[pkt77242]

Browns interested in trading for QB Jimmy Garoppolo | SI.com

ACamp must be thrilled by this......

 

[dang227]

Browns interested in trading for QB Jimmy Garoppolo | SI.com

ACamp must be thrilled by this......

There is no way that chump is worth a 1st round pick. Low second or preferably a 3rd at best. He throws a terrible deep ball.

 

[ACamp1900]

I've been seeing a lot of that in the last few days... I'm all for trading for him if it's a sensible trade... a first rounder is nutzo... even a second is a bit much... we will see.

 

[philipm31]

He's just being thrown around as the hot name because this is a weak QB class, and because he looked legit in his one year as a starter for UNC.

Combine "zero great options" with "this guy might have potential!" and you've got Trubisky

Which is why you skip him and get a DL like Allen. He has massive potential and can play from the get-go, and in multiple positions.

 

[Armyirish47]

The USA Today posted their free 1.0 mock draft version linked below.

NFL mock draft 1.0: Where might Leonard Fournette and others land in 2017 draft

Interesting bits of tid.

1. Myles Garrett - CLE
2. Jonathan Allen - SF
10. DeShone Kizer - BUF
12 Deshaun Watson - CLE

 

[zelezo vlk]

The USA Today posted their free 1.0 mock draft version linked below.

NFL mock draft 1.0: Where might Leonard Fournette and others land in 2017 draft

Interesting bits of tid.

1. Myles Garrett - CLE
2. Jonathan Allen - SF
10. DeShone Kizer - BUF
12 Deshaun Watson - CLE

That mock makes no damn sense. The Niners have no better QB situation than da Bears, and they take DL for the 3rd year in a row? I just don't see it.