2017 NFL Draft

[GATTACA!]

Yeah GATTACA, I'm gonna need you to edit that to just a list haha

Ja, sicher mein Führer.

 

[kmoose]

Report:

Browns are on the verge of a long term w Collins,...

I knew the QB situation was bad, but a long term deal with Todd Collins? WOW, it's way worse than I dared hope!

 

[philipm31]

Mitch Trubisky at #2????? WTF???

 

[Blazers46]

I am interested in the recruiting rankings for each of the projected 1st rounders.... I am too lazy to do it myself so someone needs to get on that ish pronto!

 

[beryirish]

I'm really surprised ESPN posted Kiper's mock draft for free. His and McShay's mocks and draft talk is ALWAYS for ESPN Insiders. I was one of them. Looking at ESPN today i see that they are still Insider subscriptions in order to view.

Tread carefully my friend.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm really surprised ESPN posted Kiper's mock draft for free. His and McShay's mocks and draft talk is ALWAYS for ESPN Insiders. I was one of them. Looking at ESPN today i see that they are still Insider subscriptions in order to view.

Tread carefully my friend.

Gattaca's list is simply a reproduction of the information he gathered from the television, which he then pulled from his brain. Completely legal.

 

[woolybug25]

Gattaca's list is simply a reproduction of the information he gathered from the television, which he then pulled from his brain. Completely legal.

Which is different than someone giving us a reproduction of a premium video they saw on 247 and pulled from their memory?

 

[beryirish]

I am interested in the recruiting rankings for each of the projected 1st rounders.... I am too lazy to do it myself so someone needs to get on that ish pronto!

247 Rankings:

13 10 5 2 2 zero stars

5 Myles Garrett:
4 Mitch Trubisky:
5 Jonathan Allen:
5 Jamal Adams:
4 Mike Williams:
4 Marshon Lattimore:
5 Cam Robinson:
5 Leonard Fournette:
5 Solomon Thomas:
4 Deshaun Watson:
5 Reuben Foster:
5 Dalvin Cook:
5 Teez Tabor:
3 Quincy Wilson:
4 Takkarist McKinley:
5 Jabrill Peppers:
3 Malik Hooker:
5 Marlon Humphrey:
4 Taco Charlton:
0 Garett Bolles: CAN'T LOCATE
4 Tim Williams:
3 Jarrad Davis:
0 Ryan Ramczyk: ZERO STARS (N/A)
5 Malik McDowell:
4 Budda Baker:
3 Cordrea Tankersley:
2 Corey Davis:
3 Sidney Jones:
4 Christian McCaffrey:
2 Charles Harris:
4 Derek Barnett:
5 O.J. Howard:

 

[IrishLion]

Which is different than someone giving us a reproduction of a premium video they saw on 247 and pulled from their memory?

Ignoring the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post after asking Gattaca to alter his OP...

Paraphrasing is totally and 100% allowed. We have never had a problem with that.

It's when we are contacted by writers and websites in regards to entire articles (or the majority of an articles' content, depending on an individual's legal opinion of "copyright" and "fair use") being copied over is where we have problems. So we police those posts, from those sites, to make sure they're okay, because they are being actively monitored by people outside of our site.

If Gattaca wants to post a list that he saw on TV, that's cool. But copying/pasting premium content directly is not consistent with how we try to police things. But we also haven't been directly contacted by ESPN (as long as Wiz aint snitchin'), so there is more leniency that naturally happens in that regard.

I'm not saying it's right, because we do aim for consistency, but I AM saying that we are an ND site, so we are going to police ND-related content much more diligently than non-ND content.

*As a disclaimer for full transparency, when I gave Gattaca the green-light to post Kiper's mock draft, I didn't think it was going to be a direct copy-and-paste of the premium article. I thought we would be getting a list of the picks from Reddit. That's my bad. *Pats chest remorsefully*

 

[dublinirish]

Ignoring the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post after asking Gattaca to alter his OP...

Paraphrasing is totally and 100% allowed. We have never had a problem with that.

It's when we are contacted by writers and websites in regards to entire articles (or the majority of an articles' content, depending on an individual's legal opinion of "copyright" and "fair use") being copied over is where we have problems. So we police those posts, from those sites, to make sure they're okay, because they are being actively monitored by people outside of our site.

If Gattaca wants to post a list that he saw on TV, that's cool. But copying/pasting premium content directly is not consistent with how we try to police things. But we also haven't been directly contacted by ESPN (as long as Wiz aint snitchin'), so there is more leniency that naturally happens in that regard.

I'm not saying it's right, because we do aim for consistency, but I AM saying that we are an ND site, so we are going to police ND-related content much more diligently than non-ND content.

*As a disclaimer for full transparency, when I gave Gattaca the green-light to post Kiper's mock draft, I didn't think it was going to be a direct copy-and-paste of the premium article. I thought we would be getting a list of the picks from Reddit. That's my bad. *Pats chest remorsefully*

can we get a definitive list of sites then that we are to be conscious of?

 

[IrishLion]

can we get a definitive list of sites then that we are to be conscious of?

All of the sites!!!!

 

[greyhammer90]

All of the sites!!!!

But only paraphrase some!

 

[woolybug25]

Ignoring the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post after asking Gattaca to alter his OP...

Paraphrasing is totally and 100% allowed. We have never had a problem with that.

It's when we are contacted by writers and websites in regards to entire articles (or the majority of an articles' content, depending on an individual's legal opinion of "copyright" and "fair use") being copied over is where we have problems. So we police those posts, from those sites, to make sure they're okay, because they are being actively monitored by people outside of our site.

If Gattaca wants to post a list that he saw on TV, that's cool. But copying/pasting premium content directly is not consistent with how we try to police things. But we also haven't been directly contacted by ESPN (as long as Wiz aint snitchin'), so there is more leniency that naturally happens in that regard.

I'm not saying it's right, because we do aim for consistency, but I AM saying that we are an ND site, so we are going to police ND-related content much more diligently than non-ND content.

*As a disclaimer for full transparency, when I gave Gattaca the green-light to post Kiper's mock draft, I didn't think it was going to be a direct copy-and-paste of the premium article. I thought we would be getting a list of the picks from Reddit. That's my bad. *Pats chest remorsefully*

Being okay to paraphrase premium articles is news to me. I am pretty sure that people have recently been reprimanded for just that. In fact, I'm positive of it.

Again... I think the whole argument is silly, as 247 (because let's be real, its really just them and ISD that have issue) has no legal right to stop it. We could really just tell them to pound sand and do what we want. But we don't.

 

[IrishLion]

Being okay to paraphrase premium articles is news to me. I am pretty sure that people have recently been reprimanded for just that. In fact, I'm positive of it.

Again... I think the whole argument is silly, as 247 (because let's be real, its really just them and ISD that have issue) has no legal right to stop it. We could really just tell them to pound sand and do what we want. But we don't.

FWIW, I agree with the second half of your post. It's not illegal to paraphrase news content, and labeling something "VIP!" doesn't suddenly change that or offer the content special protection, as much as 247 wishes it were so. And without using the phrase "pound sand," we have (and PANDFAN has) talked to them about it and expressed a similar opinion.

As for the top part, no one has been reprimanded for posting paraphrased content... they've been reprimanded for not providing links/sources to paraphrased content.

 

[woolybug25]

FWIW, I agree with the second half of your post. It's not illegal to paraphrase news content, and labeling something "VIP!" doesn't suddenly change that or offer the content special protection, as much as 247 wishes it were so. And without using the phrase "pound sand," we have (and PANDFAN has) talked to them about it and expressed a similar opinion.

As for the top part, no one has been reprimanded for posting paraphrased content... they've been reprimanded for not providing links/sources to paraphrased content.

So just to be absolutely clear. If 247 puts out a VIP article stating that The Gipper has been reincarnated and will be joining the '17 class. I can post just that as long as I link the VIP article?

 

[IrishLion]

So just to be absolutely clear. If 247 puts out a VIP article stating that The Gipper has been reincarnated and will be joining the '17 class. I can post just that as long as I link the VIP article?

Link the article/provide the source, paraphrase what you've learned. No direct quotes or copy/paste.

As far as my understanding, and as far as what was stated in PANDFAN's thread that started the recent uproar, thems the rules.

 

[woolybug25]

Link the article/provide the source, paraphrase what you've learned. No direct quotes or copy/paste.

As far as my understanding, and as far as what was stated in PANDFAN's thread that started the recent uproar, thems the rules.

 

[IrishLion]

 

[GATTACA!]

Ignoring the tongue-in-cheek nature of my post after asking Gattaca to alter his OP...

Paraphrasing is totally and 100% allowed. We have never had a problem with that.

It's when we are contacted by writers and websites in regards to entire articles (or the majority of an articles' content, depending on an individual's legal opinion of "copyright" and "fair use") being copied over is where we have problems. So we police those posts, from those sites, to make sure they're okay, because they are being actively monitored by people outside of our site.

If Gattaca wants to post a list that he saw on TV, that's cool. But copying/pasting premium content directly is not consistent with how we try to police things. But we also haven't been directly contacted by ESPN (as long as Wiz aint snitchin'), so there is more leniency that naturally happens in that regard.

I'm not saying it's right, because we do aim for consistency, but I AM saying that we are an ND site, so we are going to police ND-related content much more diligently than non-ND content.

*As a disclaimer for full transparency, when I gave Gattaca the green-light to post Kiper's mock draft, I didn't think it was going to be a direct copy-and-paste of the premium article. I thought we would be getting a list of the picks from Reddit. That's my bad. *Pats chest remorsefully*

That was the list from reddit, I'm not an ESPN insider. I figured it was fine since the info was already out there in the matrix.

 

[irishfan]

I think it's just apples and oranges. I get it's hypocritical on the surface to post ESPN Insider Mock Draft info, but this is stuff you can find by doing a quick google search, whereas info from 247 and ISD is taken straight from the site and is found nowhere else.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/5ox58c/mel_kipers_2017_nfl_mock_draft_10/

 

[Graybeard52]

This is basically for Redskin fans but it has links to just about every mock draft out there, including when they were last known to be updated. Some of the dates aren't 100% accurate though.

NFL Mock Database

 

[Blazers46]

Huh

247 Rankings:

13 10 5 2 2 zero stars

5 Myles Garrett:
4 Mitch Trubisky:
5 Jonathan Allen:
5 Jamal Adams:
4 Mike Williams:
4 Marshon Lattimore:
5 Cam Robinson:
5 Leonard Fournette:
5 Solomon Thomas:
4 Deshaun Watson:
5 Reuben Foster:
5 Dalvin Cook:
5 Teez Tabor:
3 Quincy Wilson:
4 Takkarist McKinley:
5 Jabrill Peppers:
3 Malik Hooker:
5 Marlon Humphrey:
4 Taco Charlton:
0 Garett Bolles: CAN'T LOCATE
4 Tim Williams:
3 Jarrad Davis:
0 Ryan Ramczyk: ZERO STARS (N/A)
5 Malik McDowell:
4 Budda Baker:
3 Cordrea Tankersley:
2 Corey Davis:
3 Sidney Jones:
4 Christian McCaffrey:
2 Charles Harris:
4 Derek Barnett:
5 O.J. Howard:

Awesome, thanks

 

[NDohio]

Browns reportedly asked Deshaun Watson to play in Senior Bowl and he declined


DWatson trying to hide form the Browns - LOL.

 

[ACamp1900]

NFL Draft 2017: Here's 5 ways the Browns could land 5 starters at 5 key positions | cleveland.com

Interesting options... I don't see a world (obviously the combine can change this) where they don't take Garrett at 1... but it's still fun to throw around... at this time the homerun first round is one where they get Myles G and then somehow get Hooker...

 

[dublinirish]

Browns reportedly asked Deshaun Watson to play in Senior Bowl and he declined


DWatson trying to hide form the Browns - LOL.

 

[beryirish]

NFL Draft 2017: Here's 5 ways the Browns could land 5 starters at 5 key positions | cleveland.com

Interesting options... I don't see a world (obviously the combine can change this) where they don't take Garrett at 1... but it's still fun to throw around... at this time the homerun first round is one where they get Myles G and then somehow get Hooker...

Wow - those are some big college names to throw on one team. This draft is a deal breaker for the Brownies - gotta get it right.

 

[woolybug25]

NFL Draft 2017: Here's 5 ways the Browns could land 5 starters at 5 key positions | cleveland.com

Interesting options... I don't see a world (obviously the combine can change this) where they don't take Garrett at 1... but it's still fun to throw around... at this time the homerun first round is one where they get Myles G and then somehow get Hooker...

Option 6

1) Trubiski
12) Fournette
33) Trade pick to Pats for Jimmy Garoppolo
52) Al-Quadin Muhammad
65) The water boy for San Diego State

 

[ACamp1900]

Wow - those are some big college names to throw on one team. This draft is a deal breaker for the Brownies - gotta get it right.

Yeah, they have to get this right... I'm confident they will tho... five picks in the top 65? They'll get at least a couple instant impacts there... I think they'll do some important things in the FA market over the next two off-seasons too...

 

[woolybug25]

Yeah, they have to get this right... I'm confident they will tho... five picks in the top 65? They'll get at least a couple instant impacts there... I think they'll do some important things in the FA market over the next two off-seasons too...

This is like watching a slow motion car crash on a road you knew was too icy to drive on.

You want to scream to them to slow down, but you know they cannot hear you...

 

[Rack Em]

NFL Draft 2017: Here's 5 ways the Browns could land 5 starters at 5 key positions | cleveland.com

Interesting options... I don't see a world (obviously the combine can change this) where they don't take Garrett at 1... but it's still fun to throw around... at this time the homerun first round is one where they get Myles G and then somehow get Hooker...

I still think they should trade back and do something like this (assuming they trade with like the Jaguars):

Rd. 1 #4 - Derek Barnett DE
Rd. 1 #13 - Reuben Foster LB
Rd. 2 #1 - Curtis Samuel WR or Ethan Pocic G
Rd. 2 #3 - Sidney Jones/Adoree Jackson/Gareon Conley/Desmond King/Jourdan Lewis CB
Rd. 3 #1 - Forest Lamp OT or Tim Williams DE/OLB
Rd. 4 #1 - Brad Kaaya QB

They immediately upgrade their pass rush and LBs in this scenario, add a CB to play opposite Hayden, either bolster WR or OL with solid talent, and still add a potentially serviceable QB in round 4. I think this is a home run draft class right here.