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There is a secret visitor unofficially visiting this weekend but they are withholding the name per the kid
Forecasting Notre Dame’s final sprint toward Signing Day

Too much to post from phone... But the bigger news is Loy is expecting polian to head out to the island manti style to visit the Hawaiian de ... Harris is top of the board right now and looking pretty good there... Still working to flip pachel.... Oh the wr commit to Mizzou really liked ND prior to getting offer so this looks good
 
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They've done exactly what????

Elko has proven he can develop talent
Same with wr coach..Lb coach and strength/condition coaches
Polian... Elko currently...Wr coach and long have been praised for their recruiting work ethic

You are one of those who continues to come to every fucking thread to bitch...
 

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Elko has proven he can develop talent
Same with wr coach..Lb coach and strength/condition coaches
Polian... Elko currently...Wr coach and long have been praised for their recruiting work ethic

You are one of those who continues to come to every fucking thread to bitch...

Thank goodness you're a recruiting analyst and not a mod. This would be a ghost town.
 

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I think people would be more reasonable about the late push for lower rated kids if there was something to show for development around here.

We've had a few development success stories, where's as all the guys someone mentioned for Clemson were ALL success stories.
So sorry if I'm not gonna get all gun ho about ND putting their eggs in the "we plan to bat 1.000 on the 10 3*s panning out to play championship football" no matter how much were lead to believe that these guys are "better fits" or "want to be at ND".

It is a fact, that Clemson has recruited around 40, 3 star or lower players over the last 4 signed cycles 2013-16'. That's roughly 10 per cycle. It is also a fact, that 10 players that started for them on Monday, were 3 star or lower players. So a team that has recruited, extremely well, not only recruits a fair amount of 3 star players, but those players warrant playing time and they are difference makers. Educate yourself on the situation, it would help the discussion.

Also, we don't need to bat 1.000 on all our 3 star recruits panning out and Clemson certainly didn't. We will sign our share of highly recruited and talented players.

So yea, my expectation is that most individuals will be able to have an intelligent conversation about 3 star recruits; watch the film, see what some of the "experts" think about them, and consider how they might fit Elko's scheme. But hey, you are clearly incapable of that conversation, so cheers, keep clogging threads with these fantastic posts.
 
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I didn't realize we backed off him as well. Is this due to not having 3 true LBs on the field in Elko's base D?
Yes and what we currently have on roster...Perry. Morgan... Tranquil... And potentially bigger DB like Vaughn
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Blessed to pick up an offer from The University of Notre Dame ☘️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash">#GoIrish</a> <a href="https://t.co/fH4zxzFRsj">pic.twitter.com/fH4zxzFRsj</a></p>— Jordan Genmark Heath (@SwedishBlackGuy) <a href="https://twitter.com/SwedishBlackGuy/status/819318851879911424">January 11, 2017</a></blockquote>
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You are one of those who continues to come to every fucking thread to bitch...

Panda, I quit my "fucking bitching" a few weeks ago, if you think my asking questions and being my usual smart assed self is "bitching".......you don't know a whole hell of a lot about me
 

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It is a fact, that Clemson has recruited around 40, 3 star or lower players over the last 4 signed cycles 2013-16'. That's roughly 10 per cycle. It is also a fact, that 10 players that started for them on Monday, were 3 star or lower players. So a team that has recruited, extremely well, not only recruits a fair amount of 3 star players, but those players warrant playing time and they are difference makers. Educate yourself on the situation, it would help the discussion.

Also, we don't need to bat 1.000 on all our 3 star recruits panning out and Clemson certainly didn't. We will sign our share of highly recruited and talented players.

So yea, my expectation is that most individuals will be able to have an intelligent conversation about 3 star recruits; watch the film, see what some of the "experts" think about them, and consider how they might fit Elko's scheme. But hey, you are clearly incapable of that conversation, so cheers, keep clogging threads with these fantastic posts.

Lol. My point remains then that they either a) hit at a very high rate every year in their 3*s or b) have a proven system for their development.

We don't have a history of doing either A or B at the level Clemson did during the time period you've outlined.

So while I actually love the idea of getting guys who want to be at ND (flakes lead to depth issues as much as poor recruiting), I want those guys to have a higher chance of turning out.

I guess I don't know what else I should educate myself on?
 

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Lol. My point remains then that they either a) hit at a very high rate every year in their 3*s or b) have a proven system for their development.

We don't have a history of doing either A or B at the level Clemson did during the time period you've outlined.

So while I actually love the idea of getting guys who want to be at ND (flakes lead to depth issues as much as poor recruiting), I want those guys to have a higher chance of turning out.

I guess I don't know what else I should educate myself on?

No, WE don't have a history of coaching kids up, but the coaches we hired HAVE coached 2 & 3* kids up to play at a high level.
 

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No, WE don't have a history of coaching kids up, but the coaches we hired HAVE coached 2 & 3* kids up to play at a high level.

And I hope they have a better eye for talent and ability to get those same results while at ND.
 

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Man a ton of offers have gone out. That's good

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Im surprised Sage Surratt hasnt gotten an offer yet.

Very good call. You might have to change your name to Crusader's People.

I mean, who wants to go to Harvard? I've debated about putting up his profile anyways, his HS stats are only attainable on the newest generation of game consoles.
 

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Which, btw, Crusader, thanks for the continued profiles on kids we're now looking at!!
 

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I think people would be more reasonable about the late push for lower rated kids if there was something to show for development around here.

We've had a few development success stories, where's as all the guys someone mentioned for Clemson were ALL success stories.

So sorry if I'm not gonna get all gun ho about ND putting their eggs in the "we plan to bat 1.000 on the 10 3*s panning out to play championship football" no matter how much were lead to believe that these guys are "better fits" or "want to be at ND".

I'd say previous development stories are a moot point for the most part now, since most coaches that have struggled to consistently develop in the past are now gone. Not to mention the (likely) addition of Balis and Balou as the top dogs of the S&C dept stands to make development a lot more consistent.

BVG "deserved time to prove it" once upon a time

BVG got time to prove it, and didn't.
 

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Talent is not this programs problem. What happens to the talent after being here for a year is the problem.
 
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Problem is, too many people have all the answers.

Question is, if everyone knows what to do, why hasn't anyone done it?

I don't hold that those of us who have a pedestrian attachment to the program know but aren't in a position to do, and those in the program can't or won't do it.

They get paid to do it. Their jobs depend on doing it.

But they just aren't going to do it?

My youngest son finally talked me into letting him play basketball this year. We had a few responsibility issues to take care of first.

As luck would have it we found the most unique coach I have ever seen. I've seen a lot of little kids start a number of sports.

But never have I seen a guy that could take a dozen nose-picking, clueless little kids, and keep them all working, every minute, all of the time, actually improving their skills rapidly.

There is no wasted effort.

Two nights ago when he was engaging the forwards in the offense he had a play set up where the forward would mirror the guard, and back off from the post position out along the baseline. Then the forward would break off with a spin move off of the defenders hip getting behind and inside him to break to the basket.

Well you know how it is, after a while the defense players started to cheat because they know where the ball is going right.

So it is my son's turn to be the forward, he moves out, breaks off the defender, receives the pass, and there is another defender, selling out, abandoning his player standing right where my son is headed. Boom, without even thinking or taking a breath he passes the ball to the back side where the forward was abandon by the player who sold out, and the open kid knocks it down.

The coach stops practice, tells my son that he did that without even being taught it, and what a good job he did. Practice goes on.

Next night my son is practicing (along with his fundamentals,) 'leadership skills.'

It just so happens (probably since he had to work twice as hard as other kids at practice), my boy and I had an interesting conversation about how everyone he watches in college and the NBA has had to put that kind of time in, day after day, for years, to get where they've gotten. Yes, he was freaked out.

I mentioned this in a message to the coach. So he replied something like so you've got : dream, talent, hard work, pushing the game. What's next adversity? Then what circumstances, sometimes things just don't work out? Then what? Sometimes you only get ahead by pushing to a point that was so far past your intended goal. Then what? Sometimes you have to take others on your journey, so one of you makes it.

What I believe he was saying to me had to do with the secret of successful coaching, and why some can never quite get there.

But this guy picks the right kids. He evaluates them. He listens to them. And he watches carefully how they respond. He puts everything into them, including his sweat. As I stated earlier, he compresses so much into a practice that he sweats profusely within five minutes of the beginning of practice. Just think of a guy that can outwork a dozen ten to twelve year-olds. It would fucking kill me.

But he says if he doesn't work that hard it isn't fair to the kids, and if he doesn't show them, how are they going to learn? Because that, he says, is just what they will need most when it counts.

The last part of this post never gets talked about by any of the guru's or armchair's. And it doesn't get done by good coaches, who just fall short of being championship coaches.
 
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Bogtrotter07

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Talent is not this programs problem. What happens to the talent after being here for a year is the problem.

You hit the nail on the head.

ND gets a 'class of kid that is above and beyond.' But there is pretty much a scandal a year.

Alabama, for instance, gets kids with great physical gifts, but are often not of this same category that we proudly boast for our ND player athletes.

Yet ND has had much more trouble with their kids overall with Kelly than Saban, after you take out the convicts. Yes, there is a rougher class of player at a public institution that puts sport above education. But there is trouble at a different, higher level. Saban doesn't have kids pulling the same undisciplined, grab-ass shit that ND does. Why?
 

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Talent is not this programs problem. What happens to the talent after being here for a year is the problem.

While overall talent as defined by R&R's is very good, there is still a definite talent problem at ND. No team in the recruiting service era has ever won a NC without consensus 5 star players (plural). If winning 10 games is the ultimate goal then ND is ok. If winning a NC is the goal, then they are not.
 

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You hit the nail on the head.

ND gets a 'class of kid that is above and beyond.' But there is pretty much a scandal a year.

Alabama, for instance, gets kids with great physical gifts, but are often not of this same category that we proudly boast for our ND player athletes.

Yet ND has had much more trouble with their kids overall with Kelly than Saban, after you take out the convicts. Yes, there is a rougher class of player at a public institution that puts sport above education. But there is trouble at a different, higher level. Saban doesn't have kids pulling the same undisciplined, grab-ass shit that ND does. Why?

the culture in the south especially bama, texas, auburn, ole miss etc football is their EVERYTHING and the players are looked as a gods....now look at the players at ND...is their jealousy from the officers in the surrounding area of ND??? higher education that MOST LIKELY wouldn't ever sniff being able to go to ND?? IDK but what about the fact that people see Bo, big derrick henry, or any of their players really and people think ohhh shit don't mess with that guy where it seems we have a lot of players seeming to have to act tough...like redfield, stepherson etc they come from good homes, not the hood...over compensating?
 
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