Rioting in St Louis

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Black people from poor areas do not have the same opportunities as people from richer areas. It is an inflicted repeating cycle. Black people are discriminated with in housing, get less funding so schools are worse, and are treated like criminals by society and the police even when they haven't done anything. You can blame black people for all of this for whatever reason, but you'd be wrong. Poverty is all-consuming and incredibly hard to break out of. Then when people are discriminated against for their skin color, it's even worse. Wealthy people and white people create these stereotypes and then judge people based off of them.

Black people have only had equal protection from the law for 50 years, and people are expecting poor black people to build something out of nothing. Then, we have cops killing black people because they hold a BB gun without threat, because they didn't show some jackoff cop enough respect, because they were walking home, because they bought a sandwich, because they had a cell phone. You can deny institutionalized racism, but it just makes you look ignorant to real life.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Utah authorities alter account of Darrien Hunt shooting by police | US news | The Guardian

What did Darrien Hunt do? What was his problem that was all his fault? Why did he deserve to die like all of these other murder victims?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Not even mentioning the drug war which is just slavery under a different name. For a long time 1 gram of crack was equal to 100 grams of cocaine in the eyes of the law. I wonder which drug was common among poor people and which was a white collar drug. Private prisons back the drug war to get their slaves to make money, and it just so happens that the government has made it so crack cocaine gets the longest sentences. Hmmm.

 

[kmoose]

New to the New York Time Bestseller list:

"Crack is Black!"

by Title 2114.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Yeah I'm definitely wrong, crack cocaine wasn't introduced and used by poor inner city people, who are mostly black.

I wonder if the government was connected to the crack epidemic of the 80s in anyway...Hmmm no there's no way that the CIA was bringing cocaine into the country. Impossible!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Smart

New high school course: ‘How to deal with cops’ | New York Post

It’s Cops 101.

The principal of East Side Community HS invited the New York Civil Liberties Union to give a two-day training session last week on interacting with police.

The 450 kids were coached on staying calm during NYPD encounters and given a “What To Do If You’re Stopped By The Police” pamphlet.
NYCLU representatives told kids to be polite and to keep their hands out of their pockets. But they also told students they don’t have to show ID or consent to searches, that it’s best to remain silent, and how to file a complaint against an officer.

Principal Mark Federman said he brought in the NYCLU because students told teachers they had bad experiences with being stopped by police. He said the training also was relevant to history classes studying the Ferguson, Mo., shooting.

“We’re not going to candy-coat things — we have a problem in our city that’s affecting young men of color and all of our students,” Federman told The Post.

“It’s not about the police being bad,” he added. “This isn’t anti-police as much as it’s pro-young people . . . It’s about what to do when kids are put in a position where they feel powerless and uncomfortable.”

The hourlong workshops — held in small classroom sessions during advisory periods — focused on the NYPD’s stop-and-frisk program and how to exercise Fourth Amendment rights when being stopped and questioned in a car or at home.

But some law-enforcement experts say the NYCLU is going beyond civics lessons and doling out criminal-defense advice.

Eugene O’Donnell, a former police officer and professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, said the literature implies cops are “public enemy No. 1.”

“It’s unlikely that a high school student would come away with any other conclusion than the police are a fearful group to be avoided at all costs,” he said.

Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association said, “Education is the key, but are Civil Liberties going in with an agenda or to educate? I think we deserve equal time and should have the opportunity to follow up with the same platform to explain exactly what police do and what we think is the best way to deal with the police.”

Senior Jason Zaragoza, 18, told The Post police stopped him three months ago after he left a party with friends.

“We said we were going home,” he said. “They said, ‘You’re lying to us — just tell us the truth.’ I was panicking, because I knew they could do anything to me and I can’t help myself.”

Zaragoza said last week’s workshop “helped show me I can have my own defense against policemen who abuse their power.”

A 17-year-old student, who asked not to be named, said police once hassled him outside his apartment because he had a marker from art class in his pocket.

“If you don’t consent [to a search], sometimes they’ll still do it,” the senior said. “But [NYCLU reps] said do not resist.”

Candis Tolliver, NYCLU’s associate director for advocacy, said she visits classes after getting requests by teachers. This was the first time she trained an entire high school.

“This is not about teaching kids how to get away with a crime or being disrespectful,” Tolliver said. “This is about making sure both sides are walking away from the situation safe and in control.”

 

[kmoose]

Yeah I'm definitely wrong, crack cocaine wasn't introduced and used by poor inner city people, who are mostly black.

I wonder if the government was connected to the crack epidemic of the 80s in anyway...Hmmm no there's no way that the CIA was bringing cocaine into the country. Impossible!

Next on the New York Time Bestsellers list:

"Men In Black on Black Crime"


By Title 2114.

 

[irishff1014]

Smart

New high school course: ‘How to deal with cops’ | New York Post

Let's teach class on how not to be stupid tool hahaha this is a joke.

 

[kmoose]

Let's teach class on how not to be stupid tool hahaha this is a joke.

Actually, I think it is a pretty good idea. Let's face it: the kids who attend inner city schools have a MUCH higher chance of having just about zero good parenting in their lives. So don't assume that they are being taught important life skills like conflict resolution at home. No one is making them take the class, but I think offering it to those who want to learn the skills it offers is a really good step. I think a similar class ought to be mandated for those in law enforcement, with regular refresher training.

 

[wizards8507]

Smart

New high school course: ‘How to deal with cops’ | New York Post

Smart?

1. Don't do crime.
2. Don't hang out with criminal friends.
3. Don't be a freaking idiot.

Those three steps have served me pretty well in my relationship with the police over the years.

 

[irishff1014]

Smart?

1. Don't do crime.
2. Don't hang out with criminal friends.
3. Don't be a freaking idiot.

Those three steps have served me pretty well in my relationship with the police over the years.

But didn't you know that the police can tell they are black from a hundred yards running radar?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Smart?

1. Don't do crime.
2. Don't hang out with criminal friends.
3. Don't be a freaking idiot.

Those three steps have served me pretty well in my relationship with the police over the years.

What was Darrien Hunt doing to deserve to be killed? What about Oscar Grant when he was handcuffed? It's easy to say when you're white and the cops don't automatically assume you are a criminal. I guess you want these guys being judge, jury, and executioner and stealing or running is wroth a death sentence. Cops kill, and kids need to know how to avoid being killed by a trigger happy cop.

 

[irishff1014]

Actually, I think it is a pretty good idea. Let's face it: the kids who attend inner city schools have a MUCH higher chance of having just about zero good parenting in their lives. So don't assume that they are being taught important life skills like conflict resolution at home. No one is making them take the class, but I think offering it to those who want to learn the skills it offers is a really good step. I think a similar class ought to be mandated for those in law enforcement, with regular refresher training.

Ok since offered it life skills don't involve how to act with police . Teach them not to steal, teach them morals, change the African American culture to do better go to a tech school learn a skill. Make the. Accountable, show them trust that's how you fix this.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

But didn't you know that the police can tell they are black from a hundred yards running radar?

Uh Beau this guy was mean to me so he should be banned for a week, as is protocol.

 

[kmoose]

Ok since offered it life skills don't involve how to act with police . Teach them not to steal, teach them morals, change the African American culture to do better go to a tech school learn a skill. Make the. Accountable, show them trust that's how you fix this.

I agree that these things should be done as well. But, the class on how to interact with police is a nice support class until you can affect the real change that will undoubtedly take time?

 

[wizards8507]

Well if you get banned you will have more time how to teach poor people how to act properly and rich (step 1: buy bootstraps) so it might be better for everyone.

What is "acting rich" about "don't do crime"?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

What crime was Darrien Hunt doing? John Crawford? The 12 year old in Cleveland? Akai Gurley?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If you defend yourself, you get the death penalty

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Wilson will get away with it but Brown wasn't committing a crime when he was killed from more than 100 feet away. If the cops were in the right they would have told the truth the whole time and filed a police report. 6 witnesses wouldn't have had the same story.

 

[wizards8507]

If you defend yourself, you get the death penalty

I'll discuss no-knock warrants with you all day long but that story has literally nothing to do with race. Also, there's no way that guy actually GETS the death penalty. No chance.

 

[Booslum31]

Wilson will get away with it but Brown wasn't committing a crime when he was killed from more than 100 feet away. If the cops were in the right they would have told the truth the whole time and filed a police report. 6 witnesses wouldn't have had the same story.

I just think that we wait to hear what was told to the grand jury by all witnesses. This still can go either way.

 

[BobD]

Title, Neither Darren Wilson or Michael Brown went into this as appointed representatives of their racial community. Their actions don't speak for others. Most white cops are good people and most black men are also good people. That doesn't change because of, or depending on the outcome of this incident.

 

[Booslum31]

Title, Neither Darren Wilson or Michael Brown went into this as appointed representatives of their racial community. Their actions don't speak for others. Most white cops are good people and most black men are also good people. That doesn't change because of, or depending on the outcome of this incident.

Good point BobD!

 

[autry_denson]

Ok since offered it life skills don't involve how to act with police . Teach them not to steal, teach them morals, change the African American culture to do better go to a tech school learn a skill. Make the. Accountable, show them trust that's how you fix this.

this discussion has devolved into something resembling caricature at this point.

 

[autry_denson]

Ok since offered it life skills don't involve how to act with police . Teach them not to steal, teach them morals, change the African American culture to do better go to a tech school learn a skill. Make the. Accountable, show them trust that's how you fix this.

#1 reason, as reported by officers, for stopping, questioning and/or frisking people in NYC is "furtive movement." so you gotta throw in at least one class, while you're teaching them morals, to teach them how to make sure that their movements are not seen as furtive.

 

[kmoose]

#1 reason, as reported by officers, for stopping, questioning and/or frisking people in NYC is "furtive movement." so you gotta throw in at least one class, while you're teaching them morals, to teach them how to make sure that their movements are not seen as furtive.

I'm not saying that anyone should be teaching morals classes, but if you read about the class that Title posted about; what's your take on it? Not "Will it end all of the problems?" or anything like that. But more like, "Do you think it could be of value? If so, how much?"

 

[autry_denson]

I'm not saying that anyone should be teaching morals classes, but if you read about the class that Title posted about; what's your take on it? Not "Will it end all of the problems?" or anything like that. But more like, "Do you think it could be of value? If so, how much?"

the data on every stop/question/frisk that is reported by officers in NYC is publicly available, you can download it and analyze it right now if you've got a basic stats software package. what the data show, unequivocally, is that the kids that live in the n'hoods where this class is being taught are highly likely to be stopped on a fairly regular basis, no matter their involvement with crime.

this is true in a city where violence has dropped by about 75% since the early 1990s; at that time there were 2200+ homicides each year and last year there were 333. it is the safest big city in the country.

given the fact that violence has plummeted and stop and frisk activity has continued to escalate (until the De Blasio admin took over at least), it seems reasonable to think that it may be useful to teach kids how to respond when they're stopped by an officer. Most people who don't live in poor, racially/ethnically segregated n'hoods don't need to be taught about strategies for interacting with cops when stopped, b/c we rarely get stopped for no reason - if we do interact w an officer, we're usually in a car. that's not true for these kids. it's a reality of their lives, as the data make very clear that they will be in this situation on a frequent basis. If the interaction goes badly, we know with certainty that very bad things can happen.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Cops say that Michael Brown was killed around 35 feet away from the car, and that's why Wilson had the reason to fear for his life. Uhhhh

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[BGIF]

Why haven't we heard from Ferguson grand jury? - CNN.com

By Steve Almasy, CNN
updated 5:34 PM EST, Sun November 23, 2014

 

[BGIF]

Is Ferguson grand jury close to deciding? - CNN.com

The 12-member grand jury is deciding whether Wilson should be charged with any one of several possible crimes, including: first-degree murder, second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter, said Ed Magee, spokesman for the prosecuting attorney's office.
The grand jury can issue an indictment on any of those four charges, and it also has the option of adding a charge of armed criminal action, authorities said.
At the same time, the grand jury will receive the Missouri statutes for self-defense and the police use of deadly force. It may choose not to indict Wilson.
For weeks, the prosecutors' office in St. Louis County has said there likely would be a decision by mid-November.
But the grand jury still has plenty of time left if it needs it. The deadline to decide is January 7.