Rioting in St Louis

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm not saying that you are wrong, I am just questioning if you are conflating varying news reports, and directly attributing those differences to Wilson's own words. As far as I am aware, investigators and those on the grand jury are the only people who know exactly what Wilson's official statement was and/or is.

I am comparing between the detective's initial report and the leaked Wilson testimonies.

Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him : News

Page 2 of this is the initial: Pdf : PDF: Autopsy report for Michael Brown : News

 

[kmoose]

I am comparing between the detective's initial report and the leaked Wilson testimonies.

Source: Darren Wilson says Michael Brown kept charging at him : News

Page 2 of this is the initial: Pdf : PDF: Autopsy report for Michael Brown : News

And leaks are always accurate........ especially when they support your preconceived conclusions, huh?

 

[T Town Tommy]

What solutions? What is with your strawman arguments about black community leaders? There is no king of the black people, like people think Sharpton is. There are many solutions being posted. Just because people ignore them doesn't mean it's not happening. Body cams on cops, more money for education, better after-school programs for innercity kids, getting rid of the ridiculous War on Drugs. All of these are solutions.

The solution is also on the cops to stop shooting black people in the back, like Darrien Hunt. To not immediately fire regardless of the situation like they did with John Crawford.

Also suggesting I said all white people are in the Klan is some weird shit and trolling.

It really starts with the family unit. I know most don't want to hear that but it's the truth. Too many children born out of wedlock. Too many children growing up without a father figure in their life. Too many single moms who need to keep their legs closed. Too many "fathers" who want only one thing - and sadly, too many females wanting to give it to them.

Until this behavior stops, there isn't any "social" program gonna stop it. There has been more money poured in to disadvantaged neighborhoods for the better part of 50 years. And for what? Those communities are no better off today than they were then.

Education? It is really sad when an educated black person is vilified in their own community by their own people. Success isn't measured by how many years one attends school in order to try to break generational curses of welfare and poverty. It is measured in the latest fashion, rap music video, smart phone, and car one is driving.

Stop making babies out of wedlock. Stop peddling drugs on every street corner. Stop trying to impress your chump as* buddies by the cars you drive, the clothes you wear, and the women you bed. Start acting like a damn as* grown adult. Be a spokesman for those in your family and in your neighborhood. Hold each other accountable. Get an education. Celebrate a kid when they break the curse instead of vilifying them in the community. Take advantage of all the systems out there already in place to move a people forward.

Get involved. Vote for those in your community that don't play race cards and have the community at heart. There is no reason why inner cities can't be moved forward by the people that live there. But until the "victim" mentality and race trading chumps continue to get all the admiration from those "victims" we will sadly be talking about this for the next 50 years.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Cite those forensics, because you are wrong. Forensics only prove where he was shot and the shot in the car, which change nothing. Nothing has been disputing by the Crenshaw and Johnson witness testimonies.

There have been over 100 days of peaceful protesting in Ferguson. Since you probably have not been paying attention to the protests, they have been happening every day since the shooting. One day of looting, over 100 days of peaceful protesting.

Three forensic examiners came to the same conclusions about the incident. The only one who was slightly different was Baden who was employed by those with Brown's interest at heart.

As far as looting, protests, etc., I guess I didn't watch night after night of protests with police on my tv. I guess that was just a figment of my imagination.

 

[Nick Setta]

It really starts with the family unit. I know most don't want to hear that but it's the truth. Too many children born out of wedlock. Too many children growing up without a father figure in their life. Too many single moms who need to keep their legs closed. Too many "fathers" who want only one thing - and sadly, too many females wanting to give it to them.

Until this behavior stops, there isn't any "social" program gonna stop it. There has been more money poured in to disadvantaged neighborhoods for the better part of 50 years. And for what? Those communities are no better off today than they were then.

Education? It is really sad when an educated black person is vilified in their own community by their own people. Success isn't measured by how many years one attends school in order to try to break generational curses of welfare and poverty. It is measured in the latest fashion, rap music video, smart phone, and car one is driving.

Stop making babies out of wedlock. Stop peddling drugs on every street corner. Stop trying to impress your chump as* buddies by the cars you drive, the clothes you wear, and the women you bed. Start acting like a damn as* grown adult. Be a spokesman for those in your family and in your neighborhood. Hold each other accountable. Get an education. Celebrate a kid when they break the curse instead of vilifying them in the community. Take advantage of all the systems out there already in place to move a people forward.

Get involved. Vote for those in your community that don't play race cards and have the community at heart. There is no reason why inner cities can't be moved forward by the people that live there. But until the "victim" mentality and race trading chumps continue to get all the admiration from those "victims" we will sadly be talking about this for the next 50 years.

Are you pro-choice or pro-life?

 

[T Town Tommy]

Are you pro-choice or pro-life?

I am pro-life although that really has nothing to do with what I posted.

Thanks for negative repping me and calling me a racist.

 

[Nick Setta]

I am pro-life although that really has nothing to do with what I posted.

It kinda does, though a lot of the problems you were talking about could be prevented if there was more of an incentive to not have many kids, or in some cases have an abortion. But that will never happen/nor should it happen.

 

[T Town Tommy]

It kinda does, though a lot of the problems you were talking about could be prevented if there was more of an incentive to not have many kids, or in some cases have an abortion. But that will never happen/nor should it happen.

I don't believe having abortions is the answer for issues facing inner city communities. Having children is a personal decision and one hopefully based on the simple fact as to whether the parents can support the children. And abortion is not the answer if they can't, or won't. Abstinence is.

 

[Nick Setta]

I don't believe having abortions is the answer for issues facing inner city communities. Having children is a personal decision and one hopefully based on the simple fact as to whether the parents can support the children. And abortion is not the answer if they can't, or won't. Abstinence is.

Well yeah but that's never going to happen.

 

[Irish Insanity]

And OJ got away with murder............... twice. That f'in racist American Justice System!

At least he made it to trial. This white cop may not.

*I'm not taking sides. Nor do I want in on the arguments. However, it's still a point.

 

[Booslum31]

It really starts with the family unit. I know most don't want to hear that but it's the truth. Too many children born out of wedlock. Too many children growing up without a father figure in their life. Too many single moms who need to keep their legs closed. Too many "fathers" who want only one thing - and sadly, too many females wanting to give it to them.

Until this behavior stops, there isn't any "social" program gonna stop it. There has been more money poured in to disadvantaged neighborhoods for the better part of 50 years. And for what? Those communities are no better off today than they were then.

Education? It is really sad when an educated black person is vilified in their own community by their own people. Success isn't measured by how many years one attends school in order to try to break generational curses of welfare and poverty. It is measured in the latest fashion, rap music video, smart phone, and car one is driving.

Stop making babies out of wedlock. Stop peddling drugs on every street corner. Stop trying to impress your chump as* buddies by the cars you drive, the clothes you wear, and the women you bed. Start acting like a damn as* grown adult. Be a spokesman for those in your family and in your neighborhood. Hold each other accountable. Get an education. Celebrate a kid when they break the curse instead of vilifying them in the community. Take advantage of all the systems out there already in place to move a people forward.

Get involved. Vote for those in your community that don't play race cards and have the community at heart. There is no reason why inner cities can't be moved forward by the people that live there. But until the "victim" mentality and race trading chumps continue to get all the admiration from those "victims" we will sadly be talking about this for the next 50 years.

Well said Tommy...I'm right there with you.

 

[kmoose]

At least he made it to trial. This white cop may not.

*I'm not taking sides. Nor do I want in on the arguments. However, it's still a point.

True.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

That post is all messed up. Stop selling drugs like it's that easy to get off of drug dependence. Like it's that easy to get an education with underfunded schools with poor nutrition and a poor home life. That just brushed off any institutionalized racism, the War on Drugs, any outside sources. Just "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." This vilification of education is a mostly imaginary problem that is only backed by scattered anecdotal facts. There's too much wrong in that post to fathom.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The get involved is a fun counter to the ID disenfranchising that is plaguing the community. Laws are being passed to keep people from voting. That's just an example of how that post ignored outside causes.

 

[BobD]

Now the press is trying to pressure an announcement. There is no good time to do it. During the day kids are at school etc.

 

[BobD]

It's sad because we all know the press is hoping things aren't peaceful.

 

[T Town Tommy]

That post is all messed up. Stop selling drugs like it's that easy to get off of drug dependence. Like it's that easy to get an education with underfunded schools with poor nutrition and a poor home life. That just brushed off any institutionalized racism, the War on Drugs, any outside sources. Just "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." This vilification of education is a mostly imaginary problem that is only backed by scattered anecdotal facts. There's too much wrong in that post to fathom.

Never said things would be easy. But it does start with the individual and individual choices. Stop idolizing the gangster rap lifestyle and start celebrating those that have made it out of that environment. Stop selling drugs to those dependent on them. Seek help from the thousands of organizations designed to help people with dependency.

Education? More money is spent today on education that at any time in our country's past. So money isn't the issue. The importance placed on education is way more important than dollars spent on it. And when vilification of successful African Americans by other African Americans can be seen in things such as professional sports,( see R. Wilson) then it exists within all other areas of African American life.

This country was built by those who "pulled up their bootstraps." And I myself am a product of that as I was just as poor, or poorer, than many now living in poverty. I had a choice to make - either continue that way of life which included alcohol abuse, extreme poverty, not having enough food or clothes to get by most of the time, and on and on. Or I could blame everybody else for holding down this "poor white trash" kid. I chose to do something about it. Me. I. Not the government. Not somebody else fighting for me. Me.

Time for people to decide whether they want to change their lives, better themselves, accept responsibility for their actions, try to better the lives of their children, etc. It isn't easy. But it is doable. I am living proof.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Money is exactly the issue. Inner city schoolso have less experienced, less qualified, and underpaid teachers. Black students do not have the same opportunity has white students.

You don't know anything about hip-hop so I won't go too deep into that, but hip-hop is celebrating the people who made it out. Hip-hop is a voice for the voiceless. This negative view of hip-hop shows ignorance on the culture in general.

"Stop having sex" is meaningless advice. It won't happen. It's especially worse for black kids who have been given a negative body image through popular media. Furthermore, abstinence only education is proven to not work.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

The press conferencenter showed a major problem. Property mentioned constantly, Michael Brown mentioned once.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Rioting in St Louis

Money is exactly the issue. Inner city schoolso have less experienced, less qualified, and underpaid teachers.

This is factually incorrect. Inner city school teachers are among the highest paid in every state.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Money is exactly the issue. Inner city schoolso have less experienced, less qualified, and underpaid teachers. Black students do not have the same opportunity has white students.

You don't know anything about hip-hop so I won't go too deep into that, but hip-hop is celebrating the people who made it out. Hip-hop is a voice for the voiceless. This negative view of hip-hop shows ignorance on the culture in general.

"Stop having sex" is meaningless advice. It won't happen. It's especially worse for black kids who have been given a negative body image through popular media. Furthermore, abstinence only education is proven to not work.

I know that your response contains nothing more than excuses.

Money is not the issue with education. More money is spent today - even in inner cities - than at any time in the history of this nation. Are there underperforming teachers out there? Yes. And sadly, most are protected by unions. But there are examples after examples of inner city children excelling at education because either they and/or people in their lives put an emphasis on it. Money is far from the problem.

Hip Hop music celebrates many things. But to state that a lot Hip Hop music doesn't celebrate the gangster lifestyle is ridiculous.

Having sex? Bottom line is this: If you want to have sex and have babies then be prepared to take care of them. One should not expect the government to take care of them. Be an adult. It isn't easy. But it goes back to my original "racist" post. The family unit, along with education, is the largest keys as to whether a child grows up and becomes successful. If people can't get that right - and choose to continue to have sex and children while skirting their responsibilities - then there isn't much anyone can do to help them. They gotta help themselves first. If they aren't willing to "pull up their own bootstraps" then they can't expect anyone else to for them. It starts with the individual.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Rioting in St Louis

Money is not the issue with education. More money is spent today - even in inner cities - than at any time in the history of this nation. Are there underperforming teachers out there? Yes. And sadly, most are protected by unions. But there are examples after examples of inner city children excelling at education because either they and/or people in their lives put an emphasis on it. Money is far from the problem.

More money is being thrown at failing inner city schools than any others right now. It's actually mind-blowing how much really is.

 

[BobD]

If I was going outside to peacefully gather with my community and it wasn't Halloween, I wonder what mask or bandana I'd wear over my face?

 

[T Town Tommy]

More money is being thrown at failing inner city schools than any others right now. It's actually mind-blowing how much really is.

Yep. My son will graduate soon as a secondary ed teacher and the money being thrown at him to teach in the inner cities is tremendous as well.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Yep. My son will graduate soon as a secondary ed teacher and the money being thrown at him to teach in the inner cities is tremendous as well.

That's the thing: not many people would work there if they weren't offering higher salaries.

 

[T Town Tommy]

That's the thing: not many people would work there if they weren't offering higher salaries.

Agree.

 

[wizards8507]

If I was going outside to peacefully gather with my community and it wasn't Halloween, I wonder what mask or bandana over my face I'd wear?

You'd probably say something normal and social like "no justice, no peace."

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Agree.

I've done the inner city routine for the better part of 10 years, and I'm about ready to get out. I'll be taking a $10k pay cut to go to the burbs, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I've done the inner city routine for the better part of 10 years, and I'm about ready to get out. I'll be taking a $10k pay cut to go to the burbs, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Don't know what my son will do just yet. He is looking in to Internantional teaching as well. I want him to stick close to home but it's his decision in the end. I do applaud all teachers who are willing to help make a difference in young people's lives.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Don't know what my son will do just yet. He is looking in to Internantional teaching as well. I want him to stick close to home but it's his decision in the end. I do applaud all teachers who are willing to help make a difference in young people's lives.

The key is to be where you want to retire (state) before the end of your first 5 years. I had a very difficult time rolling my retirement from Arizona into one for Indiana. Every state is different, and it's a mess when you move.