2016 Presidential Horse Race

[phgreek]

SIPA

Found this quiz yesterday and thought it was interesting. If you take the quiz make sure you click on the question so you know what support and object actually mean for that question. The first time I took it I got Tim Kaine at 38%, then went back and read the definition of the answer. The second time I was Joe Biden 53%.

VoteMatch Quiz

For the record, I believe this to more of a fun quiz rather than who you most associate with in the political world. These politicians probably answered these questions as they knew they should not how they actually feel.

Trump 48%
Gary Johnson 33%
Pants Suit Lucifer 8%

Top Match Carly Fiorina at 55%
First (D) on my list was Joe Biden

 

[GoIrish41]

Top of the board

Stein 70%
Warren 68%
Biden 63%
Bernie 63%
Hillary 58%
Obama 55%
Kaine 50%

Bottom of the board

Santorum 0%
Cruz 3%
Jindal 5%
Rubio 5%
Trump 5%
Pence 5%
Fiorina 8%
Graham 8%

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Top 8:

• Chris Christie 50%
• Hillary Clinton 48%
• Barack Obama 45%
• Joe Biden 43%
• Martin O'Malley 38%
• Rand Paul 38%

Bottom 6:

• Donald Trump 15%
• Lindsey Graham 15%
• Bobby Jindahl 15%
• Roseanne Barr 13%
• Marco Rubio 13%
• Mike Pence 10%

This quiz is not very nuanced but it further drives home the point that I have no candidate.

 

[pkt77242]

For me

Biden 68%
Clinton 68%
Obama 65%
Kaine 63%


Trump 0%
Huckabee 5%
Cruz 5%

I am shocked.....

I still wish the Dems were running a ticket of Kaine/Julian Castro.

 

[wizards8507]

EDIT: I retook after clicking the links and clarifying what they meant on a few of these. My new results:

75% Rand Paul
70% Mike Pence
60% Gary Johnson / Ben Carson / Ted Cruz / Marco Rubio

15% HRC / Bernie Sanders
13% Jill Stein
10% Tim Kaine

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Rand Paul 55%
Ted Cruz 55%
Marco Rubio 50%

Hillary Clinton 13%
Jill Stein 8%

There's hope for you yet!

 

[NDJimmy]

Trump is a blivet

 

[connor_in]

Top 8:

• Chris Christie 50%
• Hillary Clinton 48%
• Barack Obama 45%
• Joe Biden 43%
• Martin O'Malley 38%
• Rand Paul 38%

Bottom 6:

• Donald Trump 15%
• Lindsey Graham 15%
• Bobby Jindahl 15%
• Roseanne Barr 13%
• Marco Rubio 13%
• Mike Pence 10%

This quiz is not very nuanced but it further drives home the point that I have no candidate.

...and that you apparently can't count to 8

 

[ACamp1900]

...and that you apparently can't count to 8

I wondered why Obama was so high for him......

 

[ulukinatme]

SIPA

Found this quiz yesterday and thought it was interesting. If you take the quiz make sure you click on the question so you know what support and object actually mean for that question. The first time I took it I got Tim Kaine at 38%, then went back and read the definition of the answer. The second time I was Joe Biden 53%.

VoteMatch Quiz

For the record, I believe this to more of a fun quiz rather than who you most associate with in the political world. These politicians probably answered these questions as they knew they should not how they actually feel.

I think I did something wrong....

Top 4:

Chuck Norris 110%
Arnold Schwarzenegger 88%
Stone Cold Steve Austin 55%
Jesse "The Body" Ventura 30%


Bottom 4:

My neighbor 4%
Phil Collins 4%
Your mom 1%
Hillary Duff 1%


I'm j/k....I replaced Rubio with Ventura

 

[pkt77242]

I wondered why Obama was so high for him......

I thought that Trump loved the "poorly educated".

 

[connor_in]

I think I did something wrong....

Top 4:

Chuck Norris 110%
Arnold Schwarzenegger 88%
Stone Cold Steve Austin 55%
Jesse "The Body" Ventura 30%


Bottom 4:

My neighbor 4%
Phil Collins 4%
Your mom 1%
Hillary Duff 1%


I'm j/k....I replaced Rubio with Ventura

Personally I wouldn't mind Hilary Duff on bottom

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[pkt77242]

Personally I wouldn't mind Hilary Duff on bottom

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Or on top.

 

[ulukinatme]

Personally I wouldn't mind Hilary Duff on bottom

Cannot rep you again yet

 

[phgreek]

EXCLUSIVE – NSA Architect: Agency Has ALL of Clinton’s Deleted Emails

Welp...that didn't take long.

So should we have those emails???

If we do, should they be something that can be gotten via subpoena or directly by the FBI?

If so, what impact is that to privacy, because I can guarantee no one had a fucking warrant when the emails were "attained".

This is exactly why we can't trust our government to store ANYTHING...they are either too stupid to protect the data, as Mrs. Clinton would have us believe, or, all it takes is someone in government to be pissed at someone else...now imagine if the person were pissed at the common Joe...I'm sorry this seals it for me...the government needs a pretty big gutting and overhaul.

...and Pants Suit Lucifer isn't the agent of change here.

 

[phgreek]

U.S. Sent Cash to Iran as Americans Were Freed - WSJ

...according to Kirby, the payments were not related...because he knows there is no penalty for any lie in any forum...

They paid ransom. They paid ransom to get their dismal approval ratings up. They did not rescue anyone...they condemned other innocents who do not know they are ransom bait. Horrible.

Mrs Clinton will do more of the same.

 

[wizards8507]

Conservatism’s Moral Crisis: Defending Trump’s Lies | National Review

If you believe that the only solution to America’s problems is true conservatism, your greatest fear is not a Hillary presidency: It’s the perversion of the conservative movement itself, the corruption of conservatism in favor of power. Hillary Clinton’s presidency does not snuff out conservatism, even though it provides a serious danger to the republic. Trump’s presidency does.

Why? Because conservatives are already tailoring their morality, decency, and political sense to fit Trumpism. We’ve already seen supposed conservative “thought leaders” go silent when Trump does something unthinkable; we’ve already seen Chris “Shinebox” Christie and Reince “The Enforcer” Priebus and Newt “Dude, Who Stole My VP Slot?” Gingrich embrace the Trump-or-bust logic that puts conservatism under the wheels of the Trump Train.

...

What Trump supporters really mean when they say that failure to vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary is that anything we do that doesn’t help Trump harms him. In other words, we are only morally decent if we turn into full-scale Trump defenders. It’s no longer sufficient to call things as we see them — we must become Trumpkins. If we point out that Trump’s attack on the Kahn family is both stupid and morally debased, that puts us in league with Hillary. If we state that Trump ought to spend less time cozying up to Vladimir Putin and more time standing up to him, that means that we’re Clinton-philes.

 

[phgreek]

Conservatism’s Moral Crisis: Defending Trump’s Lies | National Review

I don't think you have to defend Trump one iota to come to the conclusion that anyone is a better choice than Hillary Clinton, and Trump represents the best chance of blocking her bid to the white house.

What I think Trump might do in a position of trust has nothing to do with what I KNOW Hillary Clinton has done, and how those things, in my mind, disqualify her from being Commander in Chief.

 

[EddytoNow]

I don't think you have to defend Trump one iota to come to the conclusion that anyone is a better choice than Hillary Clinton, and Trump represents the best chance of blocking her bid to the white house.

What I think Trump might do in a position of trust has nothing to do with what I KNOW Hillary Clinton has done, and how those things, in my mind, disqualify her from being Commander in Chief.

Everyone is entitled to vote however they want, but I'm afraid the majority of the country is slowly beginning to see the real Trump. And they don't like what they see. Hillary's post-convention bounce in the polls is at least partially due to the stupid things Trump has been saying over the past week. As election day gets closer, the country will begin to look more seriously at the two candidates. Hillary is certainly a flawed candidate, but Trump's lack of compassion, his disrespect, and his bigotry will be his downfall. The question is "How many Republicans will he take down with him?"

 

[wizards8507]

I don't think you have to defend Trump one iota to come to the conclusion that anyone is a better choice than Hillary Clinton, and Trump represents the best chance of blocking her bid to the white house.

What I think Trump might do in a position of trust has nothing to do with what I KNOW Hillary Clinton has done, and how those things, in my mind, disqualify her from being Commander in Chief.

You and I have different ideas about what Trump is capable of. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be as terrible as Clinton, but his "worst case scenario" is far worse than hers, IMO.

Hillary is like taking a class in school and you know you'll get a C-. Trump is like taking the class and there's a 75% chance you'll get a C+ but a 25% chance you'd get a zero. Is it worth taking the risk?

 

[Irish Insanity]

#M.A.G.A #DumpTrump

 

[ulukinatme]

You and I have different ideas about what Trump is capable of. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be as terrible as Clinton, but his "worst case scenario" is far worse than hers, IMO.

Hillary is like taking a class in school and you know you'll get a C-. Trump is like taking the class and there's a 75% chance you'll get a C+ but a 25% chance you'd get a zero. Is it worth taking the risk?

I think it's a lot to assume Hillary would even get a passing grade. That's not to say Trump is getting one either.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I have spent a little time with this Hillary - email - FBI thing. Not to really jump down the rabbit hole, just to see what level the wrongdoing attributed to this whole affair is.

So what I got, and correct me if I am wrong, is that sensitive, and top secret information was implied or sent on the server. It wasn't indicated that it was sent by Hillary, and was most likely sent to her. And there was a time factor, it may or may not have been deemed top secret at the time it was sent.

At any rate the FBI director decided that the law had not been broken. (Stupid, I've got it; hate the bitch; I really do understand; but not actually meeting the threshold of breaking a law.)

Now, this is a big issue for Republicans. Upon its merit may rest the whole 2016 election chances of Donald Trump.

But here is what I don't get. At all. Some of these same Republicans, public figures, political operatives, even IE members, that are calling for blood on this Hillary issue, didn't have a single problem with Scooter leaking the name of an undercover CIA operative! #Fuckingunbelievable! And not only did the FBI and AG, feel that Scooters little thing was illegal, he was convicted in a court of law. And to make matters worse his boss, the Republican President and beneficiary pardoned him!

I bring this up because multiple sources in numerous articles have noticed Trump tweets have fallen silent, as his new campaign mantra has been released, "My fear is the election will be rigged."

Wow, a happy life with no fear of reality intruding!

 

[BGIF]

WAPO Not The National Review, Gave Clinton 4 Pinocchios

WAPO Not The National Review, Gave Clinton 4 Pinocchios

Washington Post Fact Checker Gives Hillary Clinton Four Pinocchios for Claiming FBI Director Said Her Email Answers Were “Truthful�

by Don Irvine on August 1, 2016

...

The Pinocchio Test

As we have seen repeatedly in Clinton’s explanations of the email controversy, she relies on excessively technical and legalistic answers to explain her actions. While Comey did say there was no evidence she lied to the FBI, that is not the same as saying she told the truth to the American public—which was the point of Wallace’s question. Comey has repeatedly not taken a stand on her public statements.

And although Comey did say many emails were retroactively classified, he also said that there were some emails that were already classified that should not have been sent on an unclassified, private server. That’s the uncomfortable truth that Clinton has trouble admitting.”

It’s that aversion to the truth that has contributed to her very high untrustworthiness numbers, and which could derail her quest to become the first female U.S. president.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yeah, I know. But read the article. It is where I got most of my information.

My understanding to paraphrase is that Hillary has a character flaw that enables her to tell a white lie when she would be embarrassed to admit to the truth.

I wouldn't disagree.

But the article stops the whole process of criminalizing Hillary when it admits that the FBI director didn't feel she committed a crime.

Get this : The people that want to criminalize Hillary are making the same moral misjudgment she did when she told the lie that the article describes!

 

[phgreek]

You and I have different ideas about what Trump is capable of. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be as terrible as Clinton, but his "worst case scenario" is far worse than hers, IMO.

Hillary is like taking a class in school and you know you'll get a C-. Trump is like taking the class and there's a 75% chance you'll get a C+ but a 25% chance you'd get a zero. Is it worth taking the risk?

I like that you think in terms of risk matrices. It resonates with me for sure. I believe the catastrophic outcomes of Trump (25% chance) are mitigated by those he seems to be surrounding himself with, and the fact that Republicans in congress are just as motivated to reign him in as Democrats. The guy is a complete dick...blowhard...but he is transparent, and largely playing checkers when everyone else is playing Chess...the damage thing...meh.

As for Clinton, I can't help but apply my life experience to this, as I am sure you are doing. I'm not saying mine is better. As is obvious I know mine.

In every single instance where I chose to allow a people problem to continue for fear of the alternative being worse, the problem created more damage than I thought it could. In instances where I was decisive, principled, and addressed the problem...yea I struggled a bit early on, but I never regretted the results. It is my personality and my experience screaming No More Clinton. Folks can dismiss it as partisan...I really don't care. Based on what I know of her, I need to know no more.

 

[BGIF]

How 'bout that JV!

How 'bout that JV!

ISIS Has Expanded to 18 Countries Since U.S. Military Campaign Began - NBC News

... and Hillary's plan is to continue the current plan of action.

And these 18 countries don't include Germany, France, UK, nor USA.


Terror map shows spread of ISIS across globe | On Air Videos | Fox News

 

[ACamp1900]

ISIS Has Expanded to 18 Countries Since U.S. Military Campaign Began - NBC News

... and Hillary's plan is to continue the current plan of action.

with or without the 400 million cash???

 

[MJ12666]

I have spent a little time with this Hillary - email - FBI thing. Not to really jump down the rabbit hole, just to see what level the wrongdoing attributed to this whole affair is.

So what I got, and correct me if I am wrong, is that sensitive, and top secret information was implied or sent on the server. It wasn't indicated that it was sent by Hillary, and was most likely sent to her. And there was a time factor, it may or may not have been deemed top secret at the time it was sent.

At any rate the FBI director decided that the law had not been broken. (Stupid, I've got it; hate the bitch; I really do understand; but not actually meeting the threshold of breaking a law.)

Now, this is a big issue for Republicans. Upon its merit may rest the whole 2016 election chances of Donald Trump.

But here is what I don't get. At all. Some of these same Republicans, public figures, political operatives, even IE members, that are calling for blood on this Hillary issue, didn't have a single problem with Scooter leaking the name of an undercover CIA operative! #Fuckingunbelievable! And not only did the FBI and AG, feel that Scooters little thing was illegal, he was convicted in a court of law. And to make matters worse his boss, the Republican President and beneficiary pardoned him!

I bring this up because multiple sources in numerous articles have noticed Trump tweets have fallen silent, as his new campaign mantra has been released, "My fear is the election will be rigged."

Wow, a happy life with no fear of reality intruding!

Probably because Scooter was not the source of the leak. Richard Armitage was the leak.

CNN.com - Armitage admits leaking Plame's identity - Sep 8, 2006

 

[phgreek]

Yeah, I know. But read the article. It is where I got most of my information.

My understanding to paraphrase is that Hillary has a character flaw that enables her to tell a white lie when she would be embarrassed to admit to the truth.

I wouldn't disagree.

But the article stops the whole process of criminalizing Hillary when it admits that the FBI director didn't feel she committed a crime.

Get this : The people that want to criminalize Hillary are making the same moral misjudgment she did when she told the lie that the article describes!

I disagree...the only reason she did not get indicted is that "intent" was applied where there was no such language. You can argue all you want about the justification, but the laws that are applied to military people every day, and common folks everyday do not require "intent"...thats what fucking reckless and negligent behavior is, and it can be criminal.