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phgreek

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When did he do that? When did he say anything about how the father treats his wife?



Well?

What The Media Is Not Telling You About The Muslim Who Attacked Donald Trump: He Is A Muslim Brotherhood Agent Who Wants To Advance Sharia Law And Bring Muslims Into The United States | Walid Shoebat





And how does that equate to attacking/insulting the Khan family?



Perhaps they have, but that still doesn't rise to the level of "attacking" or "insulting" the Khan family, in my opinion.

I don't know...I really think the issue is challenging them in any way on a political level. AND BTW he did say something about the wife not speaking in an interview the next day...saw that.

Yes Mrs. Clinton left the impression she thought Pat Smith a liar...yes no one spent 4 days on it...but Mrs. Clinton appeared compassionate while she called her a liar...I guess.

Point is, there is a line regarding Gold star families...

I think W. did a good job with the Shaheen? lady, if one needs an example of how to deal with that type issue.
 

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But it's ok to say the Benghazi parents/spouses don't know what they are talking about.
 
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This is a great example on speaking to specific audiences. Conservatives, and I think most Americans as a whole unfortunately, hear "Sharia law" and think it's a codified set of universal Muslim laws that are ass-backward and barbaric.

Sharia law isn't a specific thing. It's a framework for life that varies among Muslim countries/communities. "Sharia law" means something very different to a Muslim in SE Asia vs the Middle East, and obvious it's diverse within that. The law aspect is also a weird lost-in-translation because we're talking about a religion/cultures/ethnicities that often don't have independent legal systems.

The Trump campaign attempted to use this triggering phrase and it's rather embarrassing.

Some decent reading:

Pew Research ... Most Muslims want Sharia law... but nobody agrees on what that is. - Skeptical Science
In Defense of Sharia Law | The National Interest
Why is Islam so different in different countries?
 

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But it's ok to say the Benghazi parents/spouses don't know what they are talking about.

Yes it is...when you have a (D) next to your name. It is ALWAYS going to be that way in the media. Anyone recall Candy Crowly diving in to save Mr. Obama in a debate...rather he needed saving is debatable...that she did it is NOT! There is no pretense of fairness anymore.

Trump and Republicans need to grow up... That is the reality on the ground...you either have the skills and intellect to deal with it, or you don't...but short of targeting network producers for a good ass beating every time they pull their partisan shit...what ya got is, sharpen your message, and stay on topic.
 

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This is a great example on speaking to specific audiences. Conservatives, and I think most Americans as a whole unfortunately, hear "Sharia law" and think it's a codified set of universal Muslim laws that are ass-backward and barbaric.

Sharia law isn't a specific thing. It's a framework for life that varies among Muslim countries/communities. "Sharia law" means something very different to a Muslim in SE Asia vs the Middle East, and obvious it's diverse within that. The law aspect is also a weird lost-in-translation because we're talking about a religion/cultures/ethnicities that often don't have independent legal systems.


But you can't have it both ways. If supporting Sharia Law could mean a whole host of benign and even positive things, then you can't say that it is "attacking" or "insulting" to point out that someone supports it.
 

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This is a great example on speaking to specific audiences. Conservatives, and I think most Americans as a whole unfortunately, hear "Sharia law" and think it's a codified set of universal Muslim laws that are ass-backward and barbaric.

Sharia law isn't a specific thing. It's a framework for life that varies among Muslim countries/communities. "Sharia law" means something very different to a Muslim in SE Asia vs the Middle East, and obvious it's diverse within that. The law aspect is also a weird lost-in-translation because we're talking about a religion/cultures/ethnicities that often don't have independent legal systems.

The Trump campaign attempted to use this triggering phrase and it's rather embarrassing.

Some decent reading:

Pew Research ... Most Muslims want Sharia law... but nobody agrees on what that is. - Skeptical Science
In Defense of Sharia Law | The National Interest
Why is Islam so different in different countries?

This is a lot like saying that Christians want their legal system to based on a literal interpret ion of scripture, only thing is there is no literal interpretation... Everyone disagrees!

Whether or not their is agreement on everything between biblical fundamentalists, its novel to start arguing that there is nothing that can be gleaned from a person supporting that. It's this constantly shifting argument with citations that makes everyone suspicious that the real criteria is "it's smart and good if a Democrat did it."

Even if their weren't, the article Mr Khan wrote was on why he thought one particular school of Sharia could be treated as authentic.

But you can't have it both ways. If supporting Sharia Law could mean a whole host of benign and even positive things, then you can't say that it is "attacking" or "insulting" to point out that someone supports it.

At least insofar as it makes no sense to advocate for it as the basis for a legal system, to cite a specific school of it, and then to claim it has no meaning-- "well then why wasn't your article incoherent?!"

The whole argument is over-reductionist. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful people that want the same things everyone else does, but that doesn't mean that Islam is a religion that just teaches peace and tolerance between all people.

I mean goodness gracious, we call out Christians in this country for their sexist and homophobic positions all the time. Why should Islam meet modern standards, top to bottom, as a matter of indisputable fact?
 
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Many years ago I was a Nielsen Household. It was interesting how my viewing habits shifted when I knew that I was being monitored.

In my 64 years I've never been called for jury duty – kind of a bummer, I would look forward to it. My son, on the other hand, was called twice by the time he was 25.

He wasn't empaneled in either case.

Busy day yesterday so I wasn't on much. We too were a Nielsen household in the 90's. I had small kids in the house at the time and you are right, your viewing habits are different. We were way more intentional about watching shows we liked to make sure they received good ratings, even if it meant turning off that stupid purple dinosaur for awhile.
 

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You've sunken to a new low. Are you really insinuating that the Clintons are responsible for 46 deaths over the past 30 years? Your referenced article is right-wing trash.
It's pretty common on the Web and has been referenced a couple times in this thread. I thought most had been debunked.

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Mr. Khan has asked that he and his wife be left alone. Let's respect that and move on.
 

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You've sunken to a new low. Are you really insinuating that the Clintons are responsible for 46 deaths over the past 30 years? Your referenced article is right-wing trash.

I didn't think it needed any commentary, that it is eye-roll worthy. No, I'm not insinuating that the Clintons are responsible for 46 deaths over the past 30 years.
 

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It's pretty common on the Web and has been referenced a couple times in this thread. I thought most had been debunked.

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Of course ... because the liberal media refuses to cover the murderous, decades-long rampage of the Clintons.
 

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How about trying to compare "sacrifices"?

He didn't try to compare sacrifices. Khan's speech asked what sacrifices Trump has made for his country, and Trump replied that he has always worked hard, and in the course of working hard has made many sacrifices.
 

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Mr. Khan has asked that he and his wife be left alone. Let's respect that and move on.

Wait....WHAT!!!!!!!!! You insert yourself into the middle of a Presidential election and now you want to be left alone. This infuriates me more than anything Trump has said or insinuated about them.
 

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Wait....WHAT!!!!!!!!! You insert yourself into the middle of a Presidential election and now you want to be left alone. This infuriates me more than anything Trump has said or insinuated about them.

Then you should probably seek professional help.
 

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Then you should probably seek professional help.

It's not an unfair point . He made his son's death political and now doesn't want to deal with the politics?

Doesn't really jive.

(obviously not agreeing with the statement about being more infuriating than anything Trump said)
 

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Wait....WHAT!!!!!!!!! You insert yourself into the middle of a Presidential election and now you want to be left alone. This infuriates me more than anything Trump has said or insinuated about them.

Eddy has two sets of standards. One for the D's and another one for the R's.
 

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It's not an unfair point . He made his son's death political and now doesn't want to deal with the politics?

Doesn't really jive.

(obviously not agreeing with the statement about being more infuriating than anything Trump said)

Your part in parentheses is the point, there is no reason to be more upset about that then Trump's comments. It is just a knee jerk reaction to defend Trump and if that actually infuriates him professional help might be needed.


As to Mr. Khan, part of the reason that he is in the middle of this election is because Trump is an idiot who has to respond to every slight and doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut. I have no problem with him wanting to avoid getting anymore involved than he already is at this time.
 

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Wait....WHAT!!!!!!!!! You insert yourself into the middle of a Presidential election and now you want to be left alone. This infuriates me more than anything Trump has said or insinuated about them.

He also allegedly took a check from Clinton Foundation for $350k to politicize his son's death... and now he has the balls to ask to be left alone. It's, at best, hypocritical... but at the same time, Trump is an absolute clown for how he has handled the whole thing. So as much as I don't like someone who tries to play politics and profit and then ask for privacy when there are unintended consequences, I'd rather side with him and his family than the Trump side of things.
 
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Mr. Khan has asked that he and his wife be left alone. Let's respect that and move on.

Trump reacted poorly to him. But this guy went on every show possible for about a week in a row smearing Trump. He's going to have to deal with people criticizing him.
 

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Hey Mr. Khan - Joe the Plumber says "hi". Lucky for him - Clinton looks like she has this in the bag so he won't have to worry about being audited. Complete joke to say you want to be left alone after whoring to the media for a couple weeks. Trump is handling it very poorly (shocking!) but the poor me BS is just that.
 

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Your part in parentheses is the point, there is no reason to be more upset about that then Trump's comments. It is just a knee jerk reaction to defend Trump and if that actually infuriates him professional help might be needed.


As to Mr. Khan, part of the reason that he is in the middle of this election is because Trump is an idiot who has to respond to every slight and doesn't know how to keep his mouth shut. I have no problem with him wanting to avoid getting anymore involved than he already is at this time.

I love how I make a comment and you just fire an insult back to me.

Did I say I supported what Trump said...no. Your point is incorrect. Trump did not ask the father to speak at the DNC. Once he accepted the opportunity he inserted himself and his family into the politics and is open to scrutiny. As many have pointed out, the father has past ties with the Clinton's so there is obviously more to the story than meets the eyes.

BTW....I did not vote for Trump in the primaries so I would not consider myself a Trump apologist.
 

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BTW....I did not vote for Trump in the primaries so I would not consider myself a Trump apologist.

I don't think it matters if you are, or aren't. I started this line of discussion hoping to point out that the "attacks" and "insults" to the Khan family are largely things that were made up (or at best, incredibly exaggerated) by the media. With the exception of the comment about the wife not speaking, Trump didn't say ANYTHING negative (that I saw) about the family. I've asked, multiple times, for people to specify what "attacks" and "insults" they are upset about. So far, only wooly has responded. And I think he is confusing "handling it poorly" with "attacking and insulting". It's the same thing that has happened with Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants, vis-à-vis rape and other crimes. The narrative out there is that Trump said that Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals. But that's not what he said. However, if it gets repeated often enough, it just becomes the truth. THAT is why our government is so fucked up!! Because we allow hyperbole and opinion to become "facts". If WE were smarter, more demanding, more skeptical; we might have better government.
 
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