2016 NFL Draft

[pkt77242]

Hackenberg sucks -- I regrettably watch almost every PSU game and went to several last year. Hack got hurt in the bowl game and the team played better with Trace McSorley in at QB. Hack is simply bad at football.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/bl...ve-a-draftable-grade-on-christian-hackenberg/


Anyway, back to Jaylon. Can someone tell me where his injury lies on the spectrum from routine torn ACL to Marcus Lattimore's leg falling off? The injury didn't look awful on TV, and he is already running around and posting workout videos, so part of me doesn't get what the huge risk is even if he still has to miss extended time.

Ligaments are generally easy to repair. The question with Jaylon is when/if his nerve will fully heal. I don't quite know how to put it on the spectrum that you listed but the nerve is the major issue and the fact that his nerve was injured makes it significantly worse than a standard ACL but not as bad as Lattimore's injury.

The risk is that nerve injuries can be slow to heal and sometimes people never quite come back from them.

 

[pkt77242]

Laugh now fvkers... Browns getting ready to wreck shit, namely Hue Jackson's job security...

FIFY

 

[GATTACA!]

Laugh now fvkers... Browns getting ready to wreck shit...

Let's wreck this league.

 

[PANDFAN]

Hackenberg sucks -- I regrettably watch almost every PSU game and went to several last year. Hack got hurt in the bowl game and the team played better with Trace McSorley in at QB. Hack is simply bad at football.

Why PFF Doesn't Have A Draftable Grade On Christian Hackenberg


Anyway, back to Jaylon. Can someone tell me where his injury lies on the spectrum from routine torn ACL to Marcus Lattimore's leg falling off? The injury didn't look awful on TV, and he is already running around and posting workout videos, so part of me doesn't get what the huge risk is even if he still has to miss extended time.

ESPN actually has a great article on him How Jaylon Smith became a hopeful mystery -- 2016 NFL draft
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[arrowryan]

If Paxton is still there at 25, I wonder Denver will move up and get him.

 

[IrishLion]

Every time I see someone "big" tweet about Stanley to the Chargers at 3, all of the Chargers fans are talking about how "we are really gonna screw this up" and "if this happens we riot."

Is it that they aren't aware that Stanley is the best pass-pro LT in the draft with the ability to also play RT? Is it that they think he's way worse than Tunsil? Or is it that they want someone from another position entirely?

 

[arrowryan]

Every time I see someone "big" tweet about Stanley to the Chargers at 3, all of the Chargers fans are talking about how "we are really gonna screw this up" and "if this happens we riot."

Is it that they aren't aware that Stanley is the best pass-pro LT in the draft with the ability to also play RT? Is it that they think he's way worse than Tunsil? Or is it that they want someone from another position entirely?

Well I would want Ramsey but thats just me

 

[zelezo vlk]

Every time I see someone "big" tweet about Stanley to the Chargers at 3, all of the Chargers fans are talking about how "we are really gonna screw this up" and "if this happens we riot."

Is it that they aren't aware that Stanley is the best pass-pro LT in the draft with the ability to also play RT? Is it that they think he's way worse than Tunsil? Or is it that they want someone from another position entirely?

Because people love Tunsil and seem to be really low on Stanley because he still doesn't have plus power.

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[IrishLion]

Well I would want Ramsey but thats just me

I would too, but the Chargers have been decimated along the OL for the past two years. I'd like to shore it up and protect Rivers through the end of his career, and the beginning of whoever eventually replaces him.

Because people love Tunsil and seem to be really low on Stanley because he still doesn't have plus power.

People are stupid!

For real though, I don't think you can go wrong with Tunsil or Stanley. It must be NFL-only fans making the most noise.

 

[Irish Glory]

Unless a top guy like Ezekiel Elliot or Vernon Heargraves falls to the Dolphins at 13, I hope we trade down in the first to get an additional pick, making it easier to take Jaylon in the second round. Everyone talks about how that might be too early for him, but with the dolphins recent history with second round picks (Chad Henne, Pat White, Daniel Thomas, Jonathan Martin, Jamar Taylor) why not take the most talented guy in the draft and pray for full recovery. I'd give Jaylon a better chance at having a full recovery than I'd give the Dolphins at hitting on another player.

 

[koonja]

If you could take Elliot at 13, or Derrick Henry at say, 45, would you take Henry? I would all day. I don't think Elliot is significantly better. I'd take another 1st round talent and try to get Henry in 2nd round.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL OTs protect a 7-step drop on average 120+ times per year.<br><br>Ronnie Stanley did it 35 times last year.<br><br>Laremy Tunsil just 7 times.</p>— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/725683869970784256">April 28, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Irish Glory]

If you could take Elliot at 13, or Derrick Henry at say, 45, would you take Henry? I would all day. I don't think Elliot is significantly better. I'd take another 1st round talent and try to get Henry in 2nd round.

I would still take Elliot because he is a bigger factor in the passing game and with how bad our offensive line is I don't know how much success Henry would have in Miami.

 

[ACamp1900]

So I sold our Dean on letting all faculty, staff, students dress down today with NFL gear... pretty glorious. You know I'm rocking those Brownies... got my Browns jacket (just happened to be cold today out of nowhere), on top of my Browns jersey, on top of my Brownie Elf t shirt with my Browns cap... haha

 

[GATTACA!]

I would still take Elliot because he is a bigger factor in the passing game and with how bad our offensive line is I don't know how much success Henry would have in Miami.

How do you feel about the rumors that Miami might trade up with the Browns if Elliot is available at 8?

 

[ACamp1900]

Trading back to get Doctson or Treadwell...?? I like it well enough, trading back to get a QB make ACamp angry.....

 

[BleedBlueGold]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL OTs protect a 7-step drop on average 120+ times per year.<br><br>Ronnie Stanley did it 35 times last year.<br><br>Laremy Tunsil just 7 times.</p>— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF/status/725683869970784256">April 28, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I haven't been following the NFL Draft news, but is it possible that all this Tunsil before Stanley talk is because the former is a SEC-product while the latter is ND? The reason I ask is because there seems to be a legitimate amount of people who still believe ND players just aren't as good/athletic/battle-tested, etc. I recall in '14 three out of the top five OL drafted were from the SEC. When Martin went to the Cowboys, I saw/heard plenty of people who were upset by the pick, only to later say "Man, that Martin kid is awesome! Was he this good in college?!"

Anyways, just curious if there's a bias at play here. Lately, Stanley seems to be trending up. IMO, he's the correct pick for #1 OL in the draft. Just my take though.

 

[ACamp1900]

There is certainly still a lot of "ND just sucks at football" in certain areas of the country among fans and such... I doubt that plays TOO far into actual draft analysis by experts though.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

I haven't been following the NFL Draft news, but is it possible that all this Tunsil before Stanley talk is because the former is a SEC-product while the latter is ND? The reason I ask is because there seems to be a legitimate amount of people who still believe ND players just aren't as good/athletic/battle-tested, etc. I recall in '14 three out of the top five OL drafted were from the SEC. When Martin went to the Cowboys, I saw/heard plenty of people who were upset by the pick, only to later say "Man, that Martin kid is awesome! Was he this good in college?!"

Anyways, just curious if there's a bias at play here. Lately, Stanley seems to be trending up. IMO, he's the correct pick for #1 OL in the draft. Just my take though.

This isn't an anti-ND thing at all. Tunsil is a complete freak as an athlete. People see his maximum potential and recognize, probably rightly, that its higher than Ronnie's. The fact of the matter is though, Stanley is more NFL-ready today, has zero character concerns, is a more proven pass blocker than Tunsil, and has a better injury history. The momentum for Stanley over Tunsil is likely teams having an epiphany that Ronnie is about as safe a bet you can make on an LT, while Tunsil has a lot of minor question marks.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

This isn't an anti-ND thing at all. Tunsil is a complete freak as an athlete. People see his maximum potential and recognize, probably rightly, that its higher than Ronnie's. The fact of the matter is though, Stanley is more NFL-ready today, has zero character concerns, is a more proven pass blocker than Tunsil, and has a better injury history. The momentum for Stanley over Tunsil is likely teams having an epiphany that Ronnie is about as safe a bet you can make on an LT, while Tunsil has a lot of minor question marks.

Nailed it. reps.

 

[dang227]

Word on Cleveland local sports radio is that the Browns will be targeting playmakers with their early picks. Please let this be the truth.


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[Irish#1]

I haven't been following the NFL Draft news, but is it possible that all this Tunsil before Stanley talk is because the former is a SEC-product while the latter is ND? The reason I ask is because there seems to be a legitimate amount of people who still believe ND players just aren't as good/athletic/battle-tested, etc. I recall in '14 three out of the top five OL drafted were from the SEC. When Martin went to the Cowboys, I saw/heard plenty of people who were upset by the pick, only to later say "Man, that Martin kid is awesome! Was he this good in college?!"

Anyways, just curious if there's a bias at play here. Lately, Stanley seems to be trending up. IMO, he's the correct pick for #1 OL in the draft. Just my take though.

I was listening to the local guys this morning. There is some talk that Stanley may be the first OT taken. Also projecting a strong possibility that Martin could be a Colt. Talked about his ability to make the line calls and get things figured out quickly. Would be day 1 starting center for the ponies.

 

[Irish#1]

Word on Cleveland local sports radio is that the Browns will be targeting playmakers with their early picks. Please let this be the truth.


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They've always targeted playmakers. Just ask Manziel!

 

[JohnnyJasper]

If you could take Elliot at 13, or Derrick Henry at say, 45, would you take Henry? I would all day. I don't think Elliot is significantly better. I'd take another 1st round talent and try to get Henry in 2nd round.

100% agree. I'll take Henry later all day long.
And although it hurts me to say it.. I'd take Drake all day long over Prosise in an even later round.

 

[Irish Glory]

How do you feel about the rumors that Miami might trade up with the Browns if Elliot is available at 8?

Not a fan. We are not one player away, and we're not like Dallas with an elite offensive line that would make him an immediate star. We still have holes on the o-line we need to fill and holes all over the defense, so I am completely against giving up picks.

 

[pkt77242]

100% agree. I'll take Henry later all day long.
And although it hurts me to say it.. I'd take Drake all day long over Prosise in an even later round.

I am not a huge Henry fan. For that matter I am rather skeptical of Alabama running backs in the pros.

Richardson- Bust
Lacy- Good so far but overweight last year and fumble prone.
Ingram- one good year
Telson- too soon to know

The problem with Alabama running backs is that it is hard to tell how much of their college success is because of their talent vs the talent of their o-line.

 

[ACamp1900]

I am not a huge Henry fan. For that matter I am rather skeptical of Alabama running backs in the pros.

Richardson- Bust
Lacy- Good so far but overweight last year and fumble probe
Ingram- one good year
Telson- too soon to know

The problem with Alabama running backs is that it is hard to tell how much of their college success is because of their talent vs the talent of their o-line and the fact that they can roid/HGH up for days in college....

fify

 

[dublinirish]

ND OL are highly respected in the NFL along with Bama Stanford and Iowa. Cant remember the coach who said it last year but he hated all the spread offense for not teaching OL technique

 

[rtrn2glory]

ND OL are highly respected in the NFL along with Bama Stanford and Iowa. Cant remember the coach who said it last year but he hated all the spread offense for not teaching OL technique

just b/c they run spread doesn't mean they don't teach technique. he's just mad that he has to teach them west coast, hand in the dirt technique.

Kyle Long seems to have done well for himself coming from Oregon.

 

[dublinirish]

Tom Cable: Spread offenses in college are “a huge disservice” to players | ProFootballTalk

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