2014 Spring Practice Thread

[WakeUpEchoes]

Braxton Miller had 24 TDS last year. 63% and over a thousand yards rushing. How the hell are you gonna take Golson when Miller has him beat in EVERY single category. Sure Miller has been playing for two years but his potential is through the roof. How the hell could you even think about taking Zaire over Miller? Based on what? No one has anything on Malik besides 2 minutes of highlight tapes on UND and a fucking HIGHLIGHT tape.

Miller sucks at passing yet leads one of the best offenses in the country and had 24 PASSING TDS last year with 63% last year which isn't bad at all. Hell higher then your boy Golson.

Also missed like 3 games I think.

 

[GBdomer]

HAHAHAH proving my point even more Kenny Guiton had a better year then Everrett Golson and he started I think 2 games.

 

[Irish8248]

I'm sorry you're an idiot if you think Zaire id better now than Miller as a soph. The same qb that has never taken a snap, never ran a play, and couldn't beat out a weak veteran qb.

Miller beat out a weak vet qb. Miller won big 10 freshman of the year. He completed 58% of his passes as a soph, accounted for over 20 tds, and threw for over 2000 yds while rushing for a chunk more.

Give me one thing that Zaire has done better than Miller? I get he's or guy, but how many of you actually think he starts while at the same time drooling over Barnett as the second coming? Guess what, if Golson stays he's got two more years then if Blake is as good as everyone seems to believe, you better believe he will win the starting job. Leaving Zaire with 0 years starting.

 

[Oberon]

As long as people are bitching at each other about inane player comparisons, instead of who flunked out, transferred, or got a dui, i'm happy

 

[cody1smith]

Did I miss where anyone actually said he was better? Or just talks of potential and could bes and would bes based on things that will never happen?

 

[PerthDomer]

I think Miller may really struggle this year losing 4 OL and his best RB... Golson I think is surrounded by a better line this year.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I would rather have Golson than Miller at ND. In other situations I would take Miller. Don't yell at me or call me a troll, please.

I even agree with LA that Braxton driving OSU is a better offense than Golson driving ND. But for our team and what Kelly wants to do, give me Golson.

 

[NDinL.A.]

There's a longer reply in me, but I'm going to bed. I'll just say that IMHO GB is right, and really, it's not even close. When Zaire plays a real game, talk to me. He has shown the consistency to do absolutely nothing, because he's never played a in a real game. And Golson had a decent year while showing flashes of brilliance. Miller has done it for years. He's perfect for their system. I'm driving the Golson bus, believe me (read my practice thread), but any objective fan would take Miller in OSU's over Golson in ND's offense at this point.

Hopefully at the end of the year it will be different.

 

[greyhammer90]

This isn't really directed at you, but comments like this are why everyone hates ND fans. Braxton Miller is a good football player (Heisman candidate, even). I sometimes wonder if some of you guys ever watch any other teams play besides ND.

It is a valid point on a ND message board. Braxton Miller in no way affects us. He's not on the team, and he's on no team that we play, or are likely to play in a bowl game given bowl tie-ins. Whether or not Golson is better than Miller doesn't matter because we don't need him to be better than Miller.

Not saying he doesn't matter to CFB as a whole, but he certainly shouldn't matter to ND fans discussing spring practice.

On the other hand though, entertainment. Continue!

 

[Bluto]

Miller isn't a "game changer" in my opinion. The only 2 good teams he played against last year (MSU and Clemson) he lost to.

 

[WestCoast]

Kizer will start game 1. Book it. #Kizersöze

 

[greyhammer90]

Kizer will start game 1. Book it. #Kizersöze

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing Michigan he couldn't pass."

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Kizer will start game 1. Book it. #Kizersöze

 

[johnnycando]

Kizersose?

Damn how's that guy been doing? Long time, no hear.

 

[arrowryan]

Braxton Miller 63% while leading one of best offenses in the country.and never benched for fucking Tommy Rees
Everett Golson under 60% and 12 passing TDS.

Good arguement

You're trying to compare Braxton Miller's junior stats to Everett Golson's freshman stats. That's not fair at all. Let's compare Miller's freshman stats to Golson's freshman stats.

Miller: 54.1% completion percentage;1,159 passing yards; 13 touchdowns; 4 interceptions

Golson: 58.8% completion percentage; 2,405 yards passing; 12 touchdowns; 6 interceptions

I'm not saying I agree with Koon but him saying that he would take Golson over Miller isn't being a homer at all after you look at the stats.

 

[greyhammer90]

Kizersose?

Damn how's that guy been doing? Long time, no hear.

I know. I used to be best friends with the guy, then he got married and...

He's gone!

 

[gkIrish]

It is a valid point on a ND message board. Braxton Miller in no way affects us. He's not on the team, and he's on no team that we play, or are likely to play in a bowl game given bowl tie-ins. Whether or not Golson is better than Miller doesn't matter because we don't need him to be better than Miller.

Not saying he doesn't matter to CFB as a whole, but he certainly shouldn't matter to ND fans discussing spring practice.

On the other hand though, entertainment. Continue!

Evaluating Golson's talent or Zaire's talent is a completely relevant topic for an ND message board. One way to do that is to compare them to other QBs, which is precisely what has occurred here. Many ND fans don't seem to know a lot about other QBs considering the comments I've been seeing lately about Rees and here in this thread.

 

[NDdomer2]

pardon my incompetence, did this really happen?

 

[greyhammer90]

Evaluating Golson's talent or Zaire's talent is a completely relevant topic for an ND message board. One way to do that is to compare them to other QBs, which is precisely what has occurred here. Many ND fans don't seem to know a lot about other QBs considering the comments I've been seeing lately about Rees and here in this thread.

You seemed to suggest that Title's post was him being "ignorant" of Braxton. My point was that I don't really know how you got that out of his post.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

pardon my incompetence, did this really happen?

No idea but I would like to think so

 

[WestCoast]

pardon my incompetence, did this really happen?

I look more tan in real life. The camera and lights add two shades of white.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Evaluating Golson's talent or Zaire's talent is a completely relevant topic for an ND message board. One way to do that is to compare them to other QBs, which is precisely what has occurred here. Many ND fans don't seem to know a lot about other QBs considering the comments I've been seeing lately about Rees and here in this thread.

 

[GBdomer]

I am really impressed with the OSU offense after the MSU game, and did they play in a bowl, or was it a Bowel? So maybe OSU's offense is one of the best offenses against poor downtrodden teams. (This is fun!)

You mean the BCS game they played in?

 

[WestCoast]

why is everyone so testis tonight?

 

[Rack Em]

why is everyone so testis tonight?

You mean testes. There are multiple people. Or is my English incorrect?

 

[Irishbounty28]

I would have to objectively say that there is no way in knowing either way which is a better quarterback in Notre Dame's offense because only Golson will ever command it.

What I will say is that after watching many Ohio State games, Miller is a very dynamic quarterback, and I only hope that Golson can be as effective. I do however hope that Golson can be more effective from the pocket, because that will equal sustained success.

What Miller lacks is a pocket presence, similar to that of the "Quarterback formerly known as shoelace". What this does is allows defense's to latch on to what the quarterback does, and make them one dimensional. Obviously, this takes a very good defense to do it, but more often than not teams will face a few of those each year.

When Ohio State faced a defense worth a shit the great Braxton Miller became one dimensional, and was unable to contribute through the air. His passing game tremendously relies upon the deception that the offense produces, which allows him to hit wide open receivers in stride. If he is asked to be accurate in the pocket, he fails every time.

I have seen Golson contribute in the pocket, but after one year I am not ready to anoint him the next great thing. I will say though, if both individuals first years are compared side by side, Golson was more poised in the pocket. This, I believe, translates more to what type of offense Notre Dame wants to run.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Yup, the one we would have been in if we were in the big 10.

Sorry, gotta disagree. OSU lost one game. We lost to a team they beat, and then proceeded to lose to an extremely mediocre Pitt team. We barely beat Navy, looked pedestrian against a bad Temple team, and we barely beat Purdue, a team OSU embarrassed. And we had a total of 4 losses. You matter how you slice it, we were a decent team last year, who played great a couple of times and REALLY bad a few more times. No way were we a BCS team, even in the Big 10.

 

[GBdomer]

Sorry, gotta disagree. OSU lost one game. We lost to a team they beat, and then proceeded to lose to an extremely mediocre Pitt team. We barely beat Navy, looked pedestrian against a bad Temple team, and we barely beat Purdue, a team OSU embarrassed. And we had a total of 4 losses. You matter how you slice it, we were a decent team last year, who played great a couple of times and REALLY bad a few more times. No way were we a BCS team, even in the Big 10.

Just stop manny you are making sense

 

[Buster Bluth]

Ohio State offense and skill players are light years ahead of NDs.

I don't agree with this at all.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm not ignorant of Braxton Miller. I just do not have the energy to care about Braxton Miller in March when we won't ever play him, and I don't understand why he is even the comparison for Golson. It's just a weird topic to take up pages of discussion in a spring practice thread.