2014 Master List

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Nick Glass visiting June 22nd. Currently committed to UGA

 

[STLDomer]

Irish better get someone down here to recruit Texas, there's too much talent and ND has slipped badly since Holtz and Davey days. With Big East adding SMU and Houston, hopefully Irish prescence increases. Houston and Dallas area high school football talent alone are goldmines.

I have been knocked for this before but.....

Texas high school football is weakening and is overrated

I'd take a kid from Florida, Cincy area, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa area, Georgia, or California ranked near the same over a kid from Texas any day

 

[GBdomer]

I have been knocked for this before but.....

Texas high school football is weakening and is overrated

I'd take a kid from Florida, Cincy area, Georgia, or California over a kid from Texas any day

Lol what

 

[Grahambo]

I have been knocked for this before but.....

Texas high school football is weakening and is overrated

I'd take a kid from Florida, Cincy area, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa area, Georgia, or California ranked near the same over a kid from Texas any day

 

[gkIrish]

I have been knocked for this before but.....

Texas high school football is weakening and is overrated

I'd take a kid from Florida, Cincy area, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa area, Georgia, or California ranked near the same over a kid from Texas any day

 

[STLDomer]

Think: why is Texas weak right now?

Because they think all they have to do is recruit Texas and they will be fine. They are missing out on some (very few) top prospects from their own state (like Andrew Luck) and pretty much every single top prospect from every other state in the country.

I did expect this backlash but oh well

 

[gkIrish]

Think: why does Texas suck right now?

Because they think all they have to do is recruit Texas and they will be fine. They are missing out on some (very few) top prospects from their own state (like Andrew Luck) and pretty much every single top prospect from every other state in the country.

Texas made the championship in 2009. Not that long ago. Having a few down years does not mean Texas recruits are overrated or weakening

 

[GBdomer]

Think: why is Texas weak right now?

Because they think all they have to do is recruit Texas and they will be fine. They are missing out on some (very few) top prospects from their own state (like Andrew Luck) and pretty much every single top prospect from every other state in the country.

I did expect this backlash but oh well

Adrian Peterson
Vince young
Luck
Rg3
Come on now son! Do I really need to keep going? Most ridiculous post I have seen this year. There is a reason Texas has always a top 3 class. They Would be competing for national championship if they had a qb. I am still baffled you just said this

 

[STLDomer]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I expected most would disagree but that's fine.

Top 100 players from Texas: dropping
Top 100 football teams from Texas: dropping

The areas I mentioned: rising

I'm taking last 2-3 years here

And Texas as a top recruiting class and then is not good, why? Because the prospects are overrated

 

[GBdomer]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I expected most would disagree but that's fine.

Top 100 players from Texas: dropping
Top 100 football teams from Texas: dropping

The areas I mentioned: rising

I'm taking last 2-3 years here

And Texas as a top recruiting class and then is not good, why? Because the prospects are overrated

Ahhh well I am not sure what else to really say. If you don't have to leave your state to recruit and still compete for championships. You know what your doing. Btw what everyone think of the sig pic yah or nah?

 

[NDinFL]

STL, good list... Well organized.

Bold the recruits names. As well as underlining them

Also, (just my 2 cents, take it or leave it) Color code for leaders

As in: Bob Johnson: ND leanBut OK is 2nd

 

[STLDomer]

Ahhh well I am not sure what else to really say. If you don't have to leave your state to recruit and still compete for championships. You know what your doing. Btw what everyone think of the sig pic yah or nah?

They could leave the state to recruit and theyd be even better

Yay expect it's a little big

 

[greyhammer90]

GB-- a little large but a lot badass

 

[STLDomer]

STL, good list... Well organized.

Bold the recruits names. As well as underlining them

Also, (just my 2 cents, take it or leave it) Color code for leaders

As in: Bob Johnson: ND leanBut OK is 2nd

Thanks. Definitely needs more. I'll do the leader thing later.

Btw did anyone notice I put "early" in every single one. Dont want Grubl to peak here and go crazy because a guy like Quick likes us early

 

[NDinFL]

Thanks. Definitely needs more. I'll do the leader thing later.

Btw did anyone notice I put "early" in every single one. Dont want Grubl to peak here and go crazy because a guy like Quick likes us early

Just my bit of advice.

As much of a touchy, pissy kinda guy jason_h was, no one can top his recruiting lists.

(sorry GB)

Edit: as point of reference: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not...ing/59957-updated-recruiting-list-2012-a.html

 

[STLDomer]

Just my bit of advice.

As much of a touchy, pissy kinda guy jason_h was, no one can top his recruiting lists.

(sorry GB)

Edit: as point of reference: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not...ing/59957-updated-recruiting-list-2012-a.html

Is their a link to his?

I searched 2012master list a while back and found nothing

Edit: it just popped up haha

 

[NDinFL]

Great update amigo,

Reps

 

[NDPhilly]

Ferns dad is a ND fan.

 

[STLDomer]

Any suggestions for the titles?

I dont quite like the double bold-underline but its the best I have thought of

example:

Quarterbacks (1)

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/2014-recruiting-profiles/67953-14-il-qb-shelby-spence.html
- Very high on ND early, good fit

 

[NDinFL]

Any suggestions for the titles?

I dont quite like the double bold-underline but its the best I have thought of

example:

Quarterbacks (1)

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/2014-recruiting-profiles/67953-14-il-qb-shelby-spence.html
- Very high on ND early, good fit

QB

-blah blah blah
ND leads, but Houston is gaining ground

As a suggested template

 

[Redbar]

I have been knocked for this before but.....

Texas high school football is weakening and is overrated

I'd take a kid from Florida, Cincy area, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa area, Georgia, or California ranked near the same over a kid from Texas any day

I have heard from someone who would know that the reason a lot of UT guys don't make an immediate impact in the league and the University of Texas seems to underperform based on their talent level is not that the quality of their High School football is slipping but that they are absolutely coddled and babied while in Austin. There is no questioning the talent in Texas, but a lot of them are not developing the requisite toughness and dedication while in Austin. They are treated like princes there.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

You can go ahead and put "Stone Cold Lead Pipe Lock" next to Reilly Gibbons.

 

[STLDomer]

Off topic but Can a mod put Offer next to Raekwon McMillans name?

Irish Interested In 2014 Ohio TE

In TE Ethan Wolf's top 3 with OSU, Sparty

 

[NDinL.A.]

I have been knocked for this before but.....

Texas high school football is weakening and is overrated

I'd take a kid from Florida, Cincy area, Birmingham/Tuscaloosa area, Georgia, or California ranked near the same over a kid from Texas any day

OK, you take the top 50 players from the Cincy area, and I'll take the top 50 any football area in Texas and let's see who comes out on top. Same with Bama and Georgia. The only states that can compete with TX year in and year out are CA and FL.

The reason TX isn't competing at a high level recently is 3 things: 1) them loading up too early on junior recruits and missing out on many guys that blow up their senior years (while some of their commits start resting on their laurels and don't get better); 2) awful QB play (moat of us here feel ND would have won 10 games last year with a competent QB - TX is no different. #3) poor coaching. Msck Brown had to clean house in order to save his job, b/c his assistants (and IMO - him) weren't getting the job done.

But to say that you'd take kids from some of the areas you mentioned over TX kids means you don't watch much high school football, or you just can't spot talent. Believe me, the football talent in TX, and the level of play, is waaaaaaaayyyyy deeper and just plain better than almost any state in the country - 20 yrs ago, 10 yrs ago, 5 yrs ago, and today as well...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

OK, you take the top 50 players from the Cincy area, and I'll take the top 50 any football area in Texas and let's see who comes out on top. Same with Bama and Georgia. The only states that can compete with TX year in and year out are CA and FL.

The reason TX isn't competing at a high level recently is 3 things: 1) them loading up too early on junior recruits and missing out on many guys that blow up their senior years (while some of their commits start resting on their laurels and don't get better); 2) awful QB play (moat of us here feel ND would have won 10 games last year with a competent QB - TX is no different. #3) poor coaching. Msck Brown had to clean house in order to save his job, b/c his assistants (and IMO - him) weren't getting the job done.

But to say that you'd take kids from some of the areas you mentioned over TX kids means you don't watch much high school football, or you just can't spot talent. Believe me, the football talent in TX, and the level of play, is waaaaaaaayyyyy deeper and just plain better than almost any state in the country - 20 yrs ago, 10 yrs ago, 5 yrs ago, and today as well...

Link?

 

[clashmore_mike]

Everybody love everybody.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I play highschool football, i watch highschool football. My cousin plays for Coppell High (Cam McDaniel) in Texas and I have been to a game.

I've played against Ezekiel Elliot, Andy Bauer and Durron Neal and many more 3 star football players

I think I know a little about football

Give me Don Bosco or Aquinas over Trinity or Coppell any day

I was not aware u were a scout or analyst who could "spot talent"

Further proof that you don't get it. You're talking about one school, and everyone else is talking about an entire state. In fact YOU started talking about an entire state, and then you switched it to cities, and now to one school in New Jersey. OK...so you're telling me that you'll take the talent in the state of New Jersey over the talent in the state of Texas? Go ahead and take that school, and I'll take the state of Texas.

Personally, I'm not a scout, but I can spot talent, and I've followed both college and high school football a helluva lot longer than you. And there is no argment that the talent in the state of Texas is soooooooo much better than you give it credit for. How about this...let's talk real football son:

You talk about TX Longhorn football being down (for 2 years only, but fine, look at it in that small of a vacuum). How about Missouri football? Pretty damn good this past decade, no? Go look at their roster...it's LITTERED with TX football players. How about Oklahoma? Pretty damn good, no? They get a majority of their players from TX. How do you think OK State did last year? What, top 3? Texas football players all over that roster. How about Baylor? Big 12 champs, Heisman trophy winner, pretty good program, no? TX football players. Texas A&M was a top 10 team to start the season...more TX football players. Do I need to go on?

So here's 3 powerhouse programs NOT EVEN LOCATED IN THE STATE OF TEXAS and here's how many players from Texas they have on their roster:

OK: 54
OK State: 56
Missouri: 31

And that's not even including the Texas schools that are legit wih a ton of legit TX players, schools like Texas, Baylor, and Texas A&M.

Now, go and find me that many programs that New Jersey football players are supporting, or Alabama players, or Georgia players. Those states have some fine players, but nowhere near the number of players the state of Texas is producing. And I know that obviously Texas is way bigger, but that's not the argument that you presented. You said that Texas football and its talent is down and worse than other smaller states, and i can most assuredly tell you that it's not...not even close.

 

[beryirish]

Bottom line is both states are football first and love their football.

Thought this was pretty cool and surprising myself because I think Texas is superior to Ohio in football but Ohio isn't a pushover by any means...

This is from ESPN that includes pro, college, and high school football in the state. It's not the argument but thought it was interesting to say the least.

Texas is ranked #1 with:

The Lone Star State has 10 DI teams, six Heismans*, six national titles**, three AFL titles***, five Super Bowl wins and 24 pro Hall of Famers****.

Ohio is ranked #5 with:

The Buckeye State has eight DI teams, seven Heismans, seven national titles, nine NFL titles and 21 pro Hall of Famers.

------------------------------------------------------------

Rivals

5. OHIO

TOTAL/AVERAGE: 694/69.4
HIGH/LOW: 91 (2010)/ 52 (2003) How good is Ohio at producing BCS players? Consider this: In 2011, Ohio State, one of the country's most consistent programs, signed 14 in-state recruits. And that's pretty much the norm. Ohio produces so much talent that every Big Ten program spends a good bit of time recruiting there. Ditto for Notre Dame, which has landed 22 Ohioans since 2002.

Here's the impressive stat:

TOTAL/AVERAGE: 1,850/185.0
HIGH/LOW: 214 (2006)/ 169 (2005) It's no surprise Texas topped the list of BCS-producing states. For starters, that section of the country is bonkers for football. Texas also ranks second in total population. In a typical year, the state not only stocks the rosters at in-state schools but sends several players to many of college football's elite conferences in other parts of the country. In the 2011 class, an astounding 125 players signed with Big 12 schools. Fifty-one others inked with other BCS teams.

I wouldn't go so far is to say someone doesn't know what they are talking when it comes to comparing the two states but Texas is better when you come to the bottom line.

Texas has about 25 million people to Ohio's 12 million. Yeah the argument wasn't based on population but when we talk about how many TX kids are on other teams that throw's population in the mix then. Teams in the midwest have a good portion of Ohio kids on their rosters and if by rule of large numbers if Ohio had a bigger population like Texas it could be more.

Ohio State has gone to 3 BCS National Title Games to Texas 2. Oklahoma recruits TX well which is known so I will throw them with 4 visits to the BCS title game.

I agree with LA that TX has its issues with the coaching staff why they have 2 down years. After they lost the title game it didn't surprise me that they had a bad year the following season but a second year surprised me. This rich in talent there shouldn't be 2 consecutive down years which is why I believe Macky is on the hot seat this year.

With Texas being sooooo rich in talent and Texas alllwayys gets that talent and then some then they should be in the title talks eevverry year. With the talent they have QB troubles shouldn't be an excuse. USC for example just cycles through QB/Heismans like no ones business.

Sorry if i'm all over the place with my post...have family and kids running around the house and it's hard to put together a complete thought. I just believe TX is better than OH in talent but would love to see D1 OH vs 4A/5A powerhouse matchups for shits and giggles.

Enjoy the holiday weekend!

 

[NDinL.A.]

Bottom line is both states are football first and love their football.

Thought this was pretty cool and surprising myself because I think Texas is superior to Ohio in football but Ohio isn't a pushover by any means...

Texas is ranked #1 with:


Ohio is ranked #5 with:

Absolutely agree. I never said Ohio wasn't deep with talent - they just aren't at TX's level. And New Jersey isn't even close, but STL would love for you to believe that they are, which is friggin' crazy.

Last thing on this subject:

- i don't care about all the little backups from Texas; I was talking about elite players, Texas as more people so of course they have more players scattered about. U think I was actually comparing every D1 bound player in Tuscaloosa to every D1 bound player in Texas? I said guys that are ranked high and around the same.

Little backups? See, this is what I'm saying. OK State and Oklahoma aren't top 5 programs due to 'little backups'. Missouri didn't get to #2 a few years back based on back-ups. Baylor didn't win the Big 12 off the back-ups 'little back-ups' (a Heisman winner doesn't qualify as a little back-up, sorry).

Don't backpedal off your original argument - that Texas football is overrated and the state's talent is dropping and that you'd take kids from "Cincy, Georgia and New Jersey over a TX kid any day of the week". And yet, Texas football is fueling 6 very good to elite football programs. How many top programs is New Jersey fueling? Georgia? the problem is, you went to ONE high school football game in TX and looked at ONE football program in TX and foolishly declared football in TX in steep decline and that other states had better players. When in fact, you need to look at ALL the programs that Texas football supports, and look at ALL the talent in the state of TX.

And finally, why don't you take a look at the top players in college football this year, the guys at the center of the Heisman race all year. Griffin? Texas. Luck? Texas. (The two top players in the NFL draft are from TX, but yeah, the talent is down). LaMichael James, the clubhouse leader before he got hurt? Texas. Case Keenum? Texas.

You're wrong dude, really, really wrong. Just move on.

- quit with the age argument that u use everytime we disagree. Ur older than hundreds of high school, college, and nfl coaches and analysts. Age does not = knowledge

There's quite a few high school kids on this site that I have no problem with and who I enjoy reading their takes. But in your case, age does = wisdom and knowledge. Any time a person overreacts to a reporter's tweets and publicly disses his knowledge and his sources, shows serious signs of immaturity. And then to defend your actions instead of owning up to it shows even more immaturity. I don't like it when fans try to be part of the recruiting world. It's stupid. And this argument here on this thread shows a severe lack of knowledge. You even said yourself that your argument was controversial, but then you get offended when people rip apart your take??? Doesn't add up...

 

[NDinL.A.]

I never mentioned NJ > Texas. U brought it down to top 50 in a state while i said elite players as in top 20 max.

I'm not offended and u don't a thing about me, u have no idea about my thought process

It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, quit acting like u know everything and ur opinion rules. I would hate to have u as a teacher

I am immature? Lets look at this from afar: i offered my opinion on something. U offered yours AND cussed and called names.

Others differed in opinion and I accepted them, u choose to take personal shots

#1. Stop running from your argument. You said that Texas high school football is on the decline and that they don't have that many top players anymore. Did you not say that? I countered with 6 very good to elite college football programs that are being supported by mostly TX football players, and you countered with different arguments. Own what you originally said.

#2. What names did I call you?

#3. The only reason you'd hate to have me as a teacher would be because you'd be the type of student to say outlandish things backed by zero support, and you'd argue things you have no clue about. And in that case, I'd hate to have you as a student.

#4. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but you put it on a message board, where people are going to discuss said opinion. Why do you get so offended when your opinion is dissected?

And let's say I throw an opinion out there like this: "SMU is going to win the national title this year because June Jones is a good coach. I have no other reasons and no statistical data to back it up, but that's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. And anyone who takes my opinion to task is just picking on me and not allowing me to voice my opinion." How ridiculous does that sound? That's what you're saying. I took your opinion to task, an opinion you admitted would case a stir, and you got hurt by the backlash.

This argument has gone beyond civil. I'm with HCTI on this one. Hold yourself to the same standard as you hold other posters.

You're right Rack'em, and that's on me. It is personal with STL, because I love ND and I love our fans and I love this site, and when someone embarrasses this site and embarrasses the university and embarrasses our fanbase, and then not only shows no remorse but defends his actions, it does **** me off. I can only imagine the NY Post reporter's response to a high school kid questioning his info and his sources, thinking to himself what a mess ND fans are, and later writing one of those stories on ND that gets posted on this site and many others in which we get pissed at the writer for having a bias against ND. Well gee, I wonder why any writer would hat ND fans?

As for HCTI, he still holds a grudge against me for having the audacity to delete posts of his (and many others, MYSELF included) that went off-topic on a recruit's thread, or in which a personal argument ensued. If he got reps for that post, he didn't like the "N/A" next to his rep b/c the post had been deleted. What he doesn't realize is that it wasn't just me that was deleting those posts, but what the hell, I'll be the fall guy in his petty game. Cause seriously, is it that big of a deal that a post gets deleted (after most people have read it, which is most important) that you got repped for??? I have plenty of posts that I've deleted myself that have 4 or 5 reps attached to them, but who the hell cares? I don't get a medal, and I sure as hell don't get cash for any of those posts that got deleted, so what's the big deal? The fact that he backed a troll over Irish members just to spite me says all you need to say.

And HTCI has done WAY worse than I ever have on any thread, save for a couple of trolls. For him to throw stones is funny. Yo HTCI, what say you get your last word in and rip me again publicly, and then you and I just take it to PM so you can really say what's on your mind towards me without worry of getting banned. Cause following me around on posts, backing up trolls and guys with wrong opinions is going to get old real fast...