'12 FL WR Justin Ferguson (Western Michigan Transfer)

[Couv Domer]

Welcome to the site Couv Domer!!

Excellent first post too!

As many have said in previous threads, we are no experts. We need to let Kelly and Co. do the recruiting. BK knows who'll fit his system. And until I see otherwise, I'll continue to support BK's recruiting.

Thanks for the kind welcome FIL7! I hope to be a regular contributor.

Your header indicates that you're a sophmore? That leads me to believe you haven't had the opportunity to experience a ND national championship yet...keep up the faith!! I believe the future is very bright indeed.

 

[beryirish]

one thing i am noticing early in this cycle is how we've been able to invade others' territory and take players that are heavily coveted by the hometown teams in the region (Shepherd, Darby, Baratti, and now Ferguson) really gotta give the dues to the coaches so far.

Plus every recruit thus far is from a different state including the big boys - Cali, Texas, Florida, Ohio - gotta love national recruiting

 

[koonja]

We had him at a 4.8 40...and I think that is pretty accurate. He needs to work on his speed.

Average Florida WR this year...you never know who is gonna blow up though. All in all it's a good take for you guys I think.

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[IrishLax]

I know this is redundant at this point, but I want to know where you got this from... Link please?

He/his group personally clocked him at that. What is so hard to understand from his first sentence?

 

[koonja]

He/his group personally clocked him at that. What is so hard to understand from his first sentence?

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[IrishLax]

'His group'? Sorry, but that's not enough for me... Oh yeah, Bill Clinton's in 'my group', so if you ever want to a night out on the town which ends with a hummer from a shady secretary let me know... I'm just asking for a link or some credentials.

*sigh*

The guy has simply said that his collective 'we' clocked him at 4.8. This is also the same guy who provided some good videos on Florida recruits last year.

If you don't want to believe him... FINE! that's totally your prerogative and you can state that and move on. But asking for a link to something he never said there was a link of and now switching to "demanding" credentials on a message board is quite silly.

If you want to badger EliteScouting, send him a PM asking for more info on who he is or who he represents.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

'His group'? Sorry, but that's not enough for me... Oh yeah, Bill Clinton's in 'my group', so if you ever want to a night out on the town which ends with a hummer from a shady secretary let me know... I'm just asking for a link or some credentials.

Hey buddy...here is a video "his group" put together for Prestwood. EliteScouting is legitimate in FLA.

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[koonja]

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[koonja]

So, 'Elite scout' has him as an average WR in Florida, running a 4.8.

ESPN loves him and he's in 150 watch, no 40 provided.

Scout has him as 4.5, and will probably end as a 4-star which isn't an average receiver in FL.

I'm just asking why I or anyone else should care what 'Elite scouting' says about him being average? They're obviously the ones out in right field on this one, so is there any merit to their story? Should we expect a 4.8 forty and an average receiver out of florida? (An average receiver out of FL will never play a down for ND)

 

[irishbird]

So, 'Elite scout' has him as an average WR in Florida, running a 4.8.

ESPN loves him and he's in 150 watch, no 40 provided.

Scout has him as 4.5, and will probably end as a 4-star which isn't an average receiver in FL.

I'm just asking why I or anyone else should care what 'Elite scouting' says about him being average? They're obviously the ones out in right field on this one, so is there any merit to their story? Should we expect a 4.8 forty and an average receiver out of florida? (An average receiver out of FL will never play a down for ND)

on tape he look faster than 4.8 4.8 player dont pull away like that

 

[koonja]

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[DillonHall]

I'm not trying to upset anyone, especially not Elitescout... I was just wondering the story behind the 4.8... Any info, especially insider info, is awesome and I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say it's greatly appreciated. I was just looking for a story behind it.

I can't comprehend why you care so much about a 40 time...

 

[koonja]

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[Sherm Sticky]

I don't think you should worry about him as "an average receiver in FL"; The Shark was a consensus 3* and look what he turned into.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't think you should worry about him as "an average receiver in FL"; The Shark was a consensus 3* and look what he turned into.

A minor-league pitcher?

I kid, I kid.... Shark is one of my all time faves. :awesomewo

 

[Irish Man3]

Well, the difference between a 4.5 and a 4.6 is about 2 steps... The difference between a 4.5 and a 4.8 is a heck of a lot more... And that's only half of my worry. The other part is the "only an average receiver in FL". But let's burry this and move on. We'll find out in a year. I trust BK's scouting.

The difference in a 4.5 and a 4.6 is NOT two steps (unless you want to be technical and call it a 4.50 and a 4.69). The difference in a 4.5 and a 4.6 is something as simple as not dipping your head and shoulders forward as you cross the finish line. Your a little off on your assessment here.

I agree that his inital post on Ferguson was simple and provided no link, but let it go dude. Ratings and 40 times will change about ten times before the end of the year and they will always differ between agencies. He's clearly better than "Elite Scouting" is making him out to be, so take it as a success for ND and be happy.

 

[Jim Kiley]

The First Time

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Just joined Irish Envy (same day as Ferguson !!!) Looking forward to learning a lot from you all.

 

[RyCo1983]

Just joined Irish Envy (same day as Ferguson !!!) Looking forward to learning a lot from you all.

Welcome to our humble online community!

GO IRISH!!!

 

[koonja]

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[Irish Man3]

Well I'll look for a link for you......

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The difference in a 4.5 and a 4.6 is NOT two steps (unless you want to be technical and call it a 4.50 and a 4.69). The difference in a 4.5 and a 4.6 is something as simple as not dipping your head and shoulders forward as you cross the finish line. Your a little off on your assessment here.

I don't know who your source is, but according to the annoying guy on sports science, the difference between a 4.4 and a 4.5 (.1 second) can be as many as two strides.

I'm skeptical, but props to you for at least having a source.

We know distance (40 yards) and time (4.4 or 4.5) so we can easily calculate speed (9.09 or 8.88 yards/sec). So the 4.4 guy is running 0.21 yards/sec faster than the 4.5 guy; which means he covers an extra 0.21 yards in 1 second, and an extra .021 yards in .1 second-- which is about 3/4 of an inch.

Now I don't know how long your legs are, but for 3/4'' to be 1-2 strides would require an extremely short WR.

DISCLAIMER: I have no formal training in the math used above beyond high school, so I accept that my calculation may be spectacularly wrong.

 

[jmurphy75]

The average sports fan can not tell the difference between a guy running a 4.5 and a guy running a 4.6. It's even hard for a college coach to tell the difference unless two guys are running together.

 

[koonja]

The average sports fan can not tell the difference between a guy running a 4.5 and a guy running a 4.6. It's even hard for a college coach to tell the difference unless two guys are running together.

If you put and 4.4 corner on the field against Randy Moss in his prime (4.3) I'll think you'll notice the difference. I'm just saying the guy that looks like Steve Kerr on sportsscience claims a .1 second difference in a 40 is up to two strides. If you find different studies I'll be glad to read them.

 

[jmurphy75]

If you put and 4.4 corner on the field against Randy Moss in his prime (4.3) I'll think you'll notice the difference. I'm just saying the guy that looks like Steve Kerr on sportsscience claims a .1 second difference in a 40 is up to two strides. If you find different studies I'll be glad to read them.

Not so much, I ran a 4.6 and Troy Saunders (played corner for FSU) ran a 4.5 and I'd get open about half the time. People put too much stock in 40 times, it's a good gauge but doesn't always equate out to real football speed or athleticism.

 

[koonja]

YouTube - 2009 Big Ten Men 100 Meter Dash

I know this is a 100 meter, but notice the distance between 1st and 2nd. The time difference is .15

 

[military_irish]

I said this earlier but I'll say it again Jerry Rice ran a 4.7 in his 40 and he got good seperation and is probably the best WR ever to play the game. So I still expect good things from Ferguson when he steps on campus no matter what his 40 time

 

[ryno 24]

this guy is a strider and his game isnt necessarily outrunning people( though he does do this ... his game is outphysicalling people he is a strong kid that is really athletic

 

[koonja]

Not so much, I ran a 4.6 and Troy Saunders (played corner for FSU) ran a 4.5 and I'd get open about half the time. People put too much stock in 40 times, it's a good gauge but doesn't always equate out to real football speed or athleticism.

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[military_irish]

YouTube - 2009 Big Ten Men 100 Meter Dash

I know this is a 100 meter, but notice the distance between 1st and 2nd. The time difference is .15

I was looking some stuff up earlier about the 40 yard dash to see if their is any definitive answer to how accurate it is, but what I found is the 40 is not THAT comparable to the 100 meter dash. For example Jacoby Ford ran a 4.28 in the 40 but ran a 10.01 in the 100 meter and the olympic gold medal winner Justin Gatlin ran a 9.85 in the 100 meter but only a 4.42 in the 40 yard dash.

Some people need more than 40 yards to get up to top speed, in my opinion

 

[koonja]

I was looking some stuff up earlier about the 40 yard dash to see if their is any definitive answer to how accurate it is, but what I found is the 40 is not THAT comparable to the 100 meter dash. For example Jacoby Ford ran a 4.28 in the 40 but ran a 10.01 in the 100 meter and the olympic gold medal winner Justin Gatlin ran a 9.85 in the 100 meter but only a 4.42 in the 40 yard dash.

Some people need more than 40 yards to get up to top speed, in my opinion

I agree with you. I was just disputing the post above where someone said there's not that much difference between a 4.5 and 4.6. There is a difference, and for a lot of kids, that difference is that between a D1 scholly or not.