2014 Fall Camp Thread

[PANDFAN]

Who is the last player that we had that is as confident as Bryant?

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cierre

 

[NDohio]

screw that, i'm pouring, get in line

You talked me into it. Pour away ....

 

[pkt77242]

screw that, i'm pouring, get in line

Shit. Get out of the way and let the real men drink the kool-aid.

 

[no.1IrishFan]

Shit. Get out of the way and let the real men drink the kool-aid.

ONCE IT HITS YOUR LIPS...ITS SO GOOD!(in my best Will Ferrel)

 

[ulukinatme]

ESPN, during Bk's interview, had a ticker that said ND lost to Rutgers in the pin stripe bowl....

FESPN

 

[yankeeND]

FESPN

What's really sad to me about this is that the damn game was on ESPN.

 

[Henges24]

I am not exactly sure if ESPN has been already been doing this, and this is what it was at ND today but...I think it was be pretty awesome if ESPN teamed up with like 10-15 teams during fall camp and watched and filmed an entire practice live on each team in a two+week span. Air it live and just talk about them for an entire two hours.

Do it on ESPNU or something. I think it would sell pretty well.

Edit: Again, I am not aware if this is already what ESPN is doing.

 

[Big23Head]

What's the deal with Shumate? Haven't heard anything on him.

I asked this over at Scout. O'Malley said Shumate is running with the 2's behind Collinsworth and Baratti is behind Max. I remember last year Coach Cooks said that Shumate was a guy that learned through a lot of reps and not so much in the film room so when he misses time it hurts him a lot. I'd assume that is still the case. Also, O'Malley thinks Farley would be the S to replace either starter as the staff seems to really believe in him.

 

[Luckylucci]

I asked this over at Scout. O'Malley said Shumate is running with the 2's behind Collinsworth and Baratti is behind Max. I remember last year Coach Cooks said that Shumate was a guy that learned through a lot of reps and not so much in the film room so when he misses time it hurts him a lot. I'd assume that is still the case. Also, O'Malley thinks Farley would be the S to replace either starter as the staff seems to really believe in him.

Yea, so specifically Kelly has made a point to say that getting Redfield on the field is very important as he's such a gifted athlete back there. However, he isn't able to QB the back end the way they'd like. So, in turn they have to compensate by having somebody next to him that can. Since, that is where Shumate currently struggles it makes sense that it would go Collinsworth then Farley if Redfield is playing. Ideally, it would be Redfield and Shumate as I think its clear those two are the best athletes but neither is grasping the responsibilities like they need to.

Side note: Collinsworth continues to look good against the run or in short area situations but very shaky in coverage.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I asked this over at Scout. O'Malley said Shumate is running with the 2's behind Collinsworth and Baratti is behind Max. I remember last year Coach Cooks said that Shumate was a guy that learned through a lot of reps and not so much in the film room so when he misses time it hurts him a lot. I'd assume that is still the case. Also, O'Malley thinks Farley would be the S to replace either starter as the staff seems to really believe in him.

Dear God, please no. NO. No. NOooooooooo!

 

[Luckylucci]

Dear God, please no. NO. No. NOooooooooo!

This is per BK. He said it after practice the other day.

 

[Big23Head]

2012 Farley sounds good, 2013 Farley sounds bad. Hopefully he was just thinking too much and putting too much pressure on himself last year, which I think he was doing.

 

[NDohio]

2012 Farley sounds good, 2013 Farley sounds bad. Hopefully he was just thinking too much and putting too much pressure on himself last year, which I think he was doing.

Didn't we declare post season that many of his tackling ills was because of a shoulder injury?

Or is that wishful thinking that I made up in my head?

 

[NDBoiler]

Didn't we declare post season that many of his tackling ills was because of a shoulder injury?

Or is that wishful thinking that I made up in my head?

I think that was the excuse for Bennett Jackson after the 2012 season IIRC.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It sounds like our Safeties fall into one of two groups-- Athletes and QBs. We'd all love to see two Athletes playing together, but you've gotta have at least one QB out there to get everyone lined up correctly.

Might explain Farley's uneven history as well. In 2012, he was just asked to be an Athlete, and he performed admirably. In 2013, they asked him to do some QBing, and he struggled. He's more athletic than Collinsworth, and has started more games than any other S on our roster; so maybe he's finally ready to QB.

Regardless, it's frustrating to have so much talent at S which never sees to field because of the mental demands of the position.

 

[PANDFAN]

Yea, so specifically Kelly has made a point to say that getting Redfield on the field is very important as he's such a gifted athlete back there. However, he isn't able to QB the back end the way they'd like. So, in turn they have to compensate by having somebody next to him that can. Since, that is where Shumate currently struggles it makes sense that it would go Collinsworth then Farley if Redfield is playing. Ideally, it would be Redfield and Shumate as I think its clear those two are the best athletes but neither is grasping the responsibilities like they need to.

Side note: Collinsworth continues to look good against the run or in short area situations but very shaky in coverage.

there goes my kool aid supply

 

[Domina Nostra]

It sounds like our Safeties fall into one of two groups-- Athletes and QBs. We'd all love to see two Athletes playing together, but you've gotta have at least one QB out there to get everyone lined up correctly.

Might explain Farley's uneven history as well. In 2012, he was just asked to be an Athlete, and he performed admirably. In 2013, they asked him to do some QBing, and he struggled. He's more athletic than Collinsworth, and has started more games than any other S on our roster; so maybe he's finally ready to QB.

Regardless, it's frustrating to have so much talent at S which never sees to field because of the mental demands of the position.

Well said.

Just a note. Alabama is DB-U and they had to get a JUCO to play the position in 2012. In 2013 they had two guyst that we recruited as well, and both really struggled.

Long story short, we have recruited pretty well at Safety. It just doesn't always pan out perfectly.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[Old Man Mike]

I watch and listen to Coach Tony and it seems to me that he KNOWS that Cam already knows almost everything that he needs to, even down to details and subtleties. He leads drills off with Cam, as if to visually show the others how the drill should be run. Then he concentrates intensely on how Tarean and Greg are doing it.

I think that while both Coach Tony and THE Coach want both Tarean and Greg to be totally ready come the opener, they really think that it is Tarean who is going to be, with Cam always reliably there for whatever's needed. Both coaches believe in Greg, no question, but I sense that they don't think that he is quite there yet on the blocking, trust-of-linemen, scheme-recognition, nor route running yet.

EVERYONE hopes that Greg's ready by Rice. But I believe that they're much more comfortable that Tarean and Cam will be fully so.

 

[Riddickulous]

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Cam looks faster. Maybe it's been too long since I've seen him in action.

 

[koonja]

Yea, so specifically Kelly has made a point to say that getting Redfield on the field is very important as he's such a gifted athlete back there. However, he isn't able to QB the back end the way they'd like. So, in turn they have to compensate by having somebody next to him that can. Since, that is where Shumate currently struggles it makes sense that it would go Collinsworth then Farley if Redfield is playing. Ideally, it would be Redfield and Shumate as I think its clear those two are the best athletes but neither is grasping the responsibilities like they need to.

Side note: Collinsworth continues to look good against the run or in short area situations but very shaky in coverage.

No way, Baratti is 6'2", 220 and runs a 4.4 laser! lol.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

It sounds like our Safeties fall into one of two groups-- Athletes and QBs. We'd all love to see two Athletes playing together, but you've gotta have at least one QB out there to get everyone lined up correctly.

Might explain Farley's uneven history as well. In 2012, he was just asked to be an Athlete, and he performed admirably. In 2013, they asked him to do some QBing, and he struggled. He's more athletic than Collinsworth, and has started more games than any other S on our roster; so maybe he's finally ready to QB.

Regardless, it's frustrating to have so much talent at S which never sees to field because of the mental demands of the position.

Whisky I really hope you are correct, but honestly I think we have seen his best. The Stanford debacle showed his instincts, and if those have not changed, I hope we don't see him.

 

[Rizzophil]

Well said.

Just a note. Alabama is DB-U and they had to get a JUCO to play the position in 2012. In 2013 they had two guyst that we recruited as well, and both really struggled.

Long story short, we have recruited pretty well at Safety. It just doesn't always pan out perfectly.

Ha Ha Clinton Dix was a first round draft pick. He couldn't have been that bad

 

[Irishman77]

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[TheRealLynch51]

Dear God, please no. NO. No. NOooooooooo!

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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

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I'm glad you picked up on that, I was hoping someone knew where that was from.

 

[Johannes]

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Ugh. Fix your collar, Jack.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whisky I really hope you are correct, but honestly I think we have seen his best. The Stanford debacle showed his instincts, and if those have not changed, I hope we don't see him.

Don't take my post as an endorsement of Farley, or a prediction that he'll somehow redeem himself this season. I'll be as nervous as anyone if he ends up seeing major minutes.

That said, I'm not as down on him as some around here. When asked to just be an Athlete in 2012, he performed admirably. The most logical way to square that with his painful 2013 season is "paralysis by analysis" from being asked to play QB instead of just Athlete. If true, that's mostly a mental thing, so it's not unreasonable to suggest he could improve significantly as an upperclassmen.

My post was mostly concerned with our S "positions"-- the Athlete and the DB QB. We have an abundance of Athletes, but a shortage of cerebral QB types. And--unfortunately--our QB types are both few and a significant downgrade in athleticism from our Athlete types. Collinsworth, Farley... who else?

So our dreams of a hyper-athletic duo like Redfield and Shumate flying around the secondary making plays will probably never come to fruition. We just have to hope that someone among the Safeties has the intangibles to be that veteran leader.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Ha Ha Clinton Dix was a first round draft pick. He couldn't have been that bad

I didn't say theire DBs were bad!

My point was that Alabama is the best recruiting team, and their strength is supposed to be CB. Yet they hit up JUCO ranks in 2012 to plug a huge hole at their supposedly strongest position (with an All-American), and then they got mediocre play out of 2 high 4-star CBs the following year.

Between Hardy, Collinsworth, Barratti, Farley, Procise, Shumate, Redfield, and Tranquil, I feel like we've gotten good athletes at safety. We've just had some injuries, bad luck, slow learners, etc.

 

[Wild Bill]

Don't take my post as an endorsement of Farley, or a prediction that he'll somehow redeem himself this season. I'll be as nervous as anyone if he ends up seeing major minutes.

That said, I'm not as down on him as some around here. When asked to just be an Athlete in 2012, he performed admirably. The most logical way to square that with his painful 2013 season is "paralysis by analysis" from being asked to play QB instead of just Athlete. If true, that's mostly a mental thing, so it's not unreasonable to suggest he could improve significantly as an upperclassmen.

My post was mostly concerned with our S "positions"-- the Athlete and the DB QB. We have an abundance of Athletes, but a shortage of cerebral QB types. And--unfortunately--our QB types are both few and a significant downgrade in athleticism from our Athlete types. Collinsworth, Farley... who else?

So our dreams of a hyper-athletic duo like Redfield and Shumate flying around the secondary making plays will probably never come to fruition. We just have to hope that someone among the Safeties has the intangibles to be that veteran leader.

It's difficult to gauge his football IQ right now but Max strikes me as a bright kid with ridiculous athleticism. He's the future QB of the secondary, in my opinion. As the season progresses and he builds confidence, it wouldn't surprise me if he emerges as the QB of the secondary this year (maybe it's wishful thinking he does it this year).

Next year he'll be locked into the role, and Shumate will start next to him. KeiVarae will return to be a two time AA, Luke and Watkins will lock down the other side of the field and we'll nickname them the loyal sons of boom.

Yeah, I like kool aid too. 'Bout to have me a glass right now.