2012 Fall Camp Thread

[BobD]

Eric Hansen ‏@hansenNDInsider
In Bovada.lv's final preseason odds, #NotreDame goes off at 40-1 to win college football national title. 12 teams with better odds ...

Should I ask the wife before I take out a mortgage and bet it all? or should I surprise her?

 

[Cali_domer]

Should I ask the wife before I take out a mortgage and bet it all? or should I surprise her?

Nah, after the second loss just surprise her with the Mayflower moving van. Honey I have decided we need to move to a 1 bedroom apartment in Compton to make us appreciate the good things we had.

 

[AllGoldEverything]

Where have all the practice videos been? Feel like I havent seen one in a while..

 

[tadman95]

ESPN's PTI - Talking about Kelly's comment about playing in Ireland. Generally bashing Kelly. A$$holes

Kornheiser asked Wilbon if he's down on Notre Dame. Wilbon says "As always!"

 

[Chamellion]

Where have all the practice videos been? Feel like I havent seen one in a while..

They're preparing for Navy. No practice footage is going to come out.

 

[arrowryan]

This thread has been so negative today. I hope all of this negativity is gone around 1:00 on Saturday

 

[Patulski]

This thread has been so negative today. I hope all of this negativity is gone around 1:00 on Saturday

I'm just glad that Kelly isn't giving us the Weis routine that Navy's offense was unstoppable, so ND had to score every time we had the ball.

It was a new low in ND football.

I'll be surprised if we don't beat them by 21+ points.

 

[peoriairish]

Congrats men. Nice to see KLM get one.

Brian Kelly ‏@CoachBrianKelly
Proud to announce @125NDFB 2012 Captains. Zack Martin, Tyler Eifert, Kapron Lewis-Moore, and Manti Te'o. Go Irish! #NDFB

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I'm just glad that Kelly isn't giving us the Weis routine that Navy's offense was unstoppable, so ND had to score every time we had the ball.

It was a new low in ND football.

I'll be surprised if we don't beat them by 21+ points.

lol yeah remember that? I just went numb when I heard that comment.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Congrats men. Nice to see KLM get one.

Brian Kelly ‏@CoachBrianKelly
Proud to announce @125NDFB 2012 Captains. Zack Martin, Tyler Eifert, Kapron Lewis-Moore, and Manti Te'o. Go Irish! #NDFB

This makes so much sense; instead of having game captains this year. Adding Zack is brilliant move. What good shape the leadership on this team is in.

 

[Grahambo]

Congrats men. Nice to see KLM get one.

Brian Kelly ‏@CoachBrianKelly
Proud to announce @125NDFB 2012 Captains. Zack Martin, Tyler Eifert, Kapron Lewis-Moore, and Manti Te'o. Go Irish! #NDFB

 

[NDdomer2]

They're preparing for Navy. No practice footage is going to come out.

The ICON videos will be good to have around again.

 

[NDBoiler]

I'm just glad that Kelly isn't giving us the Weis routine that Navy's offense was unstoppable, so ND had to score every time we had the ball.

It was a new low in ND football.

I'll be surprised if we don't beat them by 21+ points.

Ok, who are you and what did you do with Patulski?? grin:

 

[NDTH91]

ESPN's PTI - Talking about Kelly's comment about playing in Ireland. Generally bashing Kelly. A$$holes

Kornheiser asked Wilbon if he's down on Notre Dame. Wilbon says "As always!"

Watching this was brutal. I saw "Notre Dame" coming up on the little side ticker and decided to stay on ESPN and see what they had to say. They proceeded by ripping on BK and ND, and failing to make even one comment about the obvious reasons for which someone would not want to play a game in Ireland. I just flipped off the tv (in both senses) and went to class. It couldn't have been a more one-sided mudslinging and it was a disgusting thing to watch.

 

[Grahambo]

Watching this was brutal. I saw "Notre Dame" coming up on the little side ticker and decided to stay on ESPN and see what they had to say. They proceeded by ripping on BK and ND, and failing to make even one comment about the obvious reasons for which someone would not want to play a game in Ireland. I just flipped off the tv (in both senses) and went to class. It couldn't have been a more one-sided mudslinging and it was a disgusting thing to watch.

Sadly, most 'reporters' on ESPN just yell a lot. Hardly do any fact checking or any actual reporting/analyzing. PTI (has gotten worse over time), Skip Bayless, Reilly..you can take something they say, Google it and come up with actual fact faster then they try to.

There are very few guys that I will listen to talk on ESPN:

Trent Dilfer, Jon Gruden, Mike Tirico, SVP, Orel Hershiser, Hubie Brown, Nessler/Blackledge..there are a few more, just not important enough to remember I guess.

 

[Riddickulous]

This thread has been so negative today. I hope all of this negativity is gone around 1:00 on Saturday

"Oh my Goooooood. I can't believe we only put up 45 points today. We should've hung 70 on them. FIRE KELLY!!!!"

 

[UmphreakDomer]

proves Vegas doesn't think he makes much of an impact...they typically give .5 just for home field advantage

we DONT have home field advantage?

 

[NDhoosier]

The rest I put inline. This part about a beastly CAT. Kelly just said Romeo is a DOG, and that he has a lot of growing to do before he moves out of the DOG position. If you want to test my logic, which is rarer someone with all the skills who can play DOG, a CAT backer who can rush or cover the run, or a Defensive end? Right a DOG linebacker is the rarest. So why would a coach want to give that up to fill a few fans fantasies? He wouldn't.

I guess I just don't like hearing, "That simply isn't true . . . " I have never treated you that way.

Romeo is a freshman, a young one at that, he has a lot of growing to do period, that is hardly a valid point. Kelly basically just told you what I am saying, Romeo is not staying at DOG, he is there for depth and to get bigger and stronger in order to be a pass rusher.

Romeo is a DOG right now Bog, I am not arguing that, I know what Kelly said, you seem to be missing the point ENTIRELY. The move to DOG was for DEPTH and could very easily be changed, especially when the DOG position has Councell, Spond, Smith, and Mattingly in the depth chart next year. That is my whole point in this debate bog, Romeo will probably NOT stay at DOG, based on what his skill-set is and who is coming in next year. DOG had very little depth this year, especially with the Spond situation. And stop saying the line about Kelly saying he is going to special in pass coverage, he also said he had two BCS QBs last year. Romeo is very young still, he WILL grow and put on muscle with Longo.

Here are his recruiting profiles:
ESPN - DE (Pass rusher) Football Recruiting - Romeo Okwara - Player Profiles - ESPN
Scout - DE (Pass rusher) Scout.com: Romeo Okwara Profile
Rivals - WDE (Pass rusher) Romeo Okwara - Yahoo! Sports
247 - WDE (Pass rusher) Romeo Okwara

How does that make you think he was recruited for anything other than being a DE/CAT?
Again Bog, I am not saying Romeo is a bad player, he is simply playing a position that does not suit his strengths. If you think Romeo is good at DOG, you may 'get your O face going' if you see him at CAT/DE.

 

[irishog77]

Sadly, most 'reporters' on ESPN just yell a lot. Hardly do any fact checking or any actual reporting/analyzing. PTI (has gotten worse over time), Skip Bayless, Reilly..you can take something they say, Google it and come up with actual fact faster then they try to.

There are very few guys that I will listen to talk on ESPN:

Trent Dilfer, Jon Gruden, Mike Tirico, SVP, Orel Hershiser, Hubie Brown, Nessler/Blackledge..there are a few more, just not important enough to remember I guess.

Jenn Brown and Charissa Thompson

 

[pkt77242]

Wow, bery, that's a great point. Wouldanevethought to look for that. I am too busy dodging people taking pictures of me, mowing my lawn.

Seriously though; why would we use a four man front against Navy?

You would use the 4 man front against Navy to stop the FB dive. The 2 DTs line up in the A gaps (between center and guard) and have the sole responsibility to stop the FB dive plays. The problem with doing the single DT against Navy is that if your DT can be blocked one on one then it leaves the other 2 interior lineman free to get to the second level and block the ILBs. Now if your DT forces double teams be being disruptive than the one DT can be effective as well. I am generally a fan of the 4-4-3 against option teams like Navy, Army, Airforce and GT.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

From ITI. Pretty impressive to think this D will only lose 3 players from the front 7 positions after this year.

A closer look at the depth chart: Defense | Inside the Irish

A few more seniors on the O Side of the ball, but capable players will do what they need to do, where they need to do it. Really hoping some of the younger receivers show us what they are capable of.

A closer look at the depth chart: Offense | Inside the Irish

 

[ndfi78]

wtf? How does this even happen?

 

[fightingirish26]

Romeo is a freshman, a young one at that, he has a lot of growing to do period, that is hardly a valid point. Kelly basically just told you what I am saying, Romeo is not staying at DOG, he is there for depth and to get bigger and stronger in order to be a pass rusher.

Romeo is a DOG right now Bog, I am not arguing that, I know what Kelly said, you seem to be missing the point ENTIRELY. The move to DOG was for DEPTH and could very easily be changed, especially when the DOG position has Councell, Spond, Smith, and Mattingly in the depth chart next year. That is my whole point in this debate bog, Romeo will probably NOT stay at DOG, based on what his skill-set is and who is coming in next year. DOG had very little depth this year, especially with the Spond situation. And stop saying the line about Kelly saying he is going to special in pass coverage, he also said he had two BCS QBs last year. Romeo is very young still, he WILL grow and put on muscle with Longo.

Here are his recruiting profiles:
ESPN - DE (Pass rusher) Football Recruiting - Romeo Okwara - Player Profiles - ESPN
Scout - DE (Pass rusher) Scout.com: Romeo Okwara Profile
Rivals - WDE (Pass rusher) Romeo Okwara - Yahoo! Sports
247 - WDE (Pass rusher) Romeo Okwara

How does that make you think he was recruited for anything other than being a DE/CAT?
Again Bog, I am not saying Romeo is a bad player, he is simply playing a position that does not suit his strengths. If you think Romeo is good at DOG, you may 'get your O face going' if you see him at CAT/DE.

Yea but the staff doesn't use scout and rivals, or at least I hope not.

 

[RDU Irish]

Just picking this out of the Arnold article -

The fact Schwenke is pushing Nix at DT is not only surprising, but a very positive indicator for the season. Consider if you would rather have one really good DT or two above average ones? With two above average, they can go balls to the wall every snap knowing they will get a breather. Not exactly a highly conditioned position which makes the rotation/depth there that much more important.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

t’s starting to look like Romeo Okwara is too good of an athlete to keep off the field. After seeing how the Irish staff handled star freshmen Stephon Tuitt and Aaron Lynch, I don’t expect any freshman to make an overwhelming amount of big plays, if only because it’ll be difficult for them to earn opportunities, with the staff more worried about players being assignment capable and not physically dominant.

Just shows you how smart Kelly and his staff are and how smart these guys are not:

Here are his recruiting profiles:
ESPN - DE (Pass rusher) Football Recruiting - Romeo Okwara - Player Profiles - ESPN
Scout - DE (Pass rusher) Scout.com: Romeo Okwara Profile
Rivals - WDE (Pass rusher) Romeo Okwara - Yahoo! Sports
247 - WDE (Pass rusher) Romeo Okwara

I guess it is just time to sit back, get some fun between your legs and wait to see how things turn out.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You would use the 4 man front against Navy to stop the FB dive. The 2 DTs line up in the A gaps (between center and guard) and have the sole responsibility to stop the FB dive plays. The problem with doing the single DT against Navy is that if your DT can be blocked one on one then it leaves the other 2 interior lineman free to get to the second level and block the ILBs. Now if your DT forces double teams be being disruptive than the one DT can be effective as well. I am generally a fan of the 4-4-3 against option teams like Navy, Army, Airforce and GT.

That is righ! We did it last year with the db on one side and the lb on the other mirroring the pitch man. Thank you so much I just couldn't get that straight. I should have looked up articles on last year's game. You the man!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Just picking this out of the Arnold article -

The fact Schwenke is pushing Nix at DT is not only surprising, but a very positive indicator for the season. Consider if you would rather have one really good DT or two above average ones? With two above average, they can go balls to the wall every snap knowing they will get a breather. Not exactly a highly conditioned position which makes the rotation/depth there that much more important.

And then add Springman . . .

I hope I can say he will be well above average without touching anything off.

 

[RDU Irish]

I haven't really seen anything on Springman. Is he projected for anything more than garbage time this year? Seems between Tuitt sliding over on four man fronts and Nix getting solid competition from Schwenke, the NT is pretty well accounted for during prime time. If Springman gets meaningful reps this year that can only mean he is exceeding expectations.

 

[Meacon Irish]

Is there a presser today? And if so when and where can one watch it?

 

[FLDomer]

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