2012 Fall Camp Thread

[NOLAIrish]

How did Russel do his first year?

He took over in game three of that season. Threw a pick in that game -- Clemson beat NCSt pretty soundly -- and then proceeded to go the rest of the season without throwing another one. Wound up with 17 TDs, 1 INT, 1955 yds, 54% completion rate, and 388 yards rushing in what was essentially 10 games. NCSt went 6-7, but beat two ranked teams (ECU and UNC) and closed out the season on a 4-1 streak. Wilson didn't play in 2 of the losses: the opening-day drubbing by South Carolina and a blow-out loss to USF.

 

[polishjuice4]

Didn't Wilson play in a different offense than us. Being in a pro-style, I believe. I think it would be easier to put up numbers in our spread offense if you're short. Wilson is, of course, the exception.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

See? Everything will be okay. Just carefully review the four photo's below.

 

[arrowryan]

I talked to one of the players last night. He said Tommy Rees looks to be done, he has't taken any snaps this fall, not even with the second team offense. He also said the receivers look really good. He didn't say much about the secondary though

 

[EifertPower]

This offseason keeps getting worse and worse...now with news of Wood's issue that we suspect will be addressed this week.

Yes, we had depth at the RB position but that was largely because we thought we had a potential all-american RB in Wood. Riddick and Atkinson may be nice backup options but if we lose Wood I would no longer call RB a position of great strength.

This is the worst offseason i remember in a long time for ND football with decomittments, transfers, injuries, and suspensions. Sadly, one of the good news this offseason was the suspension of Tommy Rees.

I'm ususually drinking the Kool-Aid every year and i, for one, thought we were on our way to winning the national title when Rudolph hauled in that 95 yard td against Michigan 2 years ago, but i'm not feeling about things. However, i do trust Kelly as our coach so if we have patience he can eventually right the ship but maybe not until 2013 or 2014.

Since the season starts next week, i was wondering if anyone can sum up our injuries for the season. Who is out of the season? Who is injured but will return this season and how many games do we expect them out for? Who will we likely redshirt this year?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Carrico and Roberson, medicals.

Collinsworth, Welch, Lo Woods, Out.

Nichols, Massa, Spond unsure, maybe week to week.

Reese Calabreze and C Wood*, lack of inteligence, at least for Navy.

*Rumored.

Not sure if I missed anyone.

 

[connor_in]

Any truth to the rumor Bubonic Plauge swept thru the team a Mass this morning and Kelly is taking an all star NIC high s hool team to Dublin after he gets fitted for a toupe' due to tearing out his hair thanks to this team'sstress?

 

[Rhode Irish]

No.

 

[polishjuice4]

Carrico and Roberson, medicals.

Collinsworth, Welch, Lo Woods, Out.

Nichols, Massa, Spond unsure, maybe week to week.

Reese Calabreze and C Wood*, lack of inteligence, at least for Navy.

*Rumored.

Not sure if I missed anyone.

You miss some transfers-Prestwood (Is that official?) and some people I won't name.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

You miss some transfers-Prestwood (Is that official?) and some people I won't name.

PLEASE do not post things like this. It just creates rampant speculation.

 

[pkt77242]

EDIT: Russell Wilson might actually make it. Which is incredible for someone sub-6'... just look at how Kellen Moore never even got a shot. Also incredible considering he was a consensus 2 prospect.... all things considered, I have a feeling that after Pete Carroll gets fired that Russell Wilson will see the pine with the new coach and then float around the league like a Doug Flutie-esque journeyman... a guy clearly capable of playing QB at a high level but doesn't fit the "mold" of a franchise QB.

Here is Wilson's statline from last year: 225 of 309 for 3,175 yds and 33 TDs with 4 INTs and a 72.8% completion percentage. 79 rushes for 338 yards and 6 TDs. I think that's basically the ceiling for Everett.

Kellen Moore didn't get a chance because he doesn't have the arm strength not because of his height. Also he did make the Lions as their third QB. I think he can be an efficient back up but his lack of arm strength will hold him back.

 

[polishjuice4]

PLEASE do not post things like this. It just creates rampant speculation.

Sorry I meant Lynch and Shepard. I didn't want to say their names.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Sorry I meant Lynch and Shepard. I didn't want to say their names.

Haha ah gotcha. I thought you were referring to someone else you knew of. My bad.

 

[IrishLax]

Kellen Moore didn't get a chance because he doesn't have the arm strength not because of his height. Also he did make the Lions as their third QB. I think he can be an efficient back up but his lack of arm strength will hold him back.

That's quite inaccurate. Arm strength was certainly a factor, but being 6' and not 6'4" is what made him go completely undrafted.

Kellen Moore's father frustrated by NFL emphasis on height - NFL - Sporting News

Prospect perceptions: Height still crucial for QBs in draft – USATODAY.com

 

[elboricua]

That's quite inaccurate. Arm strength was certainly a factor, but being 6' and not 6'4" is what made him go completely undrafted.

Kellen Moore's father frustrated by NFL emphasis on height - NFL - Sporting News

Prospect perceptions: Height still crucial for QBs in draft – USATODAY.com

No, it was lack of arm strength and accuracy. He always seemed to have great accuracy, but when worked out by teams and I believe at the Senior Bowl, he couldn't make NFL throws with accuracy and he had no arm strength. Of course, that combined with his height made him undraftable but if he had had great accuracy and/or good arm strength he definitely would have been drafted.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

LAX, love you excelent points. But I am going through a thing about poorly written or communicated articles. And I appologise, I am not trying to sidetrack your point:

With a 50-3 career record, Moore is the winningest quarterback in college football history, and his 142 career touchdown passes are No. 2 on the all-time list. But those numbers don’t seem to matter much to NFL teams, who covet QBs bigger than the 6-0, 191-pound Moore.

Kellen Moore isnt the winningest division one quarterback of all times. The winningest never lost a game. And the NFL said he was too short, and most probably too dark, back in the day. Kellen may have the most wins, but that is entirely different than what was stated in the central thesis, two different things, indeed.

 

[IrishLax]

No, it was lack of arm strength and accuracy. He always seemed to have great accuracy, but when worked out by teams and I believe at the Senior Bowl, he couldn't make NFL throws with accuracy and he had no arm strength. Of course, that combined with his height made him undraftable but if he had had great accuracy and/or good arm strength he definitely would have been drafted.

......

If he is 6'4" and not 6' does he get drafted? Yes or no.

 

[yankeeND]

LAX, love you excelent points. But I am going through a thing about poorly written or communicated articles. And I appologise, I am not trying to sidetrack your point:



Kellen Moore isnt the winningest division one quarterback of all times. The winningest never lost a game. And the NFL said he was too short, and most probably too dark, back in the day. Kellen may have the most wins, but that is entirely different than what was stated in the central thesis, two different things, indeed.

All I'm saying is if Golson goes 50-3 in his carear I'd be the happiest guy ever! You just never know what a guy with this kind of talent and ability will do! No game is out of reach when your QB is able to extend the play! Really stoked about this still and even with the other bad news in the off-season and in fall camp I can't say I have ever been more excited to watch ND play! I think it's because there are so many young guys playing and it's all just unknown what to expect!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

All I'm saying is if Golson goes 50-3 in his carear I'd be the happiest guy ever! You just never know what a guy with this kind of talent and ability will do! No game is out of reach when your QB is able to extend the play! Really stoked about this still and even with the other bad news in the off-season and in fall camp I can't say I have ever been more excited to watch ND play! I think it's because there are so many young guys playing and it's all just unknown what to expect!

Now you are talking about something else. Anybody got a degree of difficulty comparison between Boisie State and ND schedules?

I believe if TR played with ND's team against a d3 schedule, he would look like Aaron Rogers.

 

[IrishLax]

LAX, love you excelent points. But I am going through a thing about poorly written or communicated articles. And I appologise, I am not trying to sidetrack your point:



Kellen Moore isnt the winningest division one quarterback of all times. The winningest never lost a game. And the NFL said he was too short, and most probably too dark, back in the day. Kellen may have the most wins, but that is entirely different than what was stated in the central thesis, two different things, indeed.

Winningest = most wins. That's why Michigan is the "winningest" college football program... because they have the most wins. From the dictionary:

win·ning·est   [win-ing-ist]
adjective Informal .
1.
winning most often

With that being said, I didn't even really read the articles... just went and grabbed the first couple off Google talking about the height issue. There are literally a half dozen articles on the first page when you google Kellen that talk in the title about the serious issue his height is... so I grabbed a couple.

My point was that height issues will usually drop you at least 2 rounds. No way Russel Wilson isn't drafted above Weden (and probably even Tannenhill) if he's 6'2". Instead he slides to mid-3rd. Kellen Moore lacks arm strength and accuracy on his throws over mid-range... still gets drafted in the 5th if he has adequate height.

 

[yankeeND]

Oh man I know Im just getting pumped up for football! At some point though any given Saturday has to go our way! It wouldn't hurt anybody's feelings if that happened 12 weeks in a row either! Well at least on this board!

 

[tdbaum1]

What's this talk of Cierre Wood? Would someone please shed some light for me.

 

[Cali_domer]

What's this talk of Cierre Wood? Would someone please shed some light for me.

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[tdbaum1]

haha...funny way to let me know what's going on. Not funny that we will probably lose one of our top offensive players for a game or two. Is this written anywhere?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Winningest = most wins. That's why Michigan is the "winningest" college football program... because they have the most wins. From the dictionary:

Quote:
win·ning·est   [win-ing-ist]
adjective Informal .
1.
winning most often

With that being said, I didn't even really read the articles... just went and grabbed the first couple off Google talking about the height issue. There are literally a half dozen articles on the first page when you google Kellen that talk in the title about the serious issue his height is... so I grabbed a couple.

My point was that height issues will usually drop you at least 2 rounds. No way Russel Wilson isn't drafted above Weden (and probably even Tannenhill) if he's 6'2". Instead he slides to mid-3rd. Kellen Moore lacks arm strength and accuracy on his throws over mid-range... still gets drafted in the 5th if he has adequate height.

"Often" to me implies frequency, which would be expressed as a percentage, instead of frequently, which the rest of the world uses. Thanks for saving me the time to have to disagree with, fight and maim strangers in internet arguements about meaningless points.

My other point, one that I think we can agree upon is that BSU is a machine against inferior competition. And that even a Tommy R would have fewer preceived weaknesses with the competition so slanted.

For example, how many future defensive backs did Kellen face in college with Boisie's schedule?

 

[china423]

“@KeithArnoldNBC: Cierre Wood suspended for season opener (maybe more) Cierre Wood suspended for season opener (maybe more) | Inside the Irish

 

[arrowryan]

I do think he should be suspended be anything more than 1 game would be a little carried away to me

 

[IrishLax]

"Often" to me implies frequency, which would be expressed as a percentage, instead of frequently, which the rest of the world uses. Thanks for saving me the time to have to disagree with, fight and maim strangers in internet arguements about meaningless points.

Interesting. I see what you're saying there. That actually is quite an ambiguous definition if you look at it that way. In fact, even the wikipedia article on "winningest" programs is ambiguous... it lists teams by both total wins and %.

List of NCAA football teams by wins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ND is #4 in all-time wins and #2 in winning percentage.

My other point, one that I think we can agree upon is that BSU is a machine against inferior competition. And that even a Tommy R would have fewer preceived weaknesses with the competition so slanted.

For example, how many future defensive backs did Kellen face in college with Boisie's schedule?

Not many on his day-to-day schedule... be he is also sure as heck sliced up defenses from Georgia, Virginia Tech, TCU, etc. that had quite a few of NFL players on them.

 

[arrowryan]

I have all the trust in the world in the offensive line, Theo Riddick, and GA3 to do more than what they need to do to get the job done. I am very happy this will only be a 1 game suspension

 

[gkIrish]

Brian Hardin ‏@NDHardin
#NotreDame coach Brian Kelly has suspended DE Justin Utupo and RB Cierre Wood two games for a violation of team rules.