2012 Fall Camp Thread

[Grimm]

Cooks quoted recent article @ B&G saying "Jackson is one of the better football players on team" also "Wood's game has been night and day different from last spring".

Also was questioned about the staffs excitement of incoming freshman Russell.

Cooks "KeiVarae looks like he's been in our system as a veteran for a year or two, not that he's doing everything right but he's not sticking out like a sore thumb"

This has been the most positive news out of the summer imo. If jackson and lo are legit starters, and Russell and Farley can provide some unexpected quality depth, this could be a year in which ND finally surprises. Just need to avoid injuries as this is a very thin group.

As a tangent, I really tried not to get sucked in this year. Last year really beat me up. But a week or two ago when there was that troll post about Golson being academically ineligible, I nearly passed out. I realized then that I'm all in despite pretending to myself I wasn't.

Last tangent, I think Sheldon Day will be the freshman of the year. The receivers will excite, but this guy's quickness will add something special to the d-line. Dealing with him in the fourth quarter after getting beat up all game by the starting 3 isn't going to be easy,

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

What he was expecting when he arrived in August of '08.

He's been through 2 head coaches, 3 OL coaches, I've lost count of OCs (if we ever really knew who the OCs were), 29 -22 record, and an injury.

The coaches are on the same page. The players are on the same page. They may not be ready for Carnegie Hall just yet but they're making more music together and less noise.

Now make Shake Down The Thunder in 85 part harmony.

Indeed, Kelly's team.

Plus, Diaco's hair has never looked better. If that's not a sign of things to come then I don't know what is.

 

[Buster Bluth]

This has been the most positive news out of the summer imo. If jackson and lo are legit starters, and Russell and Farley can provide some unexpected quality depth, this could be a year in which ND finally surprises. Just need to avoid injuries as this is a very thin group.

As a tangent, I really tried not to get sucked in this year. Last year really beat me up. But a week or two ago when there was that troll post about Golson being academically ineligible, I nearly passed out. I realized then that I'm all in despite pretending to myself I wasn't.

Last tangent, I think Sheldon Day will be the freshman of the year. The receivers will excite, but this guy's quickness will add something special to the d-line. Dealing with him in the fourth quarter after getting beat up all game by the starting 3 isn't going to be easy,

I highly doubt that Sheldon Day has a bigger impact than Neal or Brown. The DL's starters are top notch, the WR starters are not.

 

[Riddickulous]

This has been the most positive news out of the summer imo. If jackson and lo are legit starters, and Russell and Farley can provide some unexpected quality depth, this could be a year in which ND finally surprises. Just need to avoid injuries as this is a very thin group.

As a tangent, I really tried not to get sucked in this year. Last year really beat me up. But a week or two ago when there was that troll post about Golson being academically ineligible, I nearly passed out. I realized then that I'm all in despite pretending to myself I wasn't.

Last tangent, I think Sheldon Day will be the freshman of the year. The receivers will excite, but this guy's quickness will add something special to the d-line. Dealing with him in the fourth quarter after getting beat up all game by the starting 3 isn't going to be easy,

I myself am really struggling with this. I really bought into the hype in 2009 and 2011. Trying not to do it again until we actually show we can be a BCS team.

Indeed, Kelly's team.

Plus, Diaco's hair has never looked better. If that's not a sign for things to come then I don't know what is.

It's utterly magnificent.

 

[Grimm]

I highly doubt that Sheldon Day has a bigger impact than Neal or Brown. The DL's starters are top notch, the WR starters are not.

Yeah, I think Neal and Brown seem to be the overwhelming consensus on this board as likely highest impact players. Probably the best bet. I just have a feeling that Day will be special this year, and that if he can be disruptive getting to the QB it will make the biggest impact. I also think that older WRs will step up this year - and the clear consensus is that the RBs/TEs will be huge in the passing game. Even to dig myself further with you, I think if not Day, it will be another defensive recruit that will make the biggest impact as a Freshman - Russell or Shumate. If Russell can play well and often, it would be hard to argue he hasn't filled the bigger need.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I highly doubt that Sheldon Day has a bigger impact than Neal or Brown. The DL's starters are top notch, the WR starters are not.

Good logical point, bro. But we will talk about this after he plays in a few games. He is Johnny Torch and the Incredible Hulk all rolled in to one.

 

[connor_in]

A quote that stuck with me from media day..

Braxston Cave on returning for his 5th year.

Did u guys see the pic of Cave, Manti, Carlo, and (sorry blanking) at Cave's HS game...Manti tweeted later he may have to go to next weeks game too

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[GoldenIsThyFame]

Did u guys see the pic of Cave, Manti, Carlo, and (sorry blanking) at Cave's HS game...Manti tweeted later he may have to go to next weeks game too

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Big Lou was there too

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Penn High

 

[johnnykillz]

Cave is a ****ing monster!

 

[peoriairish]

Yeah... all those dudes are enormous, but they see normal sized because there is no point of comparison. It's the same thing with the olympics. My buddy brought up the idea (I'm sure stolen from somewhere) where they should have 1 normal person in every event to give us a comparison as to how incredibly talented those olympians are.

I think the same should be a rule for ND players. There should always be a 5'10" 200# average Joe in every picture with them to show how enormous these players are.

 

[obi wan mahoney]

I've read it a few different places that EG has only thrown one INT during fall camp. Sounds great, right? Does anyone have the stats from last year's fall camp for Rees or Crist?

 

[clashmore_mike]

Last year they threw all of the INTs

 

[Buster Bluth]

Does anyone have the stats from last year's fall camp for Rees or Crist?

Practice? We talkin' 'bout stats from practice??

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Buster, a chara,

What they are talking about is a point Kelly made about Golson's improvement. The fact that in (practice) 126 attempts he has only thrown one pick. And, Kelly said, that is why he was off of the heart-attack squad.

I though of a point about Day. Even with minimal injuries, playing as much two gap as ND does, Day could make a HUGE impact. Not having an elite backup is what caused our late game fade in years past. After all, what difference does scoring two touchdowns make, if you give them back up late?

Beir bua agus beannacht,


Grehar the Bogtrotter.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Buster, a chara,

What they are talking about is a point Kelly made about Golson's improvement. The fact that in (practice) 126 attempts he has only thrown one pick. And, Kelly said, that is why he was off of the heart-attack squad.

I though of a point about Day. Even with minimal injuries, playing as much two gap as ND does, Day could make a HUGE impact. Not having an elite backup is what caused our late game fade in years past. After all, what difference does scoring two touchdowns make, if you give them back up late?

Beir bua agus beannacht,


Grehar the Bogtrotter.

It was incredibly frustrating watching USC run through us and use the play action successfully at their leisure last year. With a healthy KLM (and God willing everyone else) Day will most certainly keep the line strong into the wee hours.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My point was we have five freshmen that will all have impact in my opinion: Brown, Neal, Day, Okwara, and one other that I am not either smart enough to figure out or willing to say outloud as their playing would not be good for ND in the first place. Now I hope it is only four.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

It was incredibly frustrating watching USC run through us and use the play action successfully at their leisure last year. With a healthy KLM (and God willing everyone else) Day will most certainly keep the line strong into the wee hours.

Keep in mind that Manti was basically playing on one leg during the game.
He'll have something to say about SC's running attack this season.

Ugh, just had flashbacks of Fox and Shembo (I think) missing Barkley after having him dead to rights, on those bootlegs.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I thought that was Fleming on one occasion.

 

[BurningRiver]

That kool-aid is looking more and more appetizing every day. Trying to stay away from it, but it's hard not to after hearing all of the reports from practice.

 

[Crimson streak]

That kool-aid is looking more and more appetizing every day. Trying to stay away from it, but it's hard not to after hearing all of the reports from practice.

I know and I keep thinking what if golson lights it up. We would have a crazy good qb for the next 3 years after this year.

 

[Grimm]

My point was we have five freshmen that will all have impact in my opinion: Brown, Neal, Day, Okwara, and one other that I am not either smart enough to figure out or willing to say outloud as their playing would not be good for ND in the first place. Now I hope it is only four.

Just curious as to whether you think it will be likely whether Russell will end up seeing meaningful time. I guess the CBs can play most of the game, so absent injury don't need to get to 3 deep unless mop up time? Or does Russell move into a 2 position? I was struck at Cooks comments about him looking like he has 1 or 2 seasons of experience ... and not alot of talk about the other guys.

 

[Grimm]

I know and I keep thinking what if golson lights it up. We would have a crazy good qb for the next 3 years after this year.

In the spirit of just chat room crazy speculation given he hasn't played one down in a real game and Kiel is still in diapers ... but what do people think Golson's ceiling is (knowing that many feel he will be better than Rice!) and will he be good enough to keep Kiel off the field. The reason I ask is that I just get this feeling that Kiel could be one of the best QB's in nation with 1 season as a starter and a top 2 guy if he gets to a 3rd season as a starter. The type of guy that can go in the first round. Trying to read into Kelly's minimal comments so far I get this sense that he is like "whoa, this guy is no joke." I see Golson being a very solid to good quarterback. I'm less certain about elite status and I will be curious to how his body holds up to 300lbs smashing into him on a weekly basis. Anyway, it will be more fun having that debate than the Rees, Hendrix, Golson debate.

 

[IrishLax]

IMO Golson has a ceiling similar to Russel Wilson... not 6' tall so not a serious pro prospect but the athletic ability, arm, and "playmaker" ability to be a Heisman contender under the right circumstances.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

IMO Golson has a ceiling similar to Russel Wilson... not 6' tall so not a serious pro prospect but the athletic ability, arm, and "playmaker" ability to be a Heisman contender under the right circumstances.

I'm hoping he can turn into a Pat White. He's got that long stride

 

[Buster Bluth]

IMO Golson has a ceiling similar to Russel Wilson... not 6' tall so not a serious pro prospect but the athletic ability, arm, and "playmaker" ability to be a Heisman contender under the right circumstances.

Sounds like Troy Smith too.

 

[tadman95]

IMO Golson has a ceiling similar to Russel Wilson... not 6' tall so not a serious pro prospect but the athletic ability, arm, and "playmaker" ability to be a Heisman contender under the right circumstances.

Wilson looks like a pretty serious prospect. So far he's the best QB Seattle has. Golson studied Wilson and Brees since the spring. Height will always be a disadvantage but can be played around.

 

[Grahambo]

IMO Golson has a ceiling similar to Russel Wilson... not 6' tall so not a serious pro prospect but the athletic ability, arm, and "playmaker" ability to be a Heisman contender under the right circumstances.

If we get Russ Wilson behind the center, I will gladly take it but I do hope he improves even more then Russ.

 

[Irishman77]

My point was we have five freshmen that will all have impact in my opinion: Brown, Neal, Day, Okwara, and one other that I am not either smart enough to figure out or willing to say outloud as their playing would not be good for ND in the first place. Now I hope it is only four.

U wanna say Kiel don't ya

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Manti just tweeted: "Let's go Andrew!!!"
I wonder if it means anything as to who our starter is.