'19 GA S Kyle Hamilton (Notre Dame Signee)

[CoachB]

I have seen him ranging from 2 to 11. His 40 at his pro day might help determine where he falls in that range.

 

[Irish#1]

When is Pro Day?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

When is Pro Day?

Friday

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Safeties generally don't go that high but he's not your prototypical safety. I sincerely hope he doesn't go to Detroit...hoping the Lions draft Hutch or Kayvon at EDGE, I just don't want to see Kyle's potential get ruined by that shit franchise.

 

[Green Mountains]

I don't think the Giants will take him at 5, that's got to be an offensive tackle.....but if he doesn't get picked at 6, he's probably the best available for the G'men's next pick at 7. And that's tough to ignore. I'm not sure how the new Giants team views best available vs needs. Safety is clearly a need....but so is everything else.

With all that said, I can see the Giants trading out of 7th pick for another first rounder next year and plus more depth. They need to make sure they have two 1's in 2023 if Daniel Jones isn't the man.

 

[Green Mountains]

The Atletics' Nick Baumgardner has him going to 5 to the NY Football Giants

 

[dublinirish]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I hope to all that is good in this world he doesnt go to the Lions.

 

[Irish#1]

Smart move. They already know what he can do, so just prep for the 40.

 

[T-Boone]

You'd take one look at his film to see how fast he is.
He always seems a couple of feet ahead just in being able to diagnose what is about to happen. Do they test for that at combines?

 

[clashmore_mike]

 

[IrishLax]

Teams are now spreading misinformation that he ran in the 4.7s at his pro day in order to get him to drop in the draft so they have a chance to pick him.

 

[Rogue219]

Still baffles me after all this time that people actually determine if a guy can play football by making him run forty yards in a straight line.

 

[NDdomer2]

Still baffles me after all this time that people actually determine if a guy can play football by making him run forty yards in a straight line.

i dont think they do, i think they use it to try and do exactly what LAX is referencing, change others opinions of his true value in order to buy low etc.

 

[IrishLax]

i dont think they do, i think they use it to try and do exactly what LAX is referencing, change others opinions of his true value in order to buy low etc.

Exactly. For example, Washington badly needs a safety and they're sitting at 11. If they can convince enough teams to pass, then they get a steal. All you have to do is leak it out there "we hand timed him at 4.7" and you start altering perception a little.

 

[arrowryan]

If he drops outside the top 10, I think that is a good representation why the same shit teams draft in the top 10 every year.

 

[arrowryan]

Exactly. For example, Washington badly needs a safety and they're sitting at 11. If they can convince enough teams to pass, then they get a steal. All you have to do is leak it out there "we hand timed him at 4.7" and you start altering perception a little.

If a team didn't make the effort to go to the pro day and get his 40 time, were they that interested in the first place?

 

[IrishLax]

If a team didn't make the effort to go to the pro day and get his 40 time, were they that interested in the first place?

I don't think it's that teams will reject their own hand time in favor of what was leaked by someone else, I think it's that GMs want to make popular picks for a lot of these teams. Teams often subscribe to group think in the top 10 because it's easier to say "well everyone thought this QB was going to be good!" then to stick your neck out and have it go bust. It can also be a leverage play in many cases if you don't have the draft capital to move up X spots but you can move up to Y if they fall there, or you want to protect against teams thinking they need to leapfrog you. We saw that with planted stories on QBs in last year's draft, and I think it's par for the course. Disinformation can mask your intentions... so if you're drafting ~7 and you leak "we hand timed him at 4.7 and don't want him" then that can alter whether the #8 team thinks they need to trade up to #6 for Hamilton, etc.

Bottom line is I just don't trust anything that is said post-combine up to the draft.

 

[DONTH8]

I don't think it's that teams will reject their own hand time in favor of what was leaked by someone else, I think it's that GMs want to make popular picks for a lot of these teams. Teams often subscribe to group think in the top 10 because it's easier to say "well everyone thought this QB was going to be good!" then to stick your neck out and have it go bust. It can also be a leverage play in many cases if you don't have the draft capital to move up X spots but you can move up to Y if they fall there, or you want to protect against teams thinking they need to leapfrog you. We saw that with planted stories on QBs in last year's draft, and I think it's par for the course. Disinformation can mask your intentions... so if you're drafting ~7 and you leak "we hand timed him at 4.7 and don't want him" then that can alter whether the #8 team thinks they need to trade up to #6 for Hamilton, etc.

Bottom line is I just don't trust anything that is said post-combine up to the draft.

My favorite last year was the stuff around Justin Fields and sleep problems. Thought for sure it was Belicheck putting it out there so he would drop to them.

 

[Rogue219]

If he drops outside the top 10, I think that is a good representation why the same shit teams draft in the top 10 every year.

Exactly. It sounds great, a bunch of idiots trying to outsmart themselves by playing 4D chess, but if you watch film of these guys actually playing actual football, the part where they run around in their skivvies indoors is simply a minor component to the process.

Kyle and Kyren may not medal in track at the Olympics, but they can play ball. By all means, though, let the GMs overthink themselves out of their jobs.

 

[yankeehater]

I don't think it's that teams will reject their own hand time in favor of what was leaked by someone else, I think it's that GMs want to make popular picks for a lot of these teams. Teams often subscribe to group think in the top 10 because it's easier to say "well everyone thought this QB was going to be good!" then to stick your neck out and have it go bust. It can also be a leverage play in many cases if you don't have the draft capital to move up X spots but you can move up to Y if they fall there, or you want to protect against teams thinking they need to leapfrog you. We saw that with planted stories on QBs in last year's draft, and I think it's par for the course. Disinformation can mask your intentions... so if you're drafting ~7 and you leak "we hand timed him at 4.7 and don't want him" then that can alter whether the #8 team thinks they need to trade up to #6 for Hamilton, etc.

Bottom line is I just don't trust anything that is said post-combine up to the draft.

Sounds similar to college recruiting with the star rankings and when one school offers others are quick to follow.

 

[BobbyMac]

Putting this here for future analysis.

I have no idea what the Lions need & I wouldn't take him at #2 either but the list is very short of guys I'd pick instead of him.

And LOL at Edwards for saying "something about ND safeties that doesn't translate in the NFL" and them names guys from 5 coaches ago + Zibby but fails to mention Hayseed. Whata toolbag.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Putting this here for future analysis.

I have no idea what the Lions need & I wouldn't take him at #2 either but the list is very short of guys I'd pick instead of him.

And LOL at Edwards for saying "something about ND safeties that doesn't translate in the NFL" and them names guys from 5 coaches ago + Zibby but fails to mention Hayseed. Whata toolbag.

Kinda like Michigan WR's

 

[Irish#1]

Putting this here for future analysis.

I have no idea what the Lions need & I wouldn't take him at #2 either but the list is very short of guys I'd pick instead of him.

And LOL at Edwards for saying "something about ND safeties that doesn't translate in the NFL" and them names guys from 5 coaches ago + Zibby but fails to mention Hayseed. Whata toolbag.

Safety is something of a "quiet" position. There's not a lot of flash like a DE, QB or WR. Having said that, that quiet position can have as much impact as they can shutdown half of the field on almost every play.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Putting this here for future analysis.

I have no idea what the Lions need & I wouldn't take him at #2 either but the list is very short of guys I'd pick instead of him.

And LOL at Edwards for saying "something about ND safeties that doesn't translate in the NFL" and them names guys from 5 coaches ago + Zibby but fails to mention Hayseed. Whata toolbag.

Heard about this guy named Harrison Smith who is pretty damn good...

This was a terrible take by both of these guys. He took over plenty of games. Watch the FSU tape you clowns...

 

[irishff1014]

Everyone has seen what Kyle can do when he is healthy. He would be starting on EVERY college football team there is if he was enrolled there. This means nothing IMO. You don't run the 40 with all your gear on nor do you get to start sprinting from a dead stop. If any team holds that against him they are making a huge mistake. He is going to be healthy for whatever team drafts him and his is going to start.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Everyone has seen what Kyle can do when he is healthy. He would be starting on EVERY college football team there is if he was enrolled there. The means nothing IMO. You don't run the 40 with all your gear on nor do you get to start sprinting from a dead stop. IF any team holds that against him they are making a huge mistake. He is going to be healthy for whatever team drafts him and his is going to start.

I agree, you see how many guys run blazing 40 times but they don't pan out. There's a lot more that makes up a football player.

40 times have nothing to do with intangibles such as instincts, which Kyle Hamilton is certainly in the 99th percentile in that regard.

 

[dublinirish]

Woodward Sports is the most trash sports talk radio outfit going

 

[Riddickulous]

Going to the Ravens at 14

 

[irishff1014]

Going to the Ravens at 14

Steal for the ravens. A lot of the mocks were wrong.