'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

[pumpdog20]

Hitting a deep ball in stride... that'll be nice to watch this fall.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Apologies if this has been answered. Is there an actual possibility that Sam leaves with Rees? Or is he locked in since he has enrolled?

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Apologies if this has been answered. Is there an actual possibility that Sam leaves with Rees? Or is he locked in since he has enrolled?

From what I've read, he wouldn't be able to transfer until after the spring semester, which IMO, would be incredibly difficult to take over a starting job after spring practice. Especially at a place that has the high expectations Bama does.

 

[stlnd01]

Apologies if this has been answered. Is there an actual possibility that Sam leaves with Rees? Or is he locked in since he has enrolled?

I don't have definitive knowledge but he's enrolled for spring semester and Alabama started classes a few weeks ago so it seems unlikely he could leave this spring. I think grad transfers have pretty wide latitude though, so maybe it's possible over the summer.

 

[IrishLion]

Drake Maye supposedly got a say in UNC's OC hire after Longo left for Wiscy...

Do you think MFMF uses Hartman as a sounding board, just to keep him engaged preventing any tension with the 6th-year rental???

 

[TheRealLynch51]

Drake Maye supposedly got a say in UNC's OC hire after Longo left for Wiscy...

Do you think MFMF uses Hartman as a sounding board, just to keep him engaged preventing any tension with the 6th-year rental???

I definitely think he does. He's one of the best QB's in college football. Would be a "kill a two birds with one stone scenario" for Freeman. He wants to run a pro-style offense anyways, so it wouldn't hurt to have Hartman give his input during the hiring process. Keeps Hartman engaged, but can let Freeman make the final hiring decision.

 

[stlnd01]

I definitely think he does. He's one of the best QB's in college football. Would be a "kill a two birds with one stone scenario" for Freeman. He wants to run a pro-style offense anyways, so it wouldn't hurt to have Hartman give his input during the hiring process. Keeps Hartman engaged, but can let Freeman make the final hiring decision.

Also I think at this point in the cycle Freeman's best bet might be someone currently coaching QBs in the NFL. So confer with the guy who came here to become an NFL QB.

 

[ulukinatme]

I love Freeman, but we already let the inmates run the asylum a bit with the HC hiring process. I don't know if you let Hartman have any strong input one way or the other. If Freeman needs somebody I think it should be someone he's comfortable with and will run the system he wants to put in place. Can't see marrying yourself and putting your career on the line for a guy that a 22-23 year old wants to be coached under for a year.

 

[irishff1014]

I love Freeman, but we already let the inmates run the asylum a bit with the HC hiring process. I don't know if you let Hartman have any strong input one way or the other. If Freeman needs somebody I think it should be someone he's comfortable with and will run the system he wants to put in place. Can't see marrying yourself and putting your career on the line for a guy that a 22-23 year old wants to be coached under for a year.

Very good point!

 

[MacIrish75]

Very good point!

I think what is getting lost in all this is that when Hartman committed to ND, his commentary was that he could use the Notre Dame pedigree, notoriety, and roster to further increase his draft profile.

While Tommy Rees and Hartman may have a solid relationship, this wasn’t a situation where he ever came out and stated explicitly that TR was a major factor in his decision.

If TR leaves, all of the rationale behind why he chose to come to ND remains. If Rees does leave—As long as we don’t hire a complete turd as our OC, I don’t foresee him skipping town.

 

[stpeteirish]

He can easily move again in May. Academics are of almost no importance here; he's at ND to enhance his draft stock and make money. He'll be able to do both at Bama as well.
The scenario that scares me is if Rees goes thru spring ball at Bama and decides he doesn't like his QB room and makes a run at Hartman. He landed him once... A lot will depend on the ND OC hire and how he handles Sam
I'm not TOO concerned since Bama didn't pursue Hartman in Dec. Saban must have made that call ... he decides everything there, right? But he's also known to give his coordinators rope to hang themselves so if Tommy pushes hard for Sam Saban might just let him do it. And if Bama wants him they get him more often than not.

 

[stlnd01]

He can easily move again in May. Academics are of almost no importance here; he's at ND to enhance his draft stock and make money. He'll be able to do both at Bama as well.
The scenario that scares me is if Rees goes thru spring ball at Bama and decides he doesn't like his QB room and makes a run at Hartman. He landed him once... A lot will depend on the ND OC hire and how he handles Sam
I'm not TOO concerned since Bama didn't pursue Hartman in Dec. Saban must have made that call ... he decides everything there, right? But he's also known to give his coordinators rope to hang themselves so if Tommy pushes hard for Sam Saban might just let him do it. And if Bama wants him they get him more often than not.

Yep. That's the worry. Because anything Hartman can do at Notre Dame, he can probably do even more of at Bama.
I can't remember; who does Bama have coming next at QB? When Young got hurt this year that backup didn't look super impressive, if I recall.

 

[Ndaccountant]

On the other hand, perhaps Sam feels burned by Tommy. I know I would be. Would you want to trust the same man who left you high and dry?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Yep. That's the worry. Because anything Hartman can do at Notre Dame, he can probably do even more of at Bama.
I can't remember; who does Bama have coming next at QB? When Young got hurt this year that backup didn't look super impressive, if I recall.

The backup is a run-first kid who is very adept at it. Not saying he can’t be a good passer b/c I don’t know his entire background and he hasn’t had the requisite reps but seems like they’d prefer someone more polished.

 

[Irish4life]

Hartman isn't leaving

 

[FWIrish4]

Also I think at this point in the cycle Freeman's best bet might be someone currently coaching QBs in the NFL. So confer with the guy who came here to become an NFL QB.

Give me someone on SF’s offensive staff. I absolutely love what they do with tight ends and their creativity running the ball. Would fit our personnel well.

 

[NDRock]

Give me someone on SF’s offensive staff. I absolutely love what they do with tight ends and their creativity running the ball. Would fit our personnel well.

Yeah. That’s the type offense I’ve been wanting for years at ND. Fits the profile of what we recruit the best. Not sure how QB friendly it is for young players.

 

[Irish4life]

 

[T-Boone]

I thought that was Jarrett Patterson until he turned around

 

[dublinirish]

Ah he might just be a dawg


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[Irish2155]

 

[notredomer23]

He’s got that dawg in him

 

[IAIrish]

Baller. Love it .

 

[irishandy]

Why would Hartman leave, he is our guaranteed starter for this coming year.

Throughout his search for an OC MF can market Hartman for the next OC. This offense has potential.

 

[ThePiombino]

Why would Hartman leave, he is our guaranteed starter for this coming year.

Throughout his search for an OC MF can market Hartman for the next OC. This offense has potential.

Guaranteed? No. Odds on favorite? Yes.

 

[stlnd01]

Why would Hartman leave, he is our guaranteed starter for this coming year.

Throughout his search for an OC MF can market Hartman for the next OC. This offense has potential.

Because he could just as easily be the starter at, say, Alabama?

To be clear I don't think Hartman is going anywhere. Probably it'll be fine. But it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially if we hire an OC whose system doesn't mesh with Hartman's skills. He came to ND to boost his draft stock and if he doesn't think that'll happen he's free to move on.

It's a weird dynamic, potentially giving a one-year-rental QB veto power over the biggest hire of Freeman's tenure. But welcome to college football in 2023.

 

[stpeteirish]

The backup is a run-first kid who is very adept at it. Not saying he can’t be a good passer b/c I don’t know his entire background and he hasn’t had the requisite reps but seems like they’d prefer someone more polished.

They also have Ty Simpson a 4 star guy who we recruited. Probably a better all around prospect than the guy who played this year for the one game Young was hurt. They added 2 fairly highly rated guys on signing day. So their QB room is well stocked but very inexperienced. Hartman might be attractive to them but the didn't make a run on him in Dec so they probably won't in May unless Tommy pounds the table and Saban says OK.

Saban like to change OC's every year anyway. One false move Tommy boy and you're on the market again.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I don’t think Bama is a threat here. They will start with Milroe but I think Simpson will be given his opportunity rather quickly.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I don’t think Bama is a threat here. They will start with Milroe but I think Simpson will be given his opportunity rather quickly.

How tall are they?
Tommy likes them little.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Are we certain Hartman is fully locked in at ND? I only ask because we haven't seen him made available to the press which is....odd. All of the other grad transfers were interviewed and some of the incoming freshman but the player who'll be the face of the team this next year hasn't had his moment at the mic?

I don't want to ring alarm bells but it seems like a curious thing. Maybe I missed something?