'18 SC QB Sam Hartman (Notre Dame Transfer)

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If the WR and TE rooms take a nice step forward this year, the offense should be pretty exciting to watch develop (in a good way)!
 

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If the WR and TE rooms take a nice step forward this year, the offense should be pretty exciting to watch develop (in a good way)!
This is virtually impossible with Meyer departing, though I get what you're saying. There is plenty of promising, young talent in the group, hopefully they can each find a niche and contribute. Mitchell Evans showed some promise in the Gator Bowl. Hopefully Raridon can stay healthy and get some playing time, he could have a really nice career here.
 
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I read one set of comparisons that listed Hartman as the 5th best (seriously considerable) NCAA QB for long passing ability this coming year. (The four ahead of him were Williams, Maye, Jackson State's guy, and LSUs guy.) Some of that could be the slightly longer look that he gets in that odd slow-mesh offense, but he still has to deliver the ball in the right places and have the smarts and courage to do so.

As an aside, this has already probably been mentioned, but the NFL scouts downgrade Sam because they don't like that slow-mesh offense as preparation. Hartman, almost surely, wants to demonstrate his NFL readiness by running an NFL style offense. Tommy is on the spot now to deliver an offense that Notre Dame likes and that Sam likes. Hopefully that's no problem for anyone.
Well, other than opposing defenses. ;)
 

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Hitting a deep ball in stride... that'll be nice to watch this fall.
 

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Apologies if this has been answered. Is there an actual possibility that Sam leaves with Rees? Or is he locked in since he has enrolled?
 

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Apologies if this has been answered. Is there an actual possibility that Sam leaves with Rees? Or is he locked in since he has enrolled?
From what I've read, he wouldn't be able to transfer until after the spring semester, which IMO, would be incredibly difficult to take over a starting job after spring practice. Especially at a place that has the high expectations Bama does.
 

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Apologies if this has been answered. Is there an actual possibility that Sam leaves with Rees? Or is he locked in since he has enrolled?
I don't have definitive knowledge but he's enrolled for spring semester and Alabama started classes a few weeks ago so it seems unlikely he could leave this spring. I think grad transfers have pretty wide latitude though, so maybe it's possible over the summer.
 

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Drake Maye supposedly got a say in UNC's OC hire after Longo left for Wiscy...

Do you think MFMF uses Hartman as a sounding board, just to keep him engaged preventing any tension with the 6th-year rental???
 

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Drake Maye supposedly got a say in UNC's OC hire after Longo left for Wiscy...

Do you think MFMF uses Hartman as a sounding board, just to keep him engaged preventing any tension with the 6th-year rental???
I definitely think he does. He's one of the best QB's in college football. Would be a "kill a two birds with one stone scenario" for Freeman. He wants to run a pro-style offense anyways, so it wouldn't hurt to have Hartman give his input during the hiring process. Keeps Hartman engaged, but can let Freeman make the final hiring decision.
 

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I definitely think he does. He's one of the best QB's in college football. Would be a "kill a two birds with one stone scenario" for Freeman. He wants to run a pro-style offense anyways, so it wouldn't hurt to have Hartman give his input during the hiring process. Keeps Hartman engaged, but can let Freeman make the final hiring decision.
Also I think at this point in the cycle Freeman's best bet might be someone currently coaching QBs in the NFL. So confer with the guy who came here to become an NFL QB.
 

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I love Freeman, but we already let the inmates run the asylum a bit with the HC hiring process. I don't know if you let Hartman have any strong input one way or the other. If Freeman needs somebody I think it should be someone he's comfortable with and will run the system he wants to put in place. Can't see marrying yourself and putting your career on the line for a guy that a 22-23 year old wants to be coached under for a year.
 

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I love Freeman, but we already let the inmates run the asylum a bit with the HC hiring process. I don't know if you let Hartman have any strong input one way or the other. If Freeman needs somebody I think it should be someone he's comfortable with and will run the system he wants to put in place. Can't see marrying yourself and putting your career on the line for a guy that a 22-23 year old wants to be coached under for a year.

Very good point!
 

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Very good point!
I think what is getting lost in all this is that when Hartman committed to ND, his commentary was that he could use the Notre Dame pedigree, notoriety, and roster to further increase his draft profile.

While Tommy Rees and Hartman may have a solid relationship, this wasn’t a situation where he ever came out and stated explicitly that TR was a major factor in his decision.

If TR leaves, all of the rationale behind why he chose to come to ND remains. If Rees does leave—As long as we don’t hire a complete turd as our OC, I don’t foresee him skipping town.
 

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He can easily move again in May. Academics are of almost no importance here; he's at ND to enhance his draft stock and make money. He'll be able to do both at Bama as well.
The scenario that scares me is if Rees goes thru spring ball at Bama and decides he doesn't like his QB room and makes a run at Hartman. He landed him once... A lot will depend on the ND OC hire and how he handles Sam
I'm not TOO concerned since Bama didn't pursue Hartman in Dec. Saban must have made that call ... he decides everything there, right? But he's also known to give his coordinators rope to hang themselves so if Tommy pushes hard for Sam Saban might just let him do it. And if Bama wants him they get him more often than not.
 

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He can easily move again in May. Academics are of almost no importance here; he's at ND to enhance his draft stock and make money. He'll be able to do both at Bama as well.
The scenario that scares me is if Rees goes thru spring ball at Bama and decides he doesn't like his QB room and makes a run at Hartman. He landed him once... A lot will depend on the ND OC hire and how he handles Sam
I'm not TOO concerned since Bama didn't pursue Hartman in Dec. Saban must have made that call ... he decides everything there, right? But he's also known to give his coordinators rope to hang themselves so if Tommy pushes hard for Sam Saban might just let him do it. And if Bama wants him they get him more often than not.
Yep. That's the worry. Because anything Hartman can do at Notre Dame, he can probably do even more of at Bama.
I can't remember; who does Bama have coming next at QB? When Young got hurt this year that backup didn't look super impressive, if I recall.
 

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Yep. That's the worry. Because anything Hartman can do at Notre Dame, he can probably do even more of at Bama.
I can't remember; who does Bama have coming next at QB? When Young got hurt this year that backup didn't look super impressive, if I recall.
The backup is a run-first kid who is very adept at it. Not saying he can’t be a good passer b/c I don’t know his entire background and he hasn’t had the requisite reps but seems like they’d prefer someone more polished.
 

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Also I think at this point in the cycle Freeman's best bet might be someone currently coaching QBs in the NFL. So confer with the guy who came here to become an NFL QB.
Give me someone on SF’s offensive staff. I absolutely love what they do with tight ends and their creativity running the ball. Would fit our personnel well.
 

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Give me someone on SF’s offensive staff. I absolutely love what they do with tight ends and their creativity running the ball. Would fit our personnel well.
Yeah. That’s the type offense I’ve been wanting for years at ND. Fits the profile of what we recruit the best. Not sure how QB friendly it is for young players.
 

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I thought that was Jarrett Patterson until he turned around
 

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Why would Hartman leave, he is our guaranteed starter for this coming year.

Throughout his search for an OC MF can market Hartman for the next OC. This offense has potential.
 

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Why would Hartman leave, he is our guaranteed starter for this coming year.

Throughout his search for an OC MF can market Hartman for the next OC. This offense has potential.
Guaranteed? No. Odds on favorite? Yes.
 

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Why would Hartman leave, he is our guaranteed starter for this coming year.

Throughout his search for an OC MF can market Hartman for the next OC. This offense has potential.
Because he could just as easily be the starter at, say, Alabama?

To be clear I don't think Hartman is going anywhere. Probably it'll be fine. But it's not out of the realm of possibility, especially if we hire an OC whose system doesn't mesh with Hartman's skills. He came to ND to boost his draft stock and if he doesn't think that'll happen he's free to move on.

It's a weird dynamic, potentially giving a one-year-rental QB veto power over the biggest hire of Freeman's tenure. But welcome to college football in 2023.
 
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