'18 GA QB Trevor Lawrence (Clemson Verbal)

[NDdomer2]

Would he even eneterthe nfl if he's making that much playing g in AAF. Why take a pay cut to the rookie wage scale?

 

[NDRock]

Would he even eneterthe nfl if he's making that much playing g in AAF. Why take a pay cut to the rookie wage scale?

Sounds like he would be making the money from endorsements, not salary. Go to the NFL and collect a large salary plus the endorsements.

 

[irishandy]

Say this happens a kid goes to the AAF or XFL and flops? What if the AAF or XFL flops? Lawrence could flop in 2019, I highly doubt it, but give me college football over the AAF or XFL any day.

 

[NDRock]

Say this happens a kid goes to the AAF or XFL and flops? What if the AAF or XFL flops? Lawrence could flop in 2019, I highly doubt it, but give me college football over the AAF or XFL any day.

Highly rated kids coming out of high school flop all the time in college. The bright side for them is they would be getting paid. As far as "stars" like Lawrence or Bosa or Clowney who essentially want to skip their last year or two, nothing they do (beside injury) in the AAF or XFL will really hurt their draft status.

 

[stlnd01]

A: What's coaching and development like in the AAF? Are they going to invest in the coaches and facilities and training regimens that major college programs offer?

B: This might make sense for Trevor Lawrence who can get an eight-figure shoe deal two years early. But if you're a standard-issue college player, even a starter at a major program (let's say, hypothetically, someone like Chase Claypool or Troy Pride, a guy who'll likely get a shot at the NFL but isn't a star), you get $75,000/year (which is probably worth less than the full benefits of your scholarship to Notre Dame), and what, exactly?

I'm not sure what the upside is for most college football players to ditch P5 programs for the AAF. It's not like their lot in life is so terrible. And the downside is you get hurt and you're on the scrap heap early. I get this for guys who can't make an NFL team, but there are reasons minor league football has never really worked.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Something vaguely similar happened long ago when a start-up league went all in to sign Herschel Walker in the hopes that TV would follow and then big money and off you go. Walker sacrificed nothing in his career making that move (other than a couple of times my brother smashed him in practice and got called out for it --- they gave Walker a red shirt after that.)

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

A: What's coaching and development like in the AAF? Are they going to invest in the coaches and facilities and training regimens that major college programs offer?

B: This might make sense for Trevor Lawrence who can get an eight-figure shoe deal two years early. But if you're a standard-issue college player, even a starter at a major program (let's say, hypothetically, someone like Chase Claypool or Troy Pride, a guy who'll likely get a shot at the NFL but isn't a star), you get $75,000/year (which is probably worth less than the full benefits of your scholarship to Notre Dame), and what, exactly?

I'm not sure what the upside is for most college football players to ditch P5 programs for the AAF. It's not like their lot in life is so terrible. And the downside is you get hurt and you're on the scrap heap early. I get this for guys who can't make an NFL team, but there are reasons minor league football has never really worked.

The AAF gives out a one year scholarship for each year you are in the league. So if you go straight out of high school and play three years then even if you bust you have three years worth of college scholarships.

Also, the league has a bunch of bonuses for on field performance and for off field fan engagement, so the salary could end up being even higher.

As for coaching, most of these kids signing with colleges likely won't have the same coaches the whole time they are in school and some will arrive on campus with a coach they didn't even sign with.

Yeah, a football minor league hasn't worked yet, but there also has never been this amount of money in the sport.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Something vaguely similar happened long ago when a start-up league went all in to sign Herschel Walker in the hopes that TV would follow and then big money and off you go. Walker sacrificed nothing in his career making that move (other than a couple of times my brother smashed him in practice and got called out for it --- they gave Walker a red shirt after that.)

Your brother played in the USFL? That’s awesome.

I wonder how that would have gone if they didn’t try to compete so directly with the NFL.

 

[dublinirish]

Your brother played in the USFL? That’s awesome.

I wonder how that would have gone if they didn’t try to compete so directly with the NFL.

theres a USFL versus NFL series going on now on the "Business Wars" Podcast. Adds a little more info for those who watched the ESPN 30 for 30 "Small Potatoes"..

 

[Irishize]

A: What's coaching and development like in the AAF? Are they going to invest in the coaches and facilities and training regimens that major college programs offer?

B: This might make sense for Trevor Lawrence who can get an eight-figure shoe deal two years early. But if you're a standard-issue college player, even a starter at a major program (let's say, hypothetically, someone like Chase Claypool or Troy Pride, a guy who'll likely get a shot at the NFL but isn't a star), you get $75,000/year (which is probably worth less than the full benefits of your scholarship to Notre Dame), and what, exactly?

I'm not sure what the upside is for most college football players to ditch P5 programs for the AAF. It's not like their lot in life is so terrible. And the downside is you get hurt and you're on the scrap heap early. I get this for guys who can't make an NFL team, but there are reasons minor league football has never really worked.

I don’t think as many kids would opt for this as people think. However, it may be best option for a kid like Aaron Lynch who as no interest in school & just wants to get paid to play football.

Lynch played as a true freshman before transferring. So he sits out sophomore season to satisfy tranfer rule. Plays his junior season before declaring for the NFL Draft where he was picked in the 5th round. Now, what does he or a player like him have to show for his time in college? Instead, he could’ve at least made a salary while producing enough film to get drafted.

This isn’t for a guy like Trevor Lawrence or Ezekiel Elliott. Those kids weren’t desperate for the money right away & will earn or have earned first round millions. IMO, it’s for the kids we hear the media whine about how “he can’t even afford a hamburger or to go out on a date”.

 

[stlnd01]

The AAF gives out a one year scholarship for each year you are in the league. So if you go straight out of high school and play three years then even if you bust you have three years worth of college scholarships.

Also, the league has a bunch of bonuses for on field performance and for off field fan engagement, so the salary could end up being even higher.

As for coaching, most of these kids signing with colleges likely won't have the same coaches the whole time they are in school and some will arrive on campus with a coach they didn't even sign with.

Yeah, a football minor league hasn't worked yet, but there also has never been this amount of money in the sport.

What I read was stipend, which is different than scholarship. I’d be surprised if it pays a full ride at a school like Notre Dame. Plus, AAF doesn’t guarantee contracts. So you have last a full season to qualify for a one-year “stipend?” I dunno. It’s better than nothing but four years in actual college seems more reliable.

Re: Coaching. Of course coaches change. They will in the AAF too. But at a P5 college program, you’re going to have reasonably high-quality coaching even if the names change. And, probably more importantly, all the support staff that comes with it. Big-time programs invest a ton in facilities, training, etc., and that outlasts individual coaches. I’m dubious that any minor league that’s basically a stepping stone would do that.

Agree this will make sense for a small slice of CFP players (the three-and-out, “playing school” crowd, mainly). And there’s does seem to be more money in this than prior efforts, but that money will need to be sustainable if they’re going to compete for players with major college programs. We’ll see how that goes.

 

[arrowryan]

I guess this discussion was over nothing. Trevor isn't going anywhere.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Been asked this a lot so answering here:<br><br>The AAF uses the same rules as the NFL. Three years removed from HS <a href="https://t.co/TiLGwzAvPz">https://t.co/TiLGwzAvPz</a></p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1094760631142674433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish YJ]

I guess this discussion was over nothing. Trevor isn't going anywhere.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Been asked this a lot so answering here:<br><br>The AAF uses the same rules as the NFL. Three years removed from HS <a href="https://t.co/TiLGwzAvPz">https://t.co/TiLGwzAvPz</a></p>— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) <a href="https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/1094760631142674433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 11, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

AAF observes NFL rules, XFL will not. It is Brady's agent going after TL for the XFL, not the AAF.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

AAF observes NFL rules, XFL will not. It is Brady's agent going after TL for the XFL, not the AAF.

Don Yee (Tom Brady's agent) is working with the Pacific Pro Football League. He is the one that said Adidas would like to offer him an endorsement. He is not recruiting him for the XFL. Someone else might be, but not Yee. Also the PPFL offers a one year scholarship for a community college, so I think I combined that with the AAF stipend in my mind to come up with the inaccurate premise of them giving full scholarships.
https://www.si.com/college-football...-quarterback-new-professional-football-league

 

[Irish YJ]

Don Yee (Tom Brady's agent) is working with the Pacific Pro Football League. He is the one that said Adidas would like to offer him an endorsement. He is not recruiting him for the XFL. Someone else might be, but not Yee. Also the PPFL offers a one year scholarship for a community college, so I think I combined that with the AAF stipend in my mind to come up with the inaccurate premise of them giving full scholarships.
https://www.si.com/college-football...-quarterback-new-professional-football-league

good catch.
the article i read mixed in that XFL would take younger guys, then started talking about Yee going after Lawrence.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5IyIFXBt1x/?igshid=1wmo9073qdyt5

SMH at his nickname.

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[NorthDakota]

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5IyIFXBt1x/?igshid=1wmo9073qdyt5

SMH at his nickname.

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This clown couldnt hold a clipboard for Reesus.

 

[Classic Irish]

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5IyIFXBt1x/?igshid=1wmo9073qdyt5

SMH at his nickname.

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He probably earned ten credits at Clemson for that nonsensical presentation.

 

[ACamp1900]

Dexter Lawerence nut butter in place of conditioner,.....

 

[Bluto]

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5IyIFXBt1x/?igshid=1wmo9073qdyt5

SMH at his nickname.

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I didn’t realize he was already working on a Masters...

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm wondering if he didn't come to play school.