'18 CA WR Amon-Ra St. Brown (USC Verbal)

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I think it was Cam who he was up against his Jr year had he entered.

Luck was going against Cam for the #1 pick in 2011. In 2012 it was all Luck with RG3 making some noise, but that was mostly nonsense. Before the hype on Griffin became unreal, I thought I read that Barkley was considered QB2
 

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Luck was going against Cam for the #1 pick in 2011. In 2012 it was all Luck with RG3 making some noise, but that was mostly nonsense. Before the hype on Griffin became unreal, I thought I read that Barkley was considered QB2

Yep U right. I was thinking 2011 was his sr season.
 

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Put Hogan on some of the ND teams that Clausen was on and his stats wouldn't have been that good...no need to comb through W's and L's that is basic 101 football knowledge.

If Darnold stays at USC after this year that will help their case to land ASB.

However a good 1-2 punch with Wimbush and EQ will keep ND in the race.
 

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Put Hogan on some of the ND teams that Clausen was on and his stats wouldn't have been that good...no need to comb through W's and L's that is basic 101 football knowledge.

If Darnold stays at USC after this year that will help their case to land ASB.

However a good 1-2 punch with Wimbush and EQ will keep ND in the race.

Hey, when your done rambling will you put the goal posts back where you found them?
 

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Here are some stats. Comb through them and maybe rethink your position. Try and keep stupid things like W's & L's out of the equation.

My whole point is that the statistics you mention give you a totally false impression of what was going on. Watching them on a regular basis, it was perfectly clear that Clausen was money (as a college player), Hogan was not. But Hogan clearly had a better team, and the team led to better stats. Kind of like Alabama QBs always have good stats.

Hogan was a tough player and a good kid, and I wish him all the best, but he was not particularly impressive to me on any level.

All the NFL scouts saw the same thing. That's why Clausen was considered for a high draft position, but Hogan was not.

WalterFootball.com: 2016 NFL Draft: Quarterback Rankings
WalterFootball.com: 2010 NFL Draft Scouting Report: Jimmy Clausen

Kevin Hogan Draft Profile – NFL.com
NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Jimmy Clausen

The scouts weren't ignoring the statistics, they were just well aware of their limitations.
 
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Darnold means nothing in regards to ASB. He'll be gone.

In regards to the every single QB since Luck... Kevin Hogan's #'s would be 2nd at ND behind just Quinn. Better %, TD & Int than Clausen and just 7 attempts separate their careers. I know, shocked me too.

If Chryst figures it out, he has 2 years remaining. If he doesn't Costello (most likely) or Mills will. They won't all suck just because Ryan Burns did/does.

You can crack on what they haven't done but they have pedigree. You must be shitting in your boots with a, have done nothing Wimbush as ND's QB, while your future relies on a has done less than nothing Phil Jurkovec who can't even make the Elite 11.

My god that is misleading as all hell... let's compare apples to apples, not Jimmy getting thrown to the wolves as a true frosh.

Kevin Hogan as upperclassmen stats -- YPG: 210 // TDPG: 1.7 // INTPG: 0.6

Jimmy Clausen upperclassmen stats -- YPG: 310 // TDPG: 2.33 // INTPG: 0.33

Twice as many interceptions per game, 100 less yards per game, and substantially less TDs. He was a game manager, and he has good advanced stats to back up how little he was asked to do. He only threw the ball on average 24 times a game... his INT per attempt are almost 4 times what Clausen's was as a junior despite never being asked to make a difficult throw his entire career. There's a reason he was a 5th round pick... mediocre, limited skill set.

Chryst is garbage, Costello or Mills could be great. My point is that Amon Ra would be really silly to make a decision on the assumption that they will be great when USC is likely to sign guys just as highly rated or better in the next few classes.
 

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My god that is misleading as all hell... let's compare apples to apples, not Jimmy getting thrown to the wolves as a true frosh.

Kevin Hogan as upperclassmen stats -- YPG: 210 // TDPG: 1.7 // INTPG: 0.6

Jimmy Clausen upperclassmen stats -- YPG: 310 // TDPG: 2.33 // INTPG: 0.33

Twice as many interceptions per game, 100 less yards per game, and substantially less TDs. He was a game manager, and he has good advanced stats to back up how little he was asked to do. He only threw the ball on average 24 times a game... his INT per attempt are almost 4 times what Clausen's was as a junior despite never being asked to make a difficult throw his entire career. There's a reason he was a 5th round pick... mediocre, limited skill set.

Chryst is garbage, Costello or Mills could be great. My point is that Amon Ra would be really silly to make a decision on the assumption that they will be great when USC is likely to sign guys just as highly rated or better in the next few classes.

Exactly, thank you.
 

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Darnold means nothing in regards to ASB. He'll be gone.

In regards to the every single QB since Luck... Kevin Hogan's #'s would be 2nd at ND behind just Quinn. Better %, TD & Int than Clausen and just 7 attempts separate their careers. I know, shocked me too.

If Chryst figures it out, he has 2 years remaining. If he doesn't Costello (most likely) or Mills will. They won't all suck just because Ryan Burns did/does.

You can crack on what they haven't done but they have pedigree. You must be shitting in your boots with a, have done nothing Wimbush as ND's QB, while your future relies on a has done less than nothing Phil Jurkovec who can't even make the Elite 11
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So, when reading this, the only thing that comes to mind is, neither Stanford or ND can, at the very present, pitch QB success, as neither teams has any on the roster. The one team that "could" potentially pitch that would be USC, IF, Darnold comes back. It's irrelevant what Darnold does with the draft, just like it's irrelevant, in your words, how good on paper the Stanford or ND QB's are, because they haven't produced, yet. Because, none of it has happened yet. In fact, rumblings out of The Opening were they wouldn't be surprised if he did. Do I believe that, no. But that doesn't mean it can't be pitched, and then it goes back to the same thing from before. It's the most tangible pitch of the 3 schools, because it's actually already taken place.
 

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Lax and Lucci-- do you like ND's chances w/ ASB?

As of today I don't. That could change with a huge year from ESB, the team winning 10+ games, etc. but until that takes place I don't think so.
 

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Lax and Lucci-- do you like ND's chances w/ ASB?

Not at all. If we have the kind of season I think we're capable of having, things may change though. I think as of right now we're running 3rd at best.
 

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That's honestly as positive as I could've hoped for.

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What's more painfully Irish than not only losing out on this kid, but losing out on him to a team you have to play every single year?

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What's more painfully Irish than not only losing out on this kid, but losing out on him to a team you have to play every single year?

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The addition of losing out on his brother to another team you play every year? That's more painfully Irish BUT...


It could be worse my friend, ESB could always grad transfer to Michigan.

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The addition of losing out on his brother to another team you play every year? That's more painfully Irish BUT...


It could be worse my friend, ESB could always grad transfer to Michigan.

No italics.

I can literally not think of one reason how he would benefit from that or why he would do that.
 

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I'm not sure if I'd rather him end up at Stanford.. having both St Brown brothers on one team there would be painful to watch, but he probably wouldn't do as much damage there as he would on USC
 

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I can literally not think of one reason how he would benefit from that or why he would do that.

There is no reason and it won't happen.

He asked what could be more painfully Irish, I added a current fact and a nearly impossible hypothetical.
 

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Long way to signing day.

This right here. I don't think this is a done deal at all. ESB waited until NSD to announce, hell didn't OSB announce in October of last year?

I would be shocked to see ASB announce before his senior season.
 
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