'17 FL WR Jordan Pouncey (Texas Signee)

[ThePiombino]

A 3 star WR? I think we'll be fine.

lol

 

[NDdomer2]

A 3 star WR? I think we'll be fine.

lol

It's funny until u realize he was our best wr commit and we only have one other and he's a 3* too.

Add in Stephenson has off field issues, McKinley is recovering from a broken leg. It ain't the prettiest picture.

 

[BGIF]

It's funny until u realize he was our best wr commit and we only have one other and he's a 3* too.

Add in Stephenson has off field issues, McKinley is recovering from a broken leg. It ain't the prettiest picture.

Might have to learn how to run the ball.

 

[ThePiombino]

It's funny until u realize he was our best wr commit and we only have one other and he's a 3* too.

Add in Stephenson has off field issues, McKinley is recovering from a broken leg. It ain't the prettiest picture.

The only thing I find funny is the typical "3*? No biggie, we deep" response from some posters. Eventually people need to realize that we can only miss so many times before we ain't that deep anymore. HINT: it already happened.

 

[IrishLax]

The only thing I find funny is the typical "3*? No biggie, we deep" response from some posters. Eventually people need to realize that we can only miss so many times before we ain't that deep anymore. HINT: it already happened.

Yes, we are actually painfully thin and without much talent at WR. We have two legit guys in ESB and Stepherson... and effectively nothing behind them. If you lose either of them, we are screwed AND this year's recruiting is atrocious at the position and I've been ticked about it for months (basically, since we weren't all in on Oliver Martin from the very beginning because he's a player).

Behind ESB and Stepherson you have:
Sanders
Finke
Claypool
McKinley
Boykin
McIntosh

Not a single one of those guys has shown anything to make you think "hey, they can be a go to every down WR." McKinley is hurt, Sanders is an inconsistent slot, Finke is a small walk on with athletic limitations, Boykin isn't explosive and has poor hands, and McIntosh is another converted slot player who can't ostensibly play outside.

So the only guy on the entire roster who seems to have the upside and skill set to fill in as a wide receiver is Claypool and he obviously needs development and may be better suited for a hybrid TE role.

Sooooo.... yeah... we needed at least 3 WRs in this class and we have one. And he's not a world beater prospect per the industry. Unless we close with Calvin and Martin or some miracle pull at this point we are in a very bad spot. Reminds me a lot of the safety recruiting that led to huge issues.

 

[dang227]

What the hell is wrong with this staff that they under recruit certain positions like WR, DE and S? Do they not realize the depth issues they create themselves?

 

[BobbyMac]

A 3 star WR? I think we'll be fine.

In other news...

ND moved up to #7 on the Avg Player Rating score with a 90.73, now just .14 behind Michigan for sixth.

 

[Luckylucci]

While I do agree this looks like S recruiting from years past. I'm not sure it will have the same impact. Because from a numbers perspective, you have to factor Alize Jones into the mix. As well as bringing in 2 TE's for this class. If Alize can play, he'll be on the field in some capacity and I really think Kmet and Wright are going to be really good players. So not ideal, but add Michael Smith (for example) and I'm not sure the result will be as bad. Run some 2 TE sets, use an Hback, use 2 RB's, etc. those are all things we've done in the past, that could make up for lack of playmakers at WR. And we have some real talent at those other spots

 

[BoredIrish]

What the hell is wrong with this staff that they under recruit certain positions like WR, DE and S? Do they not realize the depth issues they create themselves?

I understand why they cant land D linemen, but it absolutely blows my mind how Pass Happy BK cant recruit enough receivers. For god sakes... just play the flippen tape for them...

1st and goal at the 1 yard line... 3 corner end zone fade attempts to WR's

Down one against Tulsa, in field goal range with time dying down... Throw to a WR in the end zone.

Every bloddy 3rd and short... throw to a WR

In a flippen hurricane... throw to a WR.

You would think receivers would be lining up to play in this offense!!!

 

[BobbyMac]

Originally Posted by dang227:
What the hell is wrong with this staff that they under recruit certain positions like WR, DE and S? Do they not realize the depth issues they create themselves?

They didn't under recruit WR, they had 32 offers out, that's a lot. Ohio St and USC had just 15 each. Michigan had 39, Nebraska had 33. They offered enough, they just weren't effective. Got caught up at the top of the board and struck out on DPJ, OSB, T Black, Holloman, H Jones, Blount and the like. Switched to guys I liked early, like Martin & Calvin too late possibly. We'll find out.

There are plenty of guys to get on right now. Guys who are way undervalued who would look at an ND offer as a huge upgrade over their current options.

I'll post a list over in the 2017 Master List thread later after I score a pizza.

 

[dang227]

They didn't under recruit WR, they had 32 offers out, that's a lot. Ohio St and USC had just 15 each. Michigan had 39, Nebraska had 33. They offered enough, they just weren't effective. Got caught up at the top of the board and struck out on DPJ, OSB, T Black, Holloman, H Jones, Blount and the like. Switched to guys I liked early, like Martin & Calvin too late possibly. We'll find out.

There are plenty of guys to get on right now. Guys who are way undervalued who would look at an ND offer as a huge upgrade over their current options.

I'll post a list over in the 2017 Master List thread later after I score a pizza.

You said it all as for effectiveness. They need to close on these kids.

 

[GBdomer]

Pouncey found the right time to decommit after something that was probably going down for a while. Same thing happend with Alex Anzalone. Hard to recruit right now when your recruiting board is pretty empty and you have so much staff turnover. O and you just went 4-8. There is blood in the water, no one to blame but ND here

 

[Sherm Sticky]

While I do agree this looks like S recruiting from years past. I'm not sure it will have the same impact. Because from a numbers perspective, you have to factor Alize Jones into the mix. As well as bringing in 2 TE's for this class. If Alize can play, he'll be on the field in some capacity and I really think Kmet and Wright are going to be really good players. So not ideal, but add Michael Smith (for example) and I'm not sure the result will be as bad. Run some 2 TE sets, use an Hback, use 2 RB's, etc. those are all things we've done in the past, that could make up for lack of playmakers at WR. And we have some real talent at those other spots

Suck that we lost Pooncey.

I do agree the team is thin at WR. But I also agree I don't think it will have the same impact as safety.

Let's remember the team is pretty deep at CB, currently we have a commit at CB who many believe could be better WR than corner. Mr Adebo.

Also, if Briles becomes the OC do we get back involved with my favorite WR Mr. Jones?


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[ND Fan Vancouver]

My thoughts are that although it isn't the end of the world, losing Pouncey sucks. I didn't think we'd get Calvin and now without Denbrock I doubt we get Martin either. I think our only hope of closing with a decent WR or two is if we fairly quickly hire a solid WR coach and/or OC. If Stepherson gets in $hit or injured and McKinley doesn't pan out, we could be in trouble at X and not be able to effectively run certain formations. I'm sure staff (what's left if it) is all over it plus as I mentioned before, maybe a solid WR sees the playing time opportunity and jumps on it.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

My thoughts are that although it isn't the end of the world, losing Pouncey sucks. I didn't think we'd get Calvin and now without Denbrock I doubt we get Martin either. I think our only hope of closing with a decent WR or two is if we fairly quickly hire a solid WR coach and/or OC. If Stepherson gets in $hit or injured and McKinley doesn't pan out, we could be in trouble at X and not be able to effectively run certain formations. I'm sure staff (what's left if it) is all over it plus as I mentioned before, maybe a solid WR sees the playing time opportunity and jumps on it.

Keep in mind Adebo and Robertson play WR in high school. Robertson needs to play safety, but as mentioned above CB is deep and Adebo could be a star at WR.

Also, who is say you can't have a bigger WR at X? Alize or Claypool.

What the best year ND has had under Kelly? 2012, with a young and thin WR group. TJ Jones was the best WR, with a sophomore Davaris Daniels. The offense was all about Eifert and the running game with Riddick and Wood.

Could be a similar situation this year. But with ESB and Stepherson the WR group is more talented than 2012.


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[ND Fan Vancouver]

I say play Claypool often with ESB and Alize. Create mismatches. We have CJ to mix things up and I think Wimbush is gonna do damage with his legs. On paper, our offense has the potential to be lethal. It's going to come down to scheme and play calling. BK needs to get it right this year. Let's GO!

GO IRISH

 

[STLDomer]

Keep in mind Adebo and Robertson play WR in high school. Robertson needs to play safety, but as mentioned above CB is deep and Adebo could be a star at WR.

Also, who is say you can't have a bigger WR at X? Alize or Claypool.

What the best year ND has had under Kelly? 2012, with a young and thin WR group. TJ Jones was the best WR, with a sophomore Davaris Daniels. The offense was all about Eifert and the running game with Riddick and Wood.

Could be a similar situation this year. But with ESB and Stepherson the WR group is more talented than 2012.


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I don't see a the 2012 defense and a All Pro NFL TE walking through the door next year. That offense was also ranked 74th in points per game.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I don't see a the 2012 defense and a All Pro NFL TE walking through the door next year. That offense was also ranked 74th in points per game.

I agree about the defense. But we do have Wright and Kmet walking through the door and Alize Jones back.


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[ThePiombino]

Yes, we are actually painfully thin and without much talent at WR. We have two legit guys in ESB and Stepherson... and effectively nothing behind them. If you lose either of them, we are screwed AND this year's recruiting is atrocious at the position and I've been ticked about it for months (basically, since we weren't all in on Oliver Martin from the very beginning because he's a player).

Behind ESB and Stepherson you have:
Sanders
Finke
Claypool
McKinley
Boykin
McIntosh

Not a single one of those guys has shown anything to make you think "hey, they can be a go to every down WR." McKinley is hurt, Sanders is an inconsistent slot, Finke is a small walk on with athletic limitations, Boykin isn't explosive and has poor hands, and McIntosh is another converted slot player who can't ostensibly play outside.

So the only guy on the entire roster who seems to have the upside and skill set to fill in as a wide receiver is Claypool and he obviously needs development and may be better suited for a hybrid TE role.

Sooooo.... yeah... we needed at least 3 WRs in this class and we have one. And he's not a world beater prospect per the industry. Unless we close with Calvin and Martin or some miracle pull at this point we are in a very bad spot. Reminds me a lot of the safety recruiting that led to huge issues.

1000% agreed -- blows my mind that someone can look at this and say "no big deal" to losing Pouncey.

I agree about the defense. But we do have Wright and Kmet walking through the door and Alize Jones back.


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So two unproven freshman and an walking academic timebomb? Great.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Still not sure why everyone is ignoring the chance the Adebo plays WR


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[Irish#1]

In other news...

ND moved up to #7 on the Avg Player Rating score with a 90.73, now just .14 behind Michigan for sixth.

Addition by subtraction!

 

[ThePiombino]

Still not sure why everyone is ignoring the chance the Adebo plays WR


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Should we be excited about robbing Peter to pay Paul?

 

[PANDFAN]

Still not sure why everyone is ignoring the chance the Adebo plays WR


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because we need that kind of athleticism on the def side of the ball...

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Why not take a look at playing guys on both sides of the ball? I think a guy like Mcintosh might move over to WR instead of just running back. But why not play chase claypool both ways? plenty of teams do it.

 

[NDohio]

Suck that we lost Pooncey.

I do agree the team is thin at WR. But I also agree I don't think it will have the same impact as safety.

Let's remember the team is pretty deep at CB, currently we have a commit at CB who many believe could be better WR than corner. Mr Adebo.

Also, if Briles becomes the OC do we get back involved with my favorite WR Mr. Jones?


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Sources: FAU to hire Baylor OC Kendal Briles to same position - ABC News


I don't think you should hang your hopes on getting Briles.

 

[Wingman Ray]

A 3 star WR? I think we'll be fine.

I agree. I think the kid would have been Miami from day one had they offered. When they didnt, he took ND. Doesnt make a lot of sense to me but everyone likes different things.

I dont think we need to be blaming this or that. Whether the coach was there or not, he would have left because Miami was his dream team for some reason. I cant figure how a team with a decade of .500 seasons is your dream team but it is what it is.

And honestly, if we lose recruits when we get rid of BAD coaches, so be it. Chalk it up to growing pains. I would much rather see what we have or lesser talent developed than getting kids out of HS and them never improving which has been the case for years.

So good luck kid and look forward to shutting you down completely in the future the next time ND rolls Miami.

 

[Blaise]

I understand the we are thin argument.. But I do think WR is a position you can play early in college... Next year we can go to some of the top WR's in the country and say you WILL play right away... I think next year we could land 1 or 2 top WR and we are no longer thin

 

[Irish2155]

Bye.

Don't want to be apart of making ND great again...

...well then, bye.

We need players on defense, at every level...trenches, LB and the D backfield...need them all. Not another 3* WR.

 

[koonja]

Bye.

Don't want to be apart of making ND great again...

...well then, bye.

We need players on defense, at every level...trenches, LB and the D backfield...need them all. Not another 3* WR.

The sad fact is, we do need another 3-star WR. But I know what you mean.

 

[Irish2155]

The sad fact is, we do need another 3-star WR. But I know what you mean.

I don't man, keep your chin up Koon. Brandon will be taking snaps with plenty of options to work with. Our D, however, continues to play on roller skates.