'17 CA OT Aaron Banks (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[ND Fan Vancouver]

I can't believe how many people on here bad mouth HH. Give your heads a shake!!

 

[arrowryan]

which is why DUKE had 3 sacks and 3 TFL against our elite OL?

You're gonna base it off one game? HH is a tremendous coach and it will be a sad day when he leaves.

 

[Big23Head]

And coaching. See NFL players Zack Martin, Nick Martin, Chris Watt and future NFL players Mike McGlinchey and Quinton Nelson.

Ronnie Stanley?

 

[dwshade]

Ronnie Stanley?

How the hell did I forget him.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

How the hell did I forget him.

Lol was going to say the same thing big head wrote. Lol.

BTW have not followed the Ravens...how is Stanley performing?


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[ND Fan Vancouver]

Stanley has been great, even dominate at times. I've seen a few Ravens games this year and they got themselves a great LT to anchor their line for years. Another player off HH we could mention is Steve Elmer. Had he kept playing he would've been a solid NFL player I'd say. Also, Alex Bars will likely play in the NFL. Probably a late round depth pick at least.

 

[calvegas04]

You're gonna base it off one game? HH is a tremendous coach and it will be a sad day when he leaves.

NC St. 5 sacks 8 TFL

 

[GBdomer]

I kind of agree with Calvs here I know we were breaking in three new starters but which game did our Oline dominate the D line? Why was our run game piss poor? I know play calling was suspect Heistand can recruit and develop certain players but as a whole our O line is pretty inconsistent over the years.

 

[GBdomer]

BTW Loy with the CB to ND

That's all I'm gonna say about that

 

[Junkhead]

BTW Loy with the CB to ND

That's all I'm gonna say about that

 

[GBdomer]

It's a guess by Loy, I am not getting into this. I've told the board I am done with this.

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

Not sure if it's been mentioned on this thread yet or not but Wiltfong is now leaning toward ND as of this evening. Said it's what he thinks after speaking with the best source he knows regarding Banks. Says it's an ND/Mich battle

 

[ResLife Hero]

It's a guess by Loy, I am not getting into this. I've told the board I am done with this.

It's seriously a guess:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">… That said, it’s been A TON of fun covering <a href="https://twitter.com/bigaaronbanks">@bigaaronbanks</a>’ recruitment. Everyone that covered him would agree. He has everyone guessing.</p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/807063594609295360">December 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[NDdomer2]

Sounds like everyone is guessing though. I can understand a Homer pick in that instance.

 

[GBdomer]

Sounds like everyone is guessing though. I can understand a Homer pick in that instance.

It's just always a homer pick. Honestly all the prospects other than Sarrell that we are after Loy has CB'd them to ND

 

[NDdomer2]

It's just always a homer pick. Honestly all the prospects other than Sarrell that we are after Loy has CB'd them to ND

Never said it wasnt his m.o. just in this discussion case nobody knows what are they supposed to do, nothing?

So much for not getting into it about Loy....

 

[Southside Sully]

It's just always a homer pick. Honestly all the prospects other than Sarrell that we are after Loy has CB'd them to ND

And if you call him out on all his homer picks he gets his panties in a bunch it's actually funny

 

[GBdomer]

Never said it wasnt his m.o. just in this discussion case nobody knows what are they supposed to do, nothing?

So much for not getting into it about Loy....

I wasn't calling you out man, just adding to the subject. Now i'm done

 

[Crazy Balki]

I think the staff has turned the heat up on Banks and that's paying off. I also assume this means Sarrel is probably staying west.

I think HH does a fantastic job of developing offensive linemen, but I have yet to see him consistently build top notch offensive lines. It's one thing to get guys like Martin x2, Watt and Stanley drafted early, but it's another to have a cohesive unit that can completely physically dominate the defensive lines. Part of that has to do with Kelly's scheme, since linemen are asked to play in space more and our running game consists are far too much perimeter and slow-developing runs. In addition, the S&C is god-awful, considering we have at least 2 starters that are playing woefully underweight. How does McGovern weigh in at 315 prior to fall camp and then lose nearly 40 pounds by season's end!?

 

[beryirish]

I kind of agree with Calvs here I know we were breaking in three new starters but which game did our Oline dominate the D line? Why was our run game piss poor? I know play calling was suspect Heistand can recruit and develop certain players but as a whole our O line is pretty inconsistent over the years.

Three new starters plus McG learning a new more important position. Nonetheless, of all the ND coaches - HH is one of the least ones to gripe about.

 

[dublinirish]

I think the staff has turned the heat up on Banks and that's paying off. I also assume this means Sarrel is probably staying west.

I think HH does a fantastic job of developing offensive linemen, but I have yet to see him consistently build top notch offensive lines. It's one thing to get guys like Martin x2, Watt and Stanley drafted early, but it's another to have a cohesive unit that can completely physically dominate the defensive lines. Part of that has to do with Kelly's scheme, since linemen are asked to play in space more and our running game consists are far too much perimeter and slow-developing runs. In addition, the S&C is god-awful, considering we have at least 2 starters that are playing woefully underweight. How does McGovern weigh in at 315 prior to fall camp and then lose nearly 40 pounds by season's end!?

Driskell on ISD over the summer said he reckoned Joe Schmidt ended the 2015 season playing at under 200 lbs...as a senior middle line backer for peat's sakes :S

 

[NDinL.A.]

I kind of agree with Calvs here I know we were breaking in three new starters but which game did our Oline dominate the D line? Why was our run game piss poor? I know play calling was suspect Heistand can recruit and develop certain players but as a whole our O line is pretty inconsistent over the years.

Don't agree with calvegas here at all. IMO it has MUCH more to do with the S&C coach/program, and the philosophy of the head coach. Those things aren't on the offensive line coach. After the NC State game I made the mistake of bitching about the offensive line (after drinking a few too many) to a friend who played D-line in college and covers college football as a reporter for a living. Here was his exact response:

"I really don't think Heistand deserves the blame. McGovern weighs less than when he was as a HS senior! That's not on Heistand. Plus, anyone you talk to around the nation says he is the best OL coach in the country or close to it. Everybody I know praises him. The reason you don't see ND getting a push isn't because of Heistand, it's because of Longo. You think Martin, Martin, Watt, Stanley etc can't get a push in college but can suddenly get it in the pros?"

Yeah, that kinda shut me up right there. I've heard much more since about the S&C coach to make me realize that it's a clown show over there and Kelly is going to rue the day he kept Longo on for so long, just as he did BVG (and Booker).

 

[tko]

Don't agree with calvegas here at all. IMO it has MUCH more to do with the S&C coach/program, and the philosophy of the head coach. Those things aren't on the offensive line coach. After the NC State game I made the mistake of bitching about the offensive line (after drinking a few too many) to a friend who played D-line in college and covers college football as a reporter for a living. Here was his exact response:



Yeah, that kinda shut me up right there. I've heard much more since about the S&C coach to make me realize that it's a clown show over there and Kelly is going to rue the day he kept Longo on for so long, just as he did BVG (and Booker).

AMEN!!!!!

 

[Henges24]

I wasn't calling you out man, just adding to the subject. Now i'm done

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[Sherm Sticky]

Don't agree with calvegas here at all. IMO it has MUCH more to do with the S&C coach/program, and the philosophy of the head coach. Those things aren't on the offensive line coach. After the NC State game I made the mistake of bitching about the offensive line (after drinking a few too many) to a friend who played D-line in college and covers college football as a reporter for a living. Here was his exact response:



Yeah, that kinda shut me up right there. I've heard much more since about the S&C coach to make me realize that it's a clown show over there and Kelly is going to rue the day he kept Longo on for so long, just as he did BVG (and Booker).

Just want to point out that Koon first said this years ago.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I kind of agree with Calvs here I know we were breaking in three new starters but which game did our Oline dominate the D line? Why was our run game piss poor? I know play calling was suspect Heistand can recruit and develop certain players but as a whole our O line is pretty inconsistent over the years.

Compared to who? Who has a line that is just dominates the other team play after play regardless of play calling, their own RBs, and the other team's DL?

Before you can get into who is a great coach, you have to ask who they have, who they play, and what their offensive philosophy is. To me, our offense this year was a white hot mess. It basically reacts to the defense and sets up for big chunk plays. Not sure how your running game is going to look good playing that way.

When we commit to the run--think the last drive at Stanford last year--Harry's boys do a great job.

 

[ab2cmiller]

So using the excuse of "We don't have a training table" for years wasn't really the issue?

 

[koonja]

Don't agree with calvegas here at all. IMO it has MUCH more to do with the S&C coach/program, and the philosophy of the head coach. Those things aren't on the offensive line coach. After the NC State game I made the mistake of bitching about the offensive line (after drinking a few too many) to a friend who played D-line in college and covers college football as a reporter for a living. Here was his exact response:



Yeah, that kinda shut me up right there. I've heard much more since about the S&C coach to make me realize that it's a clown show over there and Kelly is going to rue the day he kept Longo on for so long, just as he did BVG (and Booker).

Reps.

 

[Free Manera]

So using the excuse of "We don't have a training table" for years wasn't really the issue?

No that was absolutely part of the issue. Literally every single big time football program has a training table. Not having a training table was a handicap.

Nutrition is under the strength and conditioning umbrella usually, and I think there are deficiencies with nutrition as well as the training program. Even a perfect training regimen is rendered useless without proper nutrition.

 

[NDdomer2]

12 eastern or pacific? assuming pacific