'16 IN WR Austin Mack (Ohio State Verbal)

[Luckylucci]

They dont want to hear the truth.

The truth is ND lost out on 3 realistic targets to MSU. Robertson, Lyke, and Andrews. I like them is this order Robertson, Andrews, and Lyke. I'd bet all my Vbucks that ND signs two better S's than Lyke and we have a handful of better CB's coming to campus for II that are better than Andrews. Robertson is the really big blow but to shit your pants over this is pretty sad. You need a day job or a hobby that isn't posting on this board.

 

[NCND]

They dont want to hear the truth.

+1. Sick of the excuses man. They got straight up out worked.. period.

 

[Chasey]

Who is the better receiver Javon Mckinley or Austin Mack. If we lose out on Mack and get Mckinley who cares. I know its important to get the midwest kids right in your backyard but we would be taking a receiver from USC backyard.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You all realizes this conversation is immaterial, all depends on our national recruiting perspective.

Trashing the coaching staff who may have rated recruits outside of Indiana much higher than those in Indiana? And though the Indiana kids are good kids, maybe it was clear to the staff that they didn't want the ND challenge.

What is the staff supposed to do then, dis some 17 year-old to restore the faith of stupid asses in the ND fan base?

 

[Irish#1]

The truth is ND lost out on 3 realistic targets to MSU. Robertson, Lyke, and Andrews. I like them is this order Robertson, Andrews, and Lyke. I'd bet all my Vbucks that ND signs two better S's than Lyke and we have a handful of better CB's coming to campus for II that are better than Andrews. Robertson is the really big blow but to shit your pants over this is pretty sad. You need a day job or a hobby that isn't posting on this board.

Save the key strokes. If we would have landed both of these kids, he'd be complaining that we didn't land someone else.

 

[BobbyMac]

Who is the better receiver Javon Mckinley or Austin Mack. If we lose out on Mack and get Mckinley who cares. I know its important to get the midwest kids right in your backyard but we would be taking a receiver from USC backyard.

Mack would be rated the 7th best WR in Cali per 247. Just saying. ND will get a higher rated WR than Mack. I'd take action on that.

McKinley is the best WR in the country per production against the best competition. And it's MUCH better to get high 4 / 5 star guys from SoCal every year over the best guy out of Indiana. Jaylon Smith is the only outlier and that includes Gunner Kiel. There are on average 4 guys in Indiana that can make a difference at ND every year. There are at least 25 in SoCal and more than half play at Catholic Schools.

Now back to Indiana... ND will have that state locked down as Hunter Johnson is going to have ND's FULL 100% UNDIVIDED attention next year and with MZ leading the Irish to 10+ wins and more... the bling factor will be back in South Bend's favor.

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[dad4aa]

Mack would be rated the 7th best WR in Cali per 247. Just saying. ND will get a higher rated WR than Mack. I'd take action on that.

McKinley is the best WR in the country per production against the best competition. And it's MUCH better to get high 4 / 5 star guys from SoCal every year over the best guy out of Indiana. Jaylon Smith is the only outlier and that includes Gunner Kiel. There are on average 4 guys in Indiana that can make a difference at ND every year. There are at least 25 in SoCal and more than half play at Catholic Schools.

Now back to Indiana... ND will have that state locked down as Hunter Johnson is going to have ND's FULL 100% UNDIVIDED attention next year and with MZ leading the Irish to 10+ wins and more... the bling factor will be back in South Bend's favor.

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I like your thinking!!

 

[Irish Storm]

+1. Sick of the excuses man. They got straight up out worked.. period.

Alabama and Ohio State dont make excuses. Only ND seems to.

 

[NCND]

Alabama and Ohio State dont make excuses. Only ND seems to.

But you're a "troll' or whatever the fuck that is for pointing out the truth right? I just hope they win big this year.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Who is the better receiver Javon Mckinley or Austin Mack. If we lose out on Mack and get Mckinley who cares. I know its important to get the midwest kids right in your backyard but we would be taking a receiver from USC backyard.

It would be a wash IMO. Very comparable prospects.

 

[PANDFAN]

Who is the better receiver Javon Mckinley or Austin Mack. If we lose out on Mack and get Mckinley who cares. I know its important to get the midwest kids right in your backyard but we would be taking a receiver from USC backyard.

Mack more of a seasoned wr being smarter better route runner and knowing the def....Javon is explosive, make u miss...big play...different prospects imo but both top of their game in what they do

 

[PANDFAN]

"They don't mess with me anymore," Mack said when asked about Notre Dame after a U.S. Army All-American Game practice on Thursday. "They unfollowed me on Twitter and everything. They wished me the best. They knew I was going to be a steady commit and that I wasn't going to flip. So they said good luck in your future and went on with it."
rivals

 

[NDShark]

Hopefully, this happened immediately following this clown mentioning "building his brand"

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Hopefully, this happened immediately following this clown mentioning "building his brand"

I think that you don't understand the pitch Notre Dame is selling if you think Austin Mack is a clown. That's Notre Dame's biggest selling tool. The degree allows student-athletes to be more educated in the choices they make when they enter the professional ranks or go into the real world.

In college, for any student, that's what college is about. It's about building a brand for yourself to be able to compete with the people that apply for the job you apply for.

 

[JD Irish]

I think that you don't understand the pitch Notre Dame is selling if you think Austin Mack is a clown. That's Notre Dame's biggest selling tool. The degree allows student-athletes to be more educated in the choices they make when they enter the professional ranks or go into the real world.

In college, for any student, that's what college is about. It's about building a brand for yourself to be able to compete with the people that apply for the job you apply for.

If you have the opportunity to attend Notre Dame and Ohio State, and you choose to go to Ohio State, you are indeed a clown.

 

[Wingman Ray]

If you have the opportunity to attend Notre Dame and Ohio State, and you choose to go to Ohio State, you are indeed a clown.

This.

Really it comes down to the difference of just getting a college degree and getting a college degree you will have to work for.

 

[IrishLax]

I think that you don't understand the pitch Notre Dame is selling if you think Austin Mack is a clown. That's Notre Dame's biggest selling tool. The degree allows student-athletes to be more educated in the choices they make when they enter the professional ranks or go into the real world.

In college, for any student, that's what college is about. It's about building a brand for yourself to be able to compete with the people that apply for the job you apply for.

+1. One of the most true and significant selling points of Notre Dame is the national brand and exposure, which can translate directly into $$ for these kids.

 

[NDShark]

I think that you don't understand the pitch Notre Dame is selling if you think Austin Mack is a clown. That's Notre Dame's biggest selling tool. The degree allows student-athletes to be more educated in the choices they make when they enter the professional ranks or go into the real world.

In college, for any student, that's what college is about. It's about building a brand for yourself to be able to compete with the people that apply for the job you apply for.

I interpreted his statement as talking about his football image (like some kind of prima donna) and not about his degree.

Four-Star Wide Receiver Austin Mack Would Be Huge Get For Ohio State | Eleven Warriors

Last paragraph says “Now it’s the part of my recruitment where I don’t need to be sold on their campus and all that," Mack said recently in an interview with 247Sports. "Now, it’s more like how can my brand be promoted or where I’m going to be playing at in their system. Learning some more details as I start to finalize my decision and whatnot. Dig down a little bit deeper into these some of these hard questions when it comes to some of these schools so I can make the right decision.”

 

[OCIrish]

If you have the opportunity to attend Notre Dame and Ohio State, and you choose to go to Ohio State, you are indeed a clown.

I don't know just how many times I read it, and have seen it posted on various sites........let me reiterate: ND is NOT for everyone!!!!!! Does that make any sense to you???? There are plenty of kids who have scholly offers from both schools and choose not to attend, for whatever reason.......at some point, please pull your head out of your ass

 

[NDVirginia19]

I don't know just how many times I read it, and have seen it posted on various sites........let me reiterate: ND is NOT for everyone!!!!!! Does that make any sense to you???? There are plenty of kids who have scholly offers from both schools and choose not to attend, for whatever reason.......at some point, please pull your head out of your ass

Exactly, there are a lot of kids who know they won't be able to learn well in that environment. It's not like a degree from pOSU is useless, and some kids can't learn at the pace and rigor that ND requires.

 

[BeauBenken]

I interpreted his statement as talking about his football image (like some kind of prima donna) and not about his degree.

Four-Star Wide Receiver Austin Mack Would Be Huge Get For Ohio State | Eleven Warriors

Last paragraph says “Now it’s the part of my recruitment where I don’t need to be sold on their campus and all that," Mack said recently in an interview with 247Sports. "Now, it’s more like how can my brand be promoted or where I’m going to be playing at in their system. Learning some more details as I start to finalize my decision and whatnot. Dig down a little bit deeper into these some of these hard questions when it comes to some of these schools so I can make the right decision.”

While I get what you're saying, TP is always gonna fight you if you say something negative about a recruit. Especially one that he spent time talking with.

 

[GBdomer]

If you have the opportunity to attend Notre Dame and Ohio State, and you choose to go to Ohio State, you are indeed a clown.

What? Why? Because Austin doesn't love ND like we do?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

While I get what you're saying, TP is always gonna fight you if you say something negative about a recruit. Especially one that he spent time talking with.

You're right most of the time, in this case, it's more about the original statement of him building his brand and attacking his character.

I just felt the post was exactly what Notre Dame sells to kids 99% of the time in relation to academics and football.

The OSU degree isn't as good as ND's, but it's far from the worst. Mack will be in the two-deep as soon as he steps foot on campus next week, which is something that is attractive to one of the best players in the country.

Mack is a kid that will be a successful wherever he chose to go to school, because he has the work ethic to be great. Very similar to Jaylon Smith in that aspect and probably little more personable. We will see how he does once he gets to Columbus.

 

[JD Irish]

What? Why? Because Austin doesn't love ND like we do?

There are plenty of kids who have scholly offers from both schools and choose not to attend, for whatever reason.......at some point, please pull your head out of your ass

Hahaha. It has absolutely nothing to do with bias. Do one of those blind analyses like they do with bubble teams on the NCAA tournament to determine who has the best resume. ND is just objectively superior in nearly every meaningful way, and it isn't close.

There is not a rational reason for choosing Ohio State over Notre Dame. You have an opportunity to attend one of the finest universities in the country and you instead choose to go to a giant state school? Are you kidding me? Attending Notre Dame on a full scholarship is the opportunity of a lifetime.

If someone chooses Stanford over ND, fine. Even USC is somewhat understandable. Ohio State? That's a joke. I would seriously question the higher cognitive functioning of someone who had full scholarship offers to ND and OSU and chose OSU.

 

[Classic Irish]

Hahaha. It has absolutely nothing to do with bias. Do one of those blind analyses like they do with bubble teams on the NCAA tournament to determine who has the best resume. ND is just objectively superior in nearly every meaningful way, and it isn't close.

There is not a rational reason for choosing Ohio State over Notre Dame. You have an opportunity to attend one of the finest universities in the country and you instead choose to go to a giant state school? Are you kidding me? Attending Notre Dame on a full scholarship is the opportunity of a lifetime.

If someone chooses Stanford over ND, fine. Even USC is somewhat understandable. Ohio State? That's a joke. I would seriously question the higher cognitive functioning of someone who had full scholarship offers to ND and OSU and chose OSU.

Couldn't agree more. But be aware that some people actually believe that these kids are seriously interested in a real education and refuse to believe that these kids are simply looking to coast through a leisure studies major.

 

[pkt77242]

Hahaha. It has absolutely nothing to do with bias. Do one of those blind analyses like they do with bubble teams on the NCAA tournament to determine who has the best resume. ND is just objectively superior in nearly every meaningful way, and it isn't close.

There is not a rational reason for choosing Ohio State over Notre Dame. You have an opportunity to attend one of the finest universities in the country and you instead choose to go to a giant state school? Are you kidding me? Attending Notre Dame on a full scholarship is the opportunity of a lifetime.

If someone chooses Stanford over ND, fine. Even USC is somewhat understandable. Ohio State? That's a joke. I would seriously question the higher cognitive functioning of someone who had full scholarship offers to ND and OSU and chose OSU.

Seriously? Depending on what you want to major in OSU can be a better option. For example if you want to do A business degree specializing in SCM, OSU is a great option (though MSU is probably better).

Also to Whiskey if you see this, remember how you got on a poster who said that this board can be elitist about education, well here is your proof.

 

[Classic Irish]

Seriously? Depending on what you want to major in OSU can be a better option. For example if you want to do A business degree specializing in SCM, OSU is a great option (though MSU is probably better).

Also to Whiskey if you see this, remember how you got on a poster who said that this board can be elitist about education, well here is your proof.

It's not a matter of being elitist about education. It's a matter of pointing out that it does in fact matter where one goes to school. Can someone get a good education at Ohio State if they apply themselves? Sure, but it's not the same if that person went to Stanford. To suggest otherwise implies that all schools are the same---which is patently false. And this doesn't even take into consideration that a large percentage of high school athletes simply want to cruise through college to the NFL while essentially majoring in football (e.g. Cardale Jones' remark "I didn't come here to play school.").

 

[pkt77242]

It's not a matter of being elitist about education. It's a matter of pointing out that it does in fact matter where one goes to school. Can someone get a good education at Ohio State if they apply themselves? Sure, but it's not the same if that person went to Stanford. To suggest otherwise implies that all schools are the same---which is patently false. And this doesn't even take into consideration that a large percentage of high school athletes simply want to cruise through college to the NFL while essentially majoring in football (e.g. Cardale Jones' remark "I didn't come here to play school.").

You are making blanket statements. There are educational reasons to choose OSU over ND, such as OSU is rated better in some degree programs than ND (I brought up SCM because they have the #3 rated SCM business program in the country). Maybe OSU offers their major and ND doesn't. It isn't about getting the same education everywhere. It is that some schools are better at certain majors than others.

It is elitist to say things such as

There is not a rational reason for choosing Ohio State over Notre Dame. You have an opportunity to attend one of the finest universities in the country and you instead choose to go to a giant state school? Are you kidding me? Attending Notre Dame on a full scholarship is the opportunity of a lifetime.

If someone chooses Stanford over ND, fine. Even USC is somewhat understandable. Ohio State? That's a joke. I would seriously question the higher cognitive functioning of someone who had full scholarship offers to ND and OSU and chose OSU.

 

[Classic Irish]

You are making blanket statements. There are educational reasons to choose OSU over ND, such as OSU is rated better in some degree programs than ND (I brought up SCM because they have the #3 rated SCM business program in the country). Maybe OSU offers their major and ND doesn't. It isn't about getting the same education everywhere. It is that some schools are better at certain majors than others. How hard is that to understand?

It is elitist to say things such as

Yes, some schools are better in certain areas of study. But a particular major shouldn't trump the overall quality of respective institutions. A large percentage of students enter college with only a vague sense of what their course of study will be. In fact, a great percentage of student change their majors during their academic careers. Also, how many students choose a particular school because they have the best undergraduate program in, fior example, pre-Columbian art? Very few. I was in academia for years, teaching at two Big Ten universities (and even earned my PhD at a Big Ten university), and do not believe it is elitist whatsoever to say what the OP wrote. It's a factual statement. To be offered full rides to Stanford and ND and to turn them down to go to Ohio State is really idiotic. If my son or daughter were offered a full ride to an elite academic institution (e.g. Stanford, Northwestern, ND, Princeton, etc) and wanted to turn it down to go to a place like Ohio State, I certainly wouldn't just sit back and say, "That's ok, since it doesn't matter where you go to school." Indeed, I question the judgment of any parent who would be ok with this. Sorry, you won't convince me otherwise. I know there's a difference in quality from first hand experience.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Hahaha. It has absolutely nothing to do with bias. Do one of those blind analyses like they do with bubble teams on the NCAA tournament to determine who has the best resume. ND is just objectively superior in nearly every meaningful way, and it isn't close.

There is not a rational reason for choosing Ohio State over Notre Dame. You have an opportunity to attend one of the finest universities in the country and you instead choose to go to a giant state school? Are you kidding me? Attending Notre Dame on a full scholarship is the opportunity of a lifetime.

If someone chooses Stanford over ND, fine. Even USC is somewhat understandable. Ohio State? That's a joke. I would seriously question the higher cognitive functioning of someone who had full scholarship offers to ND and OSU and chose OSU.

What you fail to understand is that there are kids with ND offers that have very little chance at succeeding at ND. They simply don't have the education, in the classroom and in the classroom of life, to handle a place like ND. ND would either swallow them whole, or they'd rebel and reject what ND was selling. For those kids, OSU might very well be a better fit and yes, a better choice.

I've worked in the ghetto/barrio pretty much my entire adult life until about 6 months ago, with children of all ages. Believe me when I tell you that most of them, even kids good hearts and good intentions, couldn't handle ND, even with all the academic support. They are kids of color in a white world, in classes with students that are privileged and come from the best high schools across the country, who don't have to work nor out in 20+ hours of football every week. I work on campus and it is a different world than the disadvantaged places a lot of these recruits are coming from.

There is a LONG list of players who came here who had no business coming here, who flunked out or got kicked out or just plain quit. Aaron Lynch, Davonte Neal, Justin Ferguson, Johnny Williams, Davaris Daniels and the Frozen 5...I could go on and on talking about guys who should never have been here in the first place and got kicked out and/or left. And yes, there are kids from tough neighborhoods that have made it at ND, but those kids are special and not everyone is wired that way.

So I completely disagree with your thought that a kid should always choose ND over OSU and he's an idiot if he doesn't. That's not even remotely close to correct because everyone is different and comes from different backgrounds. I LOVE Notre Dame, but not every kid can handle ND, because once they get here, no matter how many academic/social risks the admin lets in for the football team (and there are plenty), ND is unrelenting in their beliefs once they get on campus, and these kids are going to earn their degree. And some kids simply can't do that...they SHOULD choose another school and that's OK IMHO.