'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[NDVirginia19]

IMO not that hard. I went from 850 to 980 and I didn't even study the 2nd time.

When did you take it Koonja? It's changed a lot over time I'm a freshman, so Idk anyone on this board who has taken it more recently

 

[brewdog_14527]

Can recruits go on OV's after signing day?

I would assume that this is an option, but I am curious as to why they didn't have him come out for their big recruiting weekend. Or why they have not visited him or seem to have made more of a push to build the relationship. We can all speculate as to what we think is going to happen and I know that he says he is interested in Stanford, but I just can't believe that he is going to wind up there with everything that has not happened with him and Stanford. But what the hell do I know!!

 

[IrishLax]

Stanford has the ugliest female population in probably all of FBS football, even including Palo Alto if you wanted to. I know about a dozen people who did grad school there and about a half dozen that did undergrad. The ones that did undergrad at ND say unequivocally that the women are not only much uglier by orders of magnitude, but that the overall social scene is comically bad.

 

[jason_h537]

Stanford has the ugliest female population in probably all of FBS football, even including Palo Alto if you wanted to. I know about a dozen people who did grad school there and about a half dozen that did undergrad. The ones that did undergrad at ND say unequivocally that the women are not only much uglier by orders of magnitude, but that the overall social scene is comically bad.

I have to disagree with you there. They may not have the level of UCLA or USC but when I visited my friend up there in college there were cuties everywhere. Granted, I mostly just went to parties and some may not have been students but the girls looked good.

 

[woolybug25]

Justin Timberlake is banging a hot Stanford coed in The Social Network...








I'll see myself out...

 

[Domina Nostra]

IMO not that hard. I went from 850 to 980 and I didn't even study the 2nd time.

That's not that common.

 

[koonja]

When did you take it Koonja? It's changed a lot over time I'm a freshman, so Idk anyone on this board who has taken it more recently

I'm jk, I never took it.

 

[MNIrishman]

1) More successful of late
2) More hip area
3) substantially better weather
4) way more businesses in the area (not that he'll probably be interning any time soon)
5) More attractive women, especially in the surrounding area.
6) More prestigious school.

Feel free to add others.

1) Only a bit.
2) Can't argue that
3) Eh better is a matter of perception. I know a girl who turned down Berkeley for MN because she didn't like the freezing morning hot afternoon routine, and she said they didn't HVAC their buildings well. Also, many people really like snow and seasons rather than the brown drab of Northern California winters.
4) If you're at an internship, proximity to campus isn't super important. Nevertheless, we have Chicago, which is certainly comparable to or better than SF in many industries, with a better cost of living while you're there (bank more of that sweet paycheck).
5) I think LAX handled this.
6) Sometimes true, sometimes not. Depends on the region and the audience. A lot of people out east get it confused with Stamford, Very few people outside California go to Stanford, so their national connection is perhaps more limited. However, among graduate schools and Tech companies, they're a lot better than ND. Nevertheless, we've both got good access to 'old boys club' industries like consulting and banking where name brand school is very important.

 

[Domina Nostra]

1) Only a bit.
2) Can't argue that
3) Eh better is a matter of perception. I know a girl who turned down Berkeley for MN because she didn't like the freezing morning hot afternoon routine, and she said they didn't HVAC their buildings well. Also, many people really like snow and seasons rather than the brown drab of Northern California winters.
4) If you're at an internship, proximity to campus isn't super important. Nevertheless, we have Chicago, which is certainly comparable to or better than SF in many industries, with a better cost of living while you're there (bank more of that sweet paycheck).
5) I think LAX handled this.
6) Sometimes true, sometimes not. Depends on the region and the audience. A lot of people out east get it confused with Stamford, Very few people outside California go to Stanford, so their national connection is perhaps more limited. However, among graduate schools and Tech companies, they're a lot better than ND. Nevertheless, we've both got good access to 'old boys club' industries like consulting and banking where name brand school is very important.

You had me until 6...

 

[aubeirish]

I'm no expert on Stanford's female population, but it probably depends on how much you like asian chicks haha.

 

[dwshade]

That's not that common.

No it's not and would raise a lot of eyebrows with the NCAA.

 

[connor_in]

I'm no expert on Stanford's female population, but it probably depends on how much you like asian chicks haha.

Yeah, I miss ACamp too

 

[GBdomer]

If you guys truly believe he just needs to get his score up 100 points and he's getting into Stanford then idk what to tell you. Of course a recruit is going to say he's close. He's not getting into Stanford because he's already been denied, has he filled out the ap?

Imo- he gave the staff great impression that he's coming. Maybe he gave his word.
Staff asked him not to visit anymore. Drob comes up with an exucuse not to visit Bama for the second weekend in a row. If Bama was that much of a player he would have visited.

This is all my opinion and just some stuff I've heard that's similar to Kelly but he's given the staff scrong impressions he is coming. No other reason EVERY ND site is confident. It's not like 24-7 is hearing this and rivals is hearing that. I would be shocked if he visited GA Tech the last weekend and I wouldn't be shocked if he's made his decision and doesn't want to confuse himself.


You can believe me or not but just under impressions this is what I've come too

 

[TheChosen1]

If you guys truly believe he just needs to get his score up 100 points and he's getting into Stanford then idk what to tell you. Of course a recruit is going to say he's close. He's not getting into Stanford because he's already been denied, has he filled out the ap?

Imo- he gave the staff great impression that he's coming. Maybe he gave his word.
Staff asked him not to visit anymore. Drob comes up with an exucuse not to visit Bama for the second weekend in a row. If Bama was that much of a player he would have visited.

This is all my opinion and just some stuff I've heard that's similar to Kelly but he's given the staff scrong impressions he is coming. No other reason EVERY ND site is confident. It's not like 24-7 is hearing this and rivals is hearing that. I would be shocked if he visited GA Tech the last weekend and I wouldn't be shocked if he's made his decision and doesn't want to confuse himself.


You can believe me or not but just under impressions this is what I've come too

Sorry Man but you aren't breaking any news with the 3 paragraph statement above. We were all thinking it.

 

[stlnd01]

I mean maybe he can get his scores up but it doesn't seem like Stanford is really recruiting him at all. And he hasn't even been there? I know they recruit differently than most. But still...

I like where we sit, but this has been a weird one. Nothing's for sure at this point.

 

[NDinL.A.]

1) Only a bit.
2) Can't argue that
3) Eh better is a matter of perception. I know a girl who turned down Berkeley for MN because she didn't like the freezing morning hot afternoon routine, and she said they didn't HVAC their buildings well. Also, many people really like snow and seasons rather than the brown drab of Northern California winters.
4) If you're at an internship, proximity to campus isn't super important. Nevertheless, we have Chicago, which is certainly comparable to or better than SF in many industries, with a better cost of living while you're there (bank more of that sweet paycheck).
5) I think LAX handled this.
6) Sometimes true, sometimes not. Depends on the region and the audience. A lot of people out east get it confused with Stamford, Very few people outside California go to Stanford, so their national connection is perhaps more limited. However, among graduate schools and Tech companies, they're a lot better than ND. Nevertheless, we've both got good access to 'old boys club' industries like consulting and banking where name brand school is very important.

1. Sorry man, Stanford has had a lot more recent success than ND...it's not even close really. They have 5 BCS games to our 2 in the last 6 seasons, 3 BCS wins to our zero, 5 double-digit win seasons to our 2, and they are 4-2 against us.
3. Many "people" do like seasons and snow, but we're talking about 17-18 kids, many from the South and the West Coast. And many of them don't like the weather here, even if they commit to ND. I moved here from the west coast, so it doesn't bother me, but it definitely bothers a lot of recruits.
6. By almost all accounts, Stanford overall is a more prestigious school. Doesn't make ND bad; it's just that Stanford has a REALLY good reputation.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You had me until 6...

I'm sorry, but Stanford is a more accredited University. That, obviously, can vary from program to program, but on average, Stanford is more prestigious.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

1. Sorry man, Stanford has had a lot more recent success than ND...it's not even close really. They have 5 BCS games to our 2 in the last 6 seasons, 3 BCS wins to our zero, 5 double-digit win seasons to our 2, and they are 4-2 against us.

3. Many "people" do like seasons and snow, but we're talking about 17-18 kids, many from the South and the West Coast. And many of them don't like the weather here, even if they commit to ND. I moved here from the west coast, so it doesn't bother me, but it definitely bothers a lot of recruits.

6. By almost all accounts, Stanford overall is a more prestigious school. Doesn't make ND bad; it's just that Stanford has a REALLY good reputation.

Stanford is the Ivy League of the west.


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[MNIrishman]

1. Sorry man, Stanford has had a lot more recent success than ND...it's not even close really. They have 5 BCS games to our 2 in the last 6 seasons, 3 BCS wins to our zero, 5 double-digit win seasons to our 2, and they are 4-2 against us.
3. Many "people" do like seasons and snow, but we're talking about 17-18 kids, many from the South and the West Coast. And many of them don't like the weather here, even if they commit to ND. I moved here from the west coast, so it doesn't bother me, but it definitely bothers a lot of recruits.
6. By almost all accounts, Stanford overall is a more prestigious school. Doesn't make ND bad; it's just that Stanford has a REALLY good reputation.

I think ND has more cache with a lot of companies in the Midwest and East than Stanford does. I was pretty reasonable with my analysis. It depends on who you're talking to and why. Stanford is the King of California but a lot of people in the Midwest don't know much about it if they've even heard of it. They have an outstanding faculty which means their academic cache is almost unassailable, and their engineering and connection to Silicon Valley are also amazing. But when it comes to employment opportunities and salary, ND engineers do just fine relative to their Stanford counterparts.

Anecdotally, I went to the best high school in Ohio (by average SAT). Our class sent people to Harvard, Johns Hopkins, ND, Chicago, WUSTL, UCLA, Cal, Dartmouth, Annapolis, and West Point, among others. As far as I know, no one even bothered to apply to Stanford. That might be changing with their athletic success (Flutie effect) but for now Stanford is mostly California in a 'universally known' sense and national in an 'academic and top tier industry' sense. For that to change, I think they'll have to start accepting more than just a few people from each state outside California. Last I saw, they had something like 800 enrollees from California and only a few dozen from the next highest contributing state.

 

[pkt77242]

I think ND has more cache with a lot of companies in the Midwest and East than Stanford does. I was pretty reasonable with my analysis. It depends on who you're talking to and why. Stanford is the King of California but a lot of people in the Midwest don't know much about it if they've even heard of it. They have an outstanding faculty which means their academic cache is almost unassailable, and their engineering and connection to Silicon Valley are also amazing. But when it comes to employment opportunities and salary, ND engineers do just fine relative to their Stanford counterparts.

Anecdotally, I went to the best high school in Ohio (by average SAT). Our class sent people to Harvard, Johns Hopkins, ND, Chicago, WUSTL, UCLA, Cal, Dartmouth, Annapolis, and West Point, among others. As far as I know, no one even bothered to apply to Stanford. That might be changing with their athletic success (Flutie effect) but for now Stanford is mostly California in a 'universally known' sense and national in an 'academic and top tier industry' sense. For that to change, I think they'll have to start accepting more than just a few people from each state outside California. Last I saw, they had something like 800 enrollees from California and only a few dozen from the next highest contributing state.

According to Stanford 63% of Fall 2015 freshmen are from out of state. That is a pretty large number. Also 61% of all undergraduates are from out of state. Stanford University: Common Data Set 2015-2016
It is under F:Student Life

 

[MNIrishman]

According to Stanford 63% of Fall 2015 freshmen are from out of state. That is a pretty large number. Also 61% of all undergraduates are from out of state. Stanford University: Common Data Set 2015-2016
It is under F:Student Life

Interesting. So it would appear that their demographics are developing. I haven't looked in a few years so perhaps my numbers are out of date. Nevertheless, that's still very different from ND's 92% out of state.

 

[pkt77242]

Interesting. So it would appear that their demographics are developing. I haven't looked in a few years so perhaps my numbers are out of date. Nevertheless, that's still very different from ND's 92% out of state.

That isn't really fair though. How about you add up the amount of students from Indiana, Michigan and Illinois and compare it. First off, California is larger than all 3 of those put together (I believe but the numbers I looked at might not be up to date and if they are correct California has about 10 million more residents than those 3 combined) and 2nd ND is "local" for parts of Michigan and Illinois. I am guessing that if you do that it would be pretty similar (though ND might still have more diversity but it would be significantly closer).

 

[ThePiombino]

People need to stop fretting so much. I think we put ourselves in a position (the top position) to win this recruitment regardless of whether Demetris magically reached Stanford's academic requirements.

I think it's pretty clear that if he were to magically gain admittance to Stanford, he would definitely be enrolling there. Luckily for us, it doesn't appear as though he will, so yay for ND!

 

[MNIrishman]

That isn't really fair though. How about you add up the amount of students from Indiana, Michigan and Illinois and compare it. First off, California is larger than all 3 of those put together (I believe but the numbers I looked at might not be up to date and if they are correct California has about 10 million more residents than those 3 combined) and 2nd ND is "local" for parts of Michigan and Illinois. I am guessing that if you do that it would be pretty similar (though ND might still have more diversity but it would be significantly closer).

It's as fair as Stanford citing to football recruits their average alumni salary without adjusting for San Fran/LA cost of living or major. Every statistic could use some contextualization.

I would like to point out that the cultures of the states around Indiana are all markedly different at least, with Michigan being a far cry from Kentucky. Also, only a third of ND's students are even from the Midwest: https://www.nd.edu/about/at-a-glance/students/

 

[pkt77242]

It's as fair as Stanford citing to football recruits their average alumni salary without adjusting for San Fran/LA cost of living or major. Every statistic could use some contextualization.

I would like to point out that the cultures of the states around Indiana are all markedly different at least, with Michigan being a far cry from Kentucky. Also, only a third of ND's students are even from the Midwest: https://www.nd.edu/about/at-a-glance/students/

I am not disagreeing with that and I agree that ND has more diversity but including Michigan and Illinois makes sense because ND is pretty much a stone throw from those two states.

 

[irishroo]

I think ND has more cache with a lot of companies in the Midwest and East than Stanford does. I was pretty reasonable with my analysis. It depends on who you're talking to and why. Stanford is the King of California but a lot of people in the Midwest don't know much about it if they've even heard of it. They have an outstanding faculty which means their academic cache is almost unassailable, and their engineering and connection to Silicon Valley are also amazing. But when it comes to employment opportunities and salary, ND engineers do just fine relative to their Stanford counterparts.

Anecdotally, I went to the best high school in Ohio (by average SAT). Our class sent people to Harvard, Johns Hopkins, ND, Chicago, WUSTL, UCLA, Cal, Dartmouth, Annapolis, and West Point, among others. As far as I know, no one even bothered to apply to Stanford. That might be changing with their athletic success (Flutie effect) but for now Stanford is mostly California in a 'universally known' sense and national in an 'academic and top tier industry' sense. For that to change, I think they'll have to start accepting more than just a few people from each state outside California. Last I saw, they had something like 800 enrollees from California and only a few dozen from the next highest contributing state.

What?? People in the midwest haven't even heard of Stanford? That's like saying people in LA haven't heard of Harvard. Ridiculous

 

[Domina Nostra]

It's as fair as Stanford citing to football recruits their average alumni salary without adjusting for San Fran/LA cost of living or major. Every statistic could use some contextualization.

I would like to point out that the cultures of the states around Indiana are all markedly different at least, with Michigan being a far cry from Kentucky. Also, only a third of ND's students are even from the Midwest: https://www.nd.edu/about/at-a-glance/students/

1) Neither Stanford or Notre Dame are "local" schools in any sense of the word. But there are completely obvious reasons that the national/international school in any region would end up with more kids from that region that other regions unless they were purposefully trying not to: i.e.: its closer to home, its the one that it on people's minds, etc.

2) Big states like California and New York have a ton more kids than can get into prestigious schools than smaller states, and people have more money to pay. People from those states are also quietly confident that they are superior to people from fly-over states.

3) Stanford is as prestigious as it gets and is going to open doors anywhere that academic reputation matters even a little. Notre Dame is a big, big deal, but a clear step down. But the gap with ND will be smallest in the MW. The most prestigious regional schools will look a little better within that region, at least outside of the biggest cities. For example, Duke may look a little better against Stanford in the South, at least outside of Atlanta, etc..

4) Also the gap will get smaller in places where there are less overall applicants from prestigious schools, making anything but state U seem more exotic (and sometimes more pointless).

Long story short. If I want a prestigious job, and I had a choice between having ND and Stanford on my resume, all things being equal, Stanford is better.

I would rather go to ND, personally, though, because I think the liberal arts education is superior and the spiritual aspect is critical. That's what I care about, personally. I'm not trying to engineer chmicals, or start a tech company.

 

[brewdog_14527]

Rivals and 247 both have updates on DR. Anyone hear anything?

 

[IrishLion]

Rivals and 247 both have updates on DR. Anyone hear anything?

Ha, we have to wait for everyone to slowly trickle back in now that the site is up. THEN we'll have the goods lol.

 

[gkIrish]

Rivals and 247 both have updates on DR. Anyone hear anything?

I think it's something along the lines of Georgia not being out of it.