'15 OH CB Nick Coleman (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[bluengold4732]

This guy meant Texas right?

Nope it was Nevada...he gave up the 66yd completion at the end of the game that lead to Nevada's TD. But even without that to allow 5rec for 88yds is rough

 

[Irish Man3]

Sounds worse than it is. A lot of those passes were 5 yard button routes where BVG had his DB playing 8 yards off the line. Take that stat with a grain of salt.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Sounds worse than it is. A lot of those passes were 5 yard button routes where BVG had his DB playing 8 yards off the line. Take that stat with a grain of salt.

No i don't think you are correct. I belevie he got beat twice deep. One time on the deep route he fell when turning around to play the ball...smh

 

[IrishLion]

No i don't think you are correct. I belevie he got beat twice deep. One time on the deep route he fell when turning around to play the ball...smh

I wouldn't indict him on the play where he fell down. He got his head turned and was going to be in position for the INT, but lost his footing.

It's his job to keep his feet under him, but sometimes the turf monster acts up and there's nothing you can do.

 

[SoDakDomer]

Nope it was Nevada...he gave up the 66yd completion at the end of the game that lead to Nevada's TD. But even without that to allow 5rec for 88yds is rough

Ouch.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I wouldn't indict him on the play where he fell down. He got his head turned and was going to be in position for the INT, but lost his footing.

It's his job to keep his feet under him, but sometimes the turf monster acts up and there's nothing you can do.

IDK. I know he is an athletic kid, but it looked like a very nonathletic play.

 

[NDRock]

Not to go all Koon but that's about what I'd expect from the 2nd lowest rated kid (minus Yoon) in that class. Didn't get the home state offer from OSU either.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Has Ashton WHite played this year?

 

[Irish Man3]

No i don't think you are correct. I belevie he got beat twice deep. One time on the deep route he fell when turning around to play the ball...smh

Nope, I'm not wrong.

He didn't get beat deep on the play he fell on, either. He actually had great position and did something no defensive back for ND (minus Cole Luke) can seem to do, turn for the ball. He slipped gathering his feet which is bad luck, but the defense to that point was textbook.

The only other play he was responsible for down the field was at the end of the game when he decided to play man and the other ten defenders played zone.

Other than that, five yard button routes, that's all. I'm not saying he was a world beater against Nevada, but that stat is shit.

I have every Coleman play time stamped for a write up on ISD if you want to dive into this more.

 

[IrishLax]

Nope, I'm not wrong.

He didn't get beat deep on the play he fell on, either. He actually had great position and did something no defensive back for ND (minus Cole Luke) can seem to do, turn for the ball. He slipped gathering his feet which is bad luck, but the defense to that point was textbook.

The only other play he was responsible for down the field was at the end of the game when he decided to play man and the other ten defenders played zone.

Other than that, five yard button routes, that's all. I'm not saying he was a wold beater against Nevada, but that stat is shit.

I have every Coleman play time stamped for a write up on ISD if you want to dive into this more.

#MicDrop

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Nope, I'm not wrong.



He didn't get beat deep on the play he fell on, either. He actually had great position and did something no defensive back for ND (minus Cole Luke) can seem to do, turn for the ball. He slipped gathering his feet which is bad luck, but the defense to that point was textbook.



The only other play he was responsible for down the field was at the end of the game when he decided to play man and the other ten defenders played zone.



Other than that, five yard button routes, that's all. I'm not saying he was a wold beater against Nevada, but that stat is shit.



I have every Coleman play time stamped for a write up on ISD if you want to dive into this more.

So you are saying it's fine that he made a non athletic play on the ball, by tangling his feet up and falling?

Also it's ok that he didn't know what play was called?

If these happened in a close game against MSU people would be wanting his head.

Let's face it he is a liability!


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[Sherm Sticky]

So I'm the only poster who thinks Nick Coleman is a liability at corner?


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[dad4aa]

I thought there was a pretty good improvement between Texas and Nevada. I disagree about the non athletic part on the fall. I think Cole is a great CB and he slipped on one of the coverages as well but his WR wasn't targeted so it had no effect. Nick was in position with his head turned to the ball. He did have a bad mistake that led to their only TD.

 

[irishff1014]

I thought there was a pretty good improvement between Texas and Nevada. I disagree about the non athletic part on the fall. I think Cole is a great CB and he slipped on one of the coverages as well but his WR wasn't targeted so it had no effect. Nick was in position with his head turned to the ball. He did have a bad mistake that led to their only TD.

Ummm... The talent difference that was there should have been a given.

 

[Wild Bill]

So I'm the only poster who thinks Nick Coleman is a liability at corner?


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He's clearly the guy who will be targeted. Hopefully he steps up and plays with some confidence.

 

[dad4aa]

Ummm... The talent difference that was there should have been a given.

Never compared talent difference. Making the point the great CBs sometimes have trouble with slipping. Had Nick fell on several occasions...then it's an issue. Unless you're comparing talent level between Texas and Nevada.

 

[Irish Man3]

So you are saying it's fine that he made a non athletic play on the ball, by tangling his feet up and falling?

Also it's ok that he didn't know what play was called?

If these happened in a close game against MSU people would be wanting his head.

Let's face it he is a liability!


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I actually didn't say either one of those things. I simply said the stat that was thrown out there was misleading.

I also dont think him losing his footing has anything to do with athleticism. He was in great position, turned back to make a play on the ball and lost his footing. Bad luck but encouraging to see him do everything textbook to that point.

He remains a liability but there were some encouraging things to take away from the game.

 

[Luckylucci]

So I'm the only poster who thinks Nick Coleman is a liability at corner?


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To answer your question, no I don't have confidence in him going into this weekend.

However, he played well enough during camp that coach Kelly made statements about being confident at CB. That includes without Watkins. The staff was impressed with Coleman last fall camp, that's why he got game reps. I just think, as of now, he isn't translating it to games. Therefore I won't write him off yet. I expect he'll get it, just not sure when.

 

[kmoose]

CanadianIrishFan, I can't argue that. Then again we have CB's in the NFL. No superstars, but in the NFL.

But, we haven't had any shut down with advanced athletic ability that is for sure.

I take it you haven't been watching ND for that long? Vontez Duff and Shane Walton were outstanding college DBs. As in, Consensus All American outstanding, for Walton, in 2002. If we want to go back further, we could talk about Jeff Burris, Todd Lyght, Pat Terrell, or Dave Duerson.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I take it you haven't been watching ND for that long? Vontez Duff and Shane Walton were outstanding college DBs. As in, Consensus All American outstanding, for Walton, in 2002. If we want to go back further, we could talk about Jeff Burris, Todd Lyght, Pat Terrell, or Dave Duerson.

You left off the best corner I have ever seen play at Notre Dame. Bobby Taylor. I've been a fan since 92 and he is the best corner I've seen put on the Irish uniform.


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[kmoose]

You left off the best corner I have ever seen play at Notre Dame. Bobby Taylor. I've been a fan since 92 and he is the best corner I've seen put on the Irish uniform.


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Good catch! I forgot about him because he went to be an Eagle......... and there's only one real NFL team in Pennsylvania, and it ain't on the coast.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Most underrated corner I've seen play for ND is Brock Williams.

Also loved to watch Allen Rossum play CB and as a returner. I remember he had a long pick 6 to seal a game one year at Washington. The only reason he was not a star in the NFL was lack of height.


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[PANDFAN]

So I'm the only poster who thinks Nick Coleman is a liability at corner?


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count me in your boat, but i actually thought he was going to be really good after seeing him last year in limited play

 

[PANDFAN]

I take it you haven't been watching ND for that long? Vontez Duff and Shane Walton were outstanding college DBs. As in, Consensus All American outstanding, for Walton, in 2002. If we want to go back further, we could talk about Jeff Burris, Todd Lyght, Pat Terrell, or Dave Duerson.

man he was one of my favorites....i don't recall how many int's he had but that year under willingham when the offense couldn't score but the def and special teams had us in all the games....he was a game changer...now i am going to have to look up his stat line cause he was special

 

[Bogtrotter07]

K. Russell was incredibly talented. I suspect he'll have a great career in KC if he can stay healthy.

I really wish he had one more year because he can turn and run with anyone.

One more year wouldn't have mattered, when you don't know what defense you are running.

Texas had 280 passing yards Sunday night

FSU had 419 passing yards last night

Ole Miss had 313 passing yards last night

Everybody needs to have their own opinion. Question is, how flexible it is when shown a different perspective. We all need facts to fit our opinions. When do we see that our own opinions are more often the problems, than each other, or ND coaching?

Because UT could run at will. They had 5 rushing TD's. They didn't need to throw like FSU did or Ole miss did as UT had the lead, or was close.

And they missed about 3 TD passes. 2 were drops and one was overthrown.

If UT needed to throw for that many yards, they could've. Easily.

Texas had 237 yards rushing in 59 attempts, for 4.0 yards per. 59 attempts! Texas ran 86 plays! That was a buzz saw in the first game heat in Austin.

And that was as often as not against a stupid 3-3-5. So Texas was far from running at will. Short yardage was in the bank, but your post is a mischaracterization.

I believe the biggest problem with the defense was not being able to get substitutes in, beyond that awful 3-3! Who could stop a run with that?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

So I'm the only poster who thinks Nick Coleman is a liability at corner?


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People forget. Nick was a three star recruit out of Alder, mostly because he was an offensive player only in high school.

He wanted to go to ND. So he switched.

His high school coach, and you all can look this up, said it would probably take a while for him to have an impact at ND because he was going to be playing defense, on the other side of the ball, from where he excelled in high school. How often does a coach say something like this?

His coach went on to say that he had the heart, attitude, and skills to make a difference on defense at ND, just that it would take him a while, that he didn't even learn some defensive fundamentals in high school. So that is where this conversation should be.

My feeling, the coaches like him. His mistakes have been fundamental based, easy to correct kind of stuff. And he keeps playing with heart, and improving.

I see someone like Cole Luke. Remember when Luke was the newbie that kept getting picked on? Until he ruined a few quarterback's days?

We will see.

 

[Blaise]

So I'm the only poster who thinks Nick Coleman is a liability at corner?


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He is but he is the best of what we have IMO... If Cole Luke can develop into a lock down corner, we can shade coverage to Nick's side and help him out

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Also, Donte Vaugh is really coming on.

 

[Chi_IRISH]

I don't care who is playing corner, we are 1 of 5 FBS schools that doesn't have a sack yet this year. We need pressure up front to give these guys a little help. Not saying he has played great by any means, but anyone who knows football knows that a pass rush helps the guys out on the back end.

 

[sportallyr]

I don't care who is playing corner, we are 1 of 5 FBS schools that doesn't have a sack yet this year. We need pressure up front to give these guys a little help. Not saying he has played great by any means, but anyone who knows football knows that a pass rush helps the guys out on the back end.

This! Doesn't matter who we have back there...if we can't get pressure on the QB, the DB's are going to struggle!