'15 NV TE Aliz'e Mack (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[dublinirish]

No. Ishaq was poorly evaluated out of high school. He never had the ability to become a great college player or much less an NFL starter regardless of whether he was dedicated or not. Alize has uncapped potential. He hasn't put it together and hopefully he does.

guy was a stoner too right?

 

[IrishLion]

No. Ishaq was poorly evaluated out of high school. He never had the ability to become a great college player or much less an NFL starter regardless of whether he was dedicated or not. Alize has uncapped potential. He hasn't put it together and hopefully he does.

I disagree. I think he was a poor fit for Diaco's scheme, but he was projected fine as a WDE/pass-rush specialist with 5-star upside.

Had he played somewhere in a true 4-3, he would've been a 3rd-and-long player his first two years that could get after the QB, and probably developed into a fine 3-down WDE his 3rd and 4th years.

It's no coincidence that his most productive year for ND was in 2013, when he was playing primarily DE in Diaco's 4-man fronts.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I disagree. I think he was a poor fit for Diaco's scheme, but he was projected fine as a WDE/pass-rush specialist with 5-star upside.

Had he played somewhere in a true 4-3, he would've been a 3rd-and-long player his first two years that could get after the QB, and probably developed into a fine 3-down WDE his 3rd and 4th years.

It's no coincidence that his most productive year for ND was in 2013, when he was playing primarily DE in Diaco's 4-man fronts.

He never seemed to have that killer instinct, but maybe that was just me projecting.

 

[zelezo vlk]

guy was a stoner too right?

Philosophy major, duh

 

[IrishLion]

He never seemed to have that killer instinct, but maybe that was just me projecting.

Yeah he was way chill for a guy who was supposed to be head-hunting QB's, but I think that was also mitigated by the fact that Diaco was trying to turn him into a prototype OLB... he didn't have the freedom to put his hand in the dirt, which would have fit his skill set much better.

It was great that we landed him, and the Diaco/closer story is epic, but Ishaq honestly made a poor decision in choosing ND in terms of on-field development.

 

[benneboy]

I disagree. I think he was a poor fit for Diaco's scheme, but he was projected fine as a WDE/pass-rush specialist with 5-star upside.

Had he played somewhere in a true 4-3, he would've been a 3rd-and-long player his first two years that could get after the QB, and probably developed into a fine 3-down WDE his 3rd and 4th years.

It's no coincidence that his most productive year for ND was in 2013, when he was playing primarily DE in Diaco's 4-man fronts.

Agree to disagree. His high school film was really underwhelming. Somehow was billed a 5 star almost solely because he had crazy length. He couldn't bend, little to no agility or quickness off the ball, and never developed the strength to the point where his size could be taken advantage of.

 

[stlnd01]

Agree to disagree. His high school film was really underwhelming. Somehow was billed a 5 star almost solely because he had crazy length. He couldn't bend, little to no agility or quickness off the ball, and never developed the strength to the point where his size could be taken advantage of.

He didn't exactly come from an elite high school program. The guy was probably always more of a project than his star rating suggested.
Ishaq also his senior/fifth years due to incomprehensible academic/reguatory fuckupery. I still think if he would have gotten another year of consistent play he could have worked his way into the draft. Though who knows what BVG would have done to that dude's head.
As far as talent, he still managed to sign and hang with the Giants for a year despite essentially two seasons of not playing college ball. That's not nothing.

 

[Luckylucci]

Yeah he was way chill for a guy who was supposed to be head-hunting QB's, but I think that was also mitigated by the fact that Diaco was trying to turn him into a prototype OLB... he didn't have the freedom to put his hand in the dirt, which would have fit his skill set much better.
It was great that we landed him, and the Diaco/closer story is epic, but Ishaq honestly made a poor decision in choosing ND in terms of on-field development.

I would agree that he would've been better off as a 4-3 DE only, but we were in a 4-3 roughly 50% of the time and Shembo put his hand in the dirt quite a bit during that timeframe. This was an Ishaq problem, not a Diaco problem. Ishaq could never beat out Shembo, and then pissed away his chance once Shembo was gone.

 

[BobbyMac]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NDFootball</a> OC Chip Long: Alize' Mack has had a really, really good spring. Best since I've been here. He hasn't had a bad day yet. <a href="https://t.co/1xMEb6CcpY">pic.twitter.com/1xMEb6CcpY</a></p>— Tom Davis (@Tom101010) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tom101010/status/984435157850640384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[irishff1014]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NDFootball</a> OC Chip Long: Alize' Mack has had a really, really good spring. Best since I've been here. He hasn't had a bad day yet. <a href="https://t.co/1xMEb6CcpY">pic.twitter.com/1xMEb6CcpY</a></p>— Tom Davis (@Tom101010) <a href="https://twitter.com/Tom101010/status/984435157850640384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

We have heard that since he has been here....

 

[BobbyMac]

We have heard that since he has been here....

We have?

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Yeah we have heard every here how he is unstoppable in practice and catches everything and a match up nightmare and it doesn't translate to the game day

 

[irishff1014]

Every year he does so good in camp and how he will be a difference maker. And on the field it has yet to been seen.

 

[Luckylucci]

We have?

No we haven't. It's pretty unanimous from the ND sites that this is the most consistent he's looked in practice since he's been on campus. In the past he'd flash, make some big plays, and then lose focus. This isn't coach speak, basically everyone who has watched practice has said this is the most consistent he's been.

Now he still needs to show up on Saturdays but there is more to this than before.

 

[BobbyMac]

No we haven't. It's pretty unanimous from the ND sites that this is the most consistent he's looked in practice since he's been on campus. In the past he'd flash, make some big plays, and then lose focus. This isn't coach speak, basically everyone who has watched practice has said this is the most consistent he's been.

Now he still needs to show up on Saturdays but there is more to this than before.

Exactly. I read a piece by the grumpiest man in ND analysis that said exactly that and from my limited time reading his pieces, he doesn't throw nice around for fun. In fact he said something to the effect of... ND's TE production has been sub par recently but that's gonna change this year, mark it down.

In all my years of watching HS football, Alize is 1a, 1b or 1c with Von McKinley and Jake Smith as a receiver. He has to break out. If they are throwing to the TE's on the regular, that will force the issue and guarantees it happens.

 

[Luckylucci]

ISD has been pretty adamant that this is the best TE group ND has had in many years. Can't remember how far back they went with their comparison. As Cole has been balling lately and Brock is very solid, as well.

 

[IrishLion]

Exactly. I read a piece by the grumpiest man in ND analysis that said exactly that and from my limited time reading his pieces, he doesn't throw nice around for fun. In fact he said something to the effect of... ND's TE production has been sub par recently but that's gonna change this year, mark it down.

In all my years of watching HS football, Alize is 1a, 1b or 1c with Von McKinley and Jake Smith as a receiver. He has to break out. If they are throwing to the TE's on the regular, that will force the issue and guarantees it happens.

Hopefully Long has been pounding on the table in every coaches meeting and every film session during the offseason and Spring practices about getting his TE's more targets.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Hopefully Long has been pounding on the table in every coaches meeting and every film session during the offseason and Spring practices about getting his TE's more targets.

Maybe he could just, I don't know, call the plays?

 

[BobbyMac]

Maybe he could just, I don't know, call the plays?

Don't forget, even if Long has autonomy in calling the plays, he does not have autonomy in loading the playbook. That's done in collaboration with BK which in the beginning probably wasn't a 50-50 venture.

 

[Luckylucci]

Hopefully Long has been pounding on the table in every coaches meeting and every film session during the offseason and Spring practices about getting his TE's more targets.

Not sure if this was just for show with the recruit viewing practice but Ethan Rae said that the TE's were very active in practice. He said it was nice to see, as a lot of coaches say it, but not a lot actually do it.

Also, it's sounds like they've been quite active in the 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 viewings the media has seen.

 

[IrishLion]

Maybe he could just, I don't know, call the plays?

He was calling the plays, but he's still beholden to BK's aspects of the playbook, as well as BK's gameplans and call sheets.

He featured the TE heavily at Memphis, and recruiting trends say he wants to do the same here. Last year felt like an uptick in TE usage, but I still don't feel like we were doing it enough to maximize the threat of the run game, attacking the seams and deep middle and such.

That's partly on Long pounding the table when the coaches talk about installation in meetings, and partly on Long pounding the table in film sessions when he's telling Wimbush where he should be throwing the ball.

Not sure if this was just for show with the recruit viewing practice but Ethan Rae said that the TE's were very active in practice. He said it was nice to see, as a lot of coaches say it, but not a lot actually do it.

Also, it's sounds like they've been quite active in the 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 viewings the media has seen.

This is good news. And Long and BK have both mentioned that the offense NEEDS to pass the ball more this year, so TE targets should increase naturally either way.

I just hope BK doesn't revert to "Air Raid BK" and affect Long's designs for TE usage too drastically.

 

[snoopdog]

Well to be fair....this time last year BK was hyping the living hell out of Alize....getting everyone jacked up on how productive he was going to be in 2017. Which did end up leading to a huge let down.

I wish they (Long and BK) just downplayed his spring and let events unfold without sky high expectations.

 

[dublinirish]

Well to be fair....this time last year BK was hyping the living hell out of Alize....getting everyone jacked up on how productive he was going to be in 2017. Which did end up leading to a huge let down.

I wish they (Long and BK) just downplayed his spring and let events unfold without sky high expectations.

Alize is the sort of kid who needs praise or else he'll throw a strop most likely.

 

[ACamp1900]

Alize is the sort of kid who needs praise or else he'll throw a strop most likely.

LOL.

"Who's a good lil tight end?... You're a good lil tight end, yes you are!,.... yes you are!"

 

[dublinirish]

LOL.

"Who's a good lil tight end?... You're a good lil tight end, yes you are!,.... yes you are!"

lol just look at his social media, it's obvious he craves positive reinforcement.

 

[snoopdog]

Alize is the sort of kid who needs praise or else he'll throw a strop most likely.

I think that card has been played and Pot lost.

Time to play a new card....put up or shut up

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think that card has been played and Pot lost.

Time to play a new card....put up or shut up

Sometimes it just takes time for a kid to "get" it. Some of these players want to move to the front of the line right out of high school but don't necessarily understand that they have to work to get there. Maybe he is finally starting to do the things necessary to be productive on the field. The talent is there... hopefully he understands how to use that talent to be a better player.

 

[Irish#1]

Hopefully Long has been pounding on the table in every coaches meeting and every film session during the offseason and Spring practices about getting his TE's more targets.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

lol just look at his social media, it's obvious he craves positive reinforcement.

Are we talking about Aliz'e or Trump?

 

[BobbyMac]

Are we talking about Aliz'e or Trump?

NOPE! Take that garbage back over to the Propaganda & Politics section.