'15 LA OT/DT Jerry Tillery (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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The smoke is not good from Coney's fire. Hasn't been and no one is listening.
 
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NDCrusader said:
The smoke is not good from Coney's fire. Hasn't been and no one is listening.
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Most people have been speculating that he was leaning toward leaving for over a month. This is not some revelation that no one was listening to...it's actually common knowledge.
 
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Luckylucci said:
I definitely think he should come back, but food for thought. Jerry ended the year with 52 tackles, 8.5 TFL's, and 4 Sacks.

Below is the top 8 DT prospects, per Walter Football, for the 2018 Draft. (As of Nov. 18th.)

D. Payne 45 tkls. 1 TFL's, 1 sack
C. Wilkins 52 tkls, 9 TFL's, 5 sacks
V. Vea 37 tkls, 5.5 TFL's, 3.5 sacks
T. Bryan 37 tkls, 6 TFL's, 4 sacks
M. Hurst 58 tkls, 13 TFL's, 5.5 sacks
D. Jones 20 tkls, 5 TFL's, 1 sack
T. Thompson 33 tkls, 3 TFL's, 0 sacks
D. Nnadi 51 tkls. 9 TFL's, 3.5 sacks

So, out of the top 8 DT's (per Walter football), there are only 2 that have better production this year, and some it's not even close.

Now some of this is position bias, I get it. But he was quite productive.
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Bump this since it came up in Coney's thread. For example, Christian Wilkins after 14 games ended the season with 60 tackles, 9 TFL's, and 5 sacks. This is to Jerry's 56, 9, and 4.5 through 13 games.
 
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Luckylucci said:
Bump this since it came up in Coney's thread. For example, Christian Wilkins after 14 games ended the season with 60 tackles, 9 TFL's, and 5 sacks. This is to Jerry's 56, 9, and 4.5 through 13 games.
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So he had really good production and could be a top 10 DT and get drafted in 4th-6th round, correct? Or he could come back with insurance and work to increase his stock and be one of the top 3 DTs off the board.

Really think it makes sense for him to come back.
 
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Veritate Duce Progredi said:
So he had really good production and could be a top 10 DT and get drafted in 4th-6th round, correct? Or he could come back with insurance and work to increase his stock and be one of the top 3 DTs off the board.

Really think it makes sense for him to come back.
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Well, what you're are clearly not taking into account is the difference between being a top 3 DT or being the 6th DT off the board. Which there could be a full round/round and 1/2 between the 6th and 10th.

At this point, I think he should come back, but his production number reflect he's in a better position than some think.

Your post saying top 10 DT and being a 4th to 6th round pick is automatically assuming he's no better than the 10th DT on that list.
 
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Luckylucci said:
Well, what you're are clearly not taking into account is the difference between being a top 3 DT or being the 6th DT off the board. Which there could be a full round/round and 1/2 between the 6th and 10th.

At this point, I think he should come back, but his production number reflect he's in a better position than some think.

Your post saying top 10 DT and being a 4th to 6th round pick is automatically assuming he's no better than the 10th DT on that list.
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Actually, I was assuming he would be taken on the lower end: 7th-10th. How many DTs are drafted in a given year? How many go in the first 4 rounds?
 
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Just looked:

There were 10 taken last year in the first 4 rounds, 3 being the last three picks of the 4th round.

21 total were taken, not sure how many signed. The other thing to look at is technique/preparedness for the NFL. Tillery could take one more year to physically mature (since he's young for his grade, right?). That would set him up for better longevity, one would think.

I'm not speaking in absolutes, I'm speaking of playing the percentages.
 
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Luckylucci said:
Bump this since it came up in Coney's thread. For example, Christian Wilkins after 14 games ended the season with 60 tackles, 9 TFL's, and 5 sacks. This is to Jerry's 56, 9, and 4.5 through 13 games.
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Difference is that all of those players have multiple years of quality production, while Tillery just has one.
 
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The number of DT's taken can fluctuate. 11 were taken last year in the first 4 rounds, the year before an astonishing 19 were taken in the first 4. 2015 only had 9, one of which was Sheldon Day (4th rounder).

That being said, Tillery shouldn't leave for a potential 4th round pick. He should set sights on a 3rd round worst-case and an early one at that.

But his current stage of development and his lack of multi-year production will give pause to teams thinking about using a high round pick.
 
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IrishLax said:
He's was leaning towards staying before Elko left. Coney I'd say is like 70/30 leaning towards leaving. There's a lot of conflicting stuff out there, but if it was a done deal they were leaving we'd know.
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The longer this goes the better for us IMO.
 
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That’s great. It will allow the younger guys to develop with less pressure. He’ll have a big year next year.


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An example of a kid that ND needs.

Tremendous talent on the field.
And even greater student/member of the ND community.

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Mel Kipers top 5 draft prospects by position Jerry is #2 senior DT


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