'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[IrishLion]

So not having bad expectations makes one unhappy?

I knew Gant wasn't coming to ND, and that the Packers weren't drafting Kizer. I'm happy

No one said that. I just asked NDgradstudent why he's always so miserable, if the key to happiness is coming to terms with the reality that ND won't win a championship.

He seems to be resigned to the fact that ND won't win anything, and therefore he should be our most positive poster by his own belief system... and yet, he's constantly spouting negativity anyway.

I'm just not wrong about things.

Blake Barnett = Notre Dame Man

 

[koonja]

No one said that. I just asked NDgradstudent why he's always so miserable, if the key to happiness is coming to terms with the reality that ND won't win a championship.

He seems to be resigned to the fact that ND won't win anything, and therefore he should be our most positive poster by his own belief system... and yet, he's constantly spouting negativity anyway.



Blake Barnett = Notre Dame Man

I was using implied italics. As the captain of the implied italics team, you should know that.

 

[NDgradstudent]

So not having bad expectations makes one unhappy?

I knew Gant wasn't coming to ND, and that the Packers weren't drafting Kizer. I'm happy, I'm just not wrong about things.

No, it is

happiness = reality - expectations

Suppose each of these is measured 0 to 10, 10 being the best. So if I have high (10) expectations for ND football this year, and the reality is 7, I get this:

7 - 10 = -3

That's not good! So I'll lower my expectations to 0. Then I get

7 - 0 = 7

That's much better. Even if the reality ends up better than 7, I am protected by having low expectations. And this measurement isn't supposed to precisely correlate with wins, but even there, 7 might be a number of think about...

 

[woolybug25]

No, it is

happiness = reality - expectations

Suppose each of these is measured 0 to 10, 10 being the best. So if I have high (10) expectations for ND football this year, and the reality is 7, I get this:

7 - 10 = -3

That's not good! So I'll lower my expectations to 0. Then I get

7 - 0 = 7

That's much better. Even if the reality ends up better than 7, I am protected by having low expectations. And this measurement isn't supposed to precisely correlate with wins, but even there, 7 might be a number of think about...

Of course in your black and white world you could wrap up a topic as nuanced as happiness into an equation. I know this might sound crazy... but some people may have high expectations, fall short of them, and still enjoy the ride.

Sad little world you live in.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Really? That is what you got... Sorry, point stands and I will be more careful about word choice (just got through finals, so cut me some slack).

It was a joke but wouldn't have worked if I played it too heavy. I was just poking fun at your incorrect word. I'm so sorry about your finals but just think about this: if you did well enough, you may earn a highly competitive, high-paying job and you can look forward to every week being like finals. Huzzah!

 

[NDgradstudent]

Of course in your black and white world you could wrap up a topic as nuanced as happiness into an equation. I know this might sound crazy... but some people may have high expectations, fall short of them, and still enjoy the ride.

Sad little world you live in.

Some people ain't me...

I think that is actually pretty good advice for managing expectations and proportioning your belief to the evidence. Err on the side of lower expectations to avoid disappointment. Most people I know do that.

Sad world? Happy world! Why have huge expectations about things that are out of your control?

 

[woolybug25]

Some people ain't me...

I think that is actually pretty good advice for managing expectations and proportioning your belief to the evidence. Err on the side of lower expectations to avoid disappointment. Most people I know do that.

Sad world? Happy world! Why have huge expectations about things that are out of your control?

I don't even mean "sad" as an insult, I mean it genuinely. Life is a weird nuanced experience you get to do once and you seem incapable of hope, anticipation or dreams. You are literal, unemotional and frankly... cruel. You seemingly are incapable of seeing the best in people, dreaming big or positive reinforcement of your beliefs. You're a worker bee, if you will.... and I think that's sad.

 

[NDgradstudent]

I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but I'm curious as to whom you would have hired to replace Kelly last year. Assuming that Saban/Meyer would not have left for all of the money Malpass could throw at them. I'll take an answer via PM if you'd prefer

I think there are several realistic hires who would have been worth the risk. These include Les Miles, Larry Fedora, P.J. Fleck, Kyle Whittingham, Gary Patterson, and Bryan Harsin.

 

[Dizzyphil]

No, it is

happiness = reality - expectations

Suppose each of these is measured 0 to 10, 10 being the best. So if I have high (10) expectations for ND football this year, and the reality is 7, I get this:

7 - 10 = -3

That's not good! So I'll lower my expectations to 0. Then I get

7 - 0 = 7

That's much better. Even if the reality ends up better than 7, I am protected by having low expectations. And this measurement isn't supposed to precisely correlate with wins, but even there, 7 might be a number of think about...

So by your rationale, if one does not have high expectations, dog $hit is a great Christmas gift if expectations = 0 on a scale of what to expect at Christmas????

 

[NDgradstudent]

I don't even mean "sad" as an insult, I mean it genuinely. Life is a weird nuanced experience you get to do once and you seem incapable of hope, anticipation or dreams. You are literal, unemotional and frankly... cruel. You seemingly are incapable of seeing the best in people, dreaming big or positive reinforcement of your beliefs. You're a worker bee, if you will.... and I think that's sad.

I would be more cautious about making claims about the whole of someone's life by the way he discusses sports on an internet forum.

Getting things done in the world often requires being unemotional and distant. It sometimes requires seeing the worst in people. I'm not a fan of false hope, either.

My hope is in my faith, as I say when I pray these words (which are also ND's motto). Part of my faith is that the world is fallen, and that from the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made. I'm not a Calvinist, so I don't believe in total depravity. But I still believe in depravity.

And with that, and having derailed this thread enough, I rest my case.

 

[IrishLion]

I think there are several realistic hires who would have been worth the risk. These include Les Miles, Larry Fedora, P.J. Fleck, Kyle Whittingham, Gary Patterson, and Bryan Harsin.

Miles is basically Brian Kelly. I would even venture that he would be a downgrade for a few reasons, though I'm not totally sure.

Fedora? Meh. I would need some warming up to the idea. Not sure he's worth a change from BK yet. Has he actually won anything?

Fleck: Yes. I'm behind that. But there are issues that ND isn't, and probably never will be.

Whittingham: Basically BK again. When things are going well, he beats the teams he should, but doesn't win the BIG ONE

Patterson: Yes. Don't think he'd come to ND, though.

Harsin: I'd rather give Mike Sanford Jr. a shot first, but maybe in a year or so?

 

[NDgradstudent]

So by your rationale, if one does not have high expectations, dog $hit is a great Christmas gift if expectations = 0 on a scale of what to expect at Christmas????

In that case, reality = 0, I would say. So it would be

0 - 0 = 0.

So no, it wouldn't be a great Christmas gift. But you would be even more upset if you expected a new car and got dog sh-t.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Miles is basically Brian Kelly. I would even venture that he would be a downgrade for a few reasons, though I'm not totally sure.

Fedora? Meh. I would need some warming up to the idea. Not sure he's worth a change from BK yet. Has he actually won anything?

Fleck: Yes. I'm behind that. But there are issues that ND isn't, and probably never will be.

Whittingham: Basically BK again. When things are going well, he beats the teams he should, but doesn't win the BIG ONE

Patterson: Yes. Don't think he'd come to ND, though.

Harsin: I'd rather give Mike Sanford Jr. a shot first, but maybe in a year or so?

I'll address this in the BK revisited thread.

 

[woolybug25]

I would be more cautious about making claims about the whole of someone's life by the way he discusses sports on an internet forum.

Getting things done in the world often requires being unemotional and distant. It sometimes requires seeing the worst in people. I'm not a fan of false hope, either.

My hope is in my faith, as I say when I pray these words (which are also ND's motto). Part of my faith is that the world is fallen, and that from the crooked timber of humanity no straight thing was ever made. I'm not a Calvinist, so I don't believe in total depravity. But I still believe in depravity.

And with that, and having derailed this thread enough, I rest my case.

Well, you weren't discussing sports, nor do the majority of your posting are about sports, but I digress.

Like I said... it's not an insult, nor am I trying to berate you. Just stating what most on here think of you. Hide behind your faith or Calvinism or whatever. But I doubt you have some intrinsic understanding of Catholicism that truly justifies your myopic, negative, and cruel outlook on life that other posters don't understand. Whiskey, Vuce, etc are some of the most positive people I know and they are arguably more understanding of the Catholic doctrine than you.

Do you man... but I honestly hope you can broaden your horizons one day. You miss some of the best things we have in this world.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Kizer met with the media:

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The FB comments are very positive, if you click on the post. That is unusual for Browns fans. One guy even predicted 8-8 if Kizer starts! Lol let's not go nuts.

 

[dang227]

Word in the Cleveland sports media is that Kizer looks pretty good and is a quick learner.


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[SoIll]

Took all first team reps today

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm still of the mindset that he's got the potential to be a really good QB. Last year he seemed to be pressing at times, as it seemed like everything around him was falling apart. Now, that's not a good quality but it's certainly one he can work on. Controlling what he can, until he's good enough to control more.

 

[woolybug25]

The FB comments are very positive, if you click on the post. That is unusual for Browns fans. One guy even predicted 8-8 if Kizer starts! Lol let's not go nuts.

 

[dang227]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/06/deshone_kizer_is_in_the_mold_o.html


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[ACamp1900]

I still say there are two likely scenarios here:

1.) Kess or Brock steps up, grabs the role by the horns, the Browns start winning and DK sits the bench.

2.) No one steps up, the Browns suck all year, have another top draft pick in a QB heavy draft next year, they take a top QB, and DK sits the bench.

Only way I see starting success is for his Browns career to play out exactly like his ND one, starter gets hurt, he gets one shot, and hits a home run. We will see.

 

[Old Man Mike]

My eyes told me for the last two years that Kizer had all of the tools and all of the upside to be a good-to-exceptional NFL QB.

I really liked the idea of him being able to sit a little and grow into that since he didn't let himself grow into it here.

now I'm worried that he'll go into the fire, the team will be mediocre-to-poor, he won't learn as much as he could have, and the understandably impatient (and un-understandably semi-crazed) Browns fans will screw him up somehow.

I'm hoping that that organization now is a bit more sane than the one who didn't, in my opinion, give Quinn enough of a chance, or surrounding tools.

 

[ScooterIrish]

I still say there are two likely scenarios here:

1.) Kess or Brock steps up, grabs the role by the horns, the Browns start winning and DK sits the bench.

2.) No one steps up, the Browns suck all year, have another top draft pick in a QB heavy draft next year, they take a top QB, and DK sits the bench.

Only way I see starting success is for his Browns career to play out exactly like his ND one, starter gets hurt, he gets one shot, and hits a home run. We will see.

LOL wut? This is a really bad post. You don't see see a scenario where a rookie QB develops into a good QB? You think Kess or Brock could actually start winning?

 

[GBdomer]

Also Browns have a pretty darn good offensive line and that will help out Kizer.

 

[dublinirish]

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[FightingIrishLover7]

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[CraigKrenzel]

DeShone Kizer ahead of where Hue Jackson thought he'd be: Browns quarterback competition recap | cleveland.com

 

[Greenore]

DeShone Kizer ahead of where Hue Jackson thought he'd be: Browns quarterback competition recap | cleveland.com

Love him... always will appreciate his time at Notre Dame. He seems to rise to the occasion/pressure. Hope he gets a chance to grow a bit with the Browns. Would love to see him throw again to Fuller... that was an amazing combo. Cheers!

 

[dang227]

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/08/deshone_kizer_moves_closer_to.html

 

[Greenore]

DeShone Kizer moves closer to being named starter for preseason opener: Browns quarterback competition recap | cleveland.com

I'm confused... is this good or bad? If he is there, he is there, but hoped he would have had more time to develop with the Dawgs. Consensus was that he needed another season at ND after getting tossed into the fray and here we are... again. Cheers!