'14 OH QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame Signee)

[eNDzone]

If you like NFL football answer this question. Would you think your team was nuts for wasting a 1st round draft pick on Kizer? Bear fans; I understand if you think maybe it wouldn't be nuts.

 

[ulukinatme]

I wouldn't mind a reset set switch for next year. Wherever Kizer goes, I think he needs that speedy receiver to take the top off the defense.

 

[GoIrish41]

I wouldn't mind a reset set switch for next year. Wherever Kizer goes, I think he needs that speedy receiver to take the top off the defense.

I want Wimbush to be the QB next year even if Kizer stays. Kizer was better before he became the most experienced QB with the team on his back. I would not have imagined saying this last year, but being the ND QB just seems too big for him. Wimbush has better athletic tools and I want the best guys on the field, no matter what.

 

[bluengold4732]

He was getting the "Cam Newton" treatment from the refs tonight...maybe a #1 overall pick in the NFL draft is in his future...

 

[NDFan78]

I agree, I hope Kizer goes pro and wish him the best.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Right now, if you were Kizer parents or trusted advisor would you say come back to this dumpster fire of a program? A coach can't coach on D or O right now. Our special teams are horrid. Couldn't beat good teams last year and can't beat really anybody this year.

Get your degree and go get your money. Great kid, and has a huge upside. But, Brian Kelly can't get him ready for the NFL. He now has regressed under BK. I would advise him to get his degree and go to the NFL.

 

[IrishLax]

If you like NFL football answer this question. Would you think your team was nuts for wasting a 1st round draft pick on Kizer? Bear fans; I understand if you think maybe it wouldn't be nuts.

To me, he's more of a 5th round project than a 1st round pick. I've been skeptical on the hype since Duke. NFL QBs that are successful throw with anticipation and accuracy into tight windows. Accuracy and timing rules all. And he hasn't shown the ability to do that really ever. So I'm not sure why anyone would have him high in their draft board.

 

[stlnd01]

Get your degree and go get your money. Great kid, and has a huge upside. But, Brian Kelly can't get him ready for the NFL. He now has regressed under BK. I would advise him to get his degree and go to the NFL.

For one thing, Kizer's not going to get his degree this year. He's a true junior and he didn't EE. Got some work to do yet in the classroom.

Also: He's got a lot of work to do on the field before he's NFL ready. Physically he's got all the tools, but he still makes way too many mistakes. Bad throws and missed receivers. Faulty mechanics. Some bad reads. And he tucks and runs so much he'll get his head taken off in the NFL. Almost happened today.

I know all the mocks have him going high. But I think they seriously overrate players from big-name programs like Notre Dame in the name of clicks. Especially high profile players. Realistically, he feels like a third or fourth round pick at best. That might actually be good for him in the long run (rather than going in the top ten to a bad team that needs him to play in week four). But he can do better with another year in college, especially with a receiving corps that will almost certainly be better next year.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

I disagree. He is a 1st or second round pick. I think he was coached very badly. He is tall, strong, fast, and a big arm. I think he can be more accurate with better coaching. He is very tough, doesn't back down to pressure. He hasn't been successful in all those pressure situations. But, there has been more reasons for that---not all on him.

If he comes out, I bet he is a 1st rounder. 2nd at the least. Paxton freaking Lynch was a 1st rounder. He had issues all over the place. Cody Kessler. Heck Shawn Manion and GarrettmGrayson were both 3rd rounders.

Kizer is better than all of those. He will be a 1st or 2nd rounder. He will also interview flipping awesome. Not saying is is a great QB here, but a lot of that is on his head coach and Sanford. They are made him worse than last year.

 

[stlnd01]

Not saying is is a great QB here, but a lot of that is on his head coach and Sanford. They are made him worse than last year.

Nah. They put more on him this year, in terms of reads and audibles and a more sophisticated playbook. He hasn't handled it as well, but that's going to be the expectation on Sunday. No NFL team is going to protect him with an intro playbook. Also he doesn't have a WR the caliber of Will Fuller to throw to.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Stind01, good points. But, I disagree. He is further along than you give him credit for. Remember, he is asked to do a lot of this by BK and Sanford. But, 3rd or 4th rounder---NO WAY.

Just look at the last couple of drafts. No way he goes in the 4th. NO WAY.


Shawn Mannion 3rd
Garrett Grayson 3rd
Paxton Lynch 1st
Bryce Petty 4th
Derek Carr 2nd
Teddy Bridgewater 1st
Jimmy Grappolo 2nd
Jacoby Brissett 3rd
Cody Kessler 3rd

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Understand, but I also remember tons of plays he had made when other things have happened.

Save these forum posts, and wait till after the draft. He won't be selected lower than the 2nd round. If people think 4th or 5th they haven't looked at the draft at all.

He has far more talent than Manion, Grayson, Petty, Brissett, Kessler. And here he has played in a far more pressurized situation here at ND.

Like I said, I think the coaches did a horrible job with him. Just look at how our QBs have progressed under BK. How did Everett do? How about Malik? How about Tommy? How about Andrew? How about himself? Track record shows that BK has done a crappy job in getting his QB's ready here at ND. So, I disagree. He has missed WR's, he has missed reads.
has been inaccurate, etc.

How about our oline this year? How is our running game going? How are our WR's doing in getting open? But, it is on Kizer's reads. Is the wrong offense being run. The problem is far bigger than Kizer. Zaire is worse too. Like I said our running game is pathetic, and our WR's are average at best. It is the total package of problems.

We can agree to disagree on this. But, I will say I do understand your points. They have merit.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not saying he'll be picked in the 5th round I'm saying that's how I'd grade him. He'll obviously be picked much higher than that.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Ok LAX, I can understand that. I still think there are other issues there. He is surely not exempt from the problem. The bigger problem is BK, oline, play calling, and overall training and preparation.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

On a happier note, Amy Rohrer from the lady Irish Cross Country team placed 3rd overall, and only 4 seconds off the win. And that would have been the 2nd National win in row for the Lady Irish. Molly Seidel won the National Championship Last year. The women got 11th overall finish.

 

[ulukinatme]

Understand, but I also remember tons of plays he had made when other things have happened.

Save these forum posts, and wait till after the draft. He won't be selected lower than the 2nd round. If people think 4th or 5th they haven't looked at the draft at all.

He has far more talent than Manion, Grayson, Petty, Brissett, Kessler. And here he has played in a far more pressurized situation here at ND.

Like I said, I think the coaches did a horrible job with him. Just look at how our QBs have progressed under BK. How did Everett do? How about Malik? How about Tommy? How about Andrew? How about himself? Track record shows that BK has done a crappy job in getting his QB's ready here at ND. So, I disagree. He has missed WR's, he has missed reads.
has been inaccurate, etc.

How about our oline this year? How is our running game going? How are our WR's doing in getting open? But, it is on Kizer's reads. Is the wrong offense being run. The problem is far bigger than Kizer. Zaire is worse too. Like I said our running game is pathetic, and our WR's are average at best. It is the total package of problems.

We can agree to disagree on this. But, I will say I do understand your points. They have merit.

Kelly needs to look at what worked for the defense this year when they removed BVG: they simplified the defense, and the defense responded. Maybe we need to do the same thing for the offense.

Looking at all those QBs above, some were successful their first year and then regressed the following year. What was a common theme? The offense was simple for the QBs in their first year and it didn't put a lot on the QB's shoulders. When the offense became all about the QB, the pressure crushed every one of them from Tommy to Golson to Kizer. To go along with that though, we need to make the running game a commitment to take that pressure off the QB.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Absolutely, we have to run the ball more and better. That is the bigger issue here. The oline hasn't done their job, play calling has been bad, there has been drops, our WR's are more on the average side than dynamic. I just can't pin all the issues on the QB here.

 

[NDbrbkny]

I saw when they took him out before the final play he was mad about getting hit someone was talkin smack if someone was lip reading what did he say?

 

[NorthDakota]

I saw when they took him out before the final play he was mad about getting hit someone was talkin smack if someone was lip reading what did he say?

It looked like he said "**** you B****" to someone. Nice to see some fire out of him.

 

[NorthDakota]

Kelly needs to look at what worked for the defense this year when they removed BVG: they simplified the defense, and the defense responded. Maybe we need to do the same thing for the offense.

Looking at all those QBs above, some were successful their first year and then regressed the following year. What was a common theme? The offense was simple for the QBs in their first year and it didn't put a lot on the QB's shoulders. When the offense became all about the QB, the pressure crushed every one of them from Tommy to Golson to Kizer. To go along with that though, we need to make the running game a commitment to take that pressure off the QB.

Agreed. Kelly is a baller at making offenses run well with a new qb. I don't want the offense to be simple, those offenses get shut down eventually. I do want him to maybe be more careful about how much he puts on their plate at once. That first year he seems to tailor to what they can do, and after that he expects them too much.

Still #TeamKelly

 

[rocket66]

To me, he's more of a 5th round project than a 1st round pick. I've been skeptical on the hype since Duke. NFL QBs that are successful throw with anticipation and accuracy into tight windows. Accuracy and timing rules all. And he hasn't shown the ability to do that really ever. So I'm not sure why anyone would have him high in their draft board.

Totally agree. All the hype happened during the Texas game for him, but we all see how Texas turned out. Meant nothing. He's regressed throughout the season.


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[NDBoiler]

It looked like he said "**** you B****" to someone. Nice to see some fire out of him.

I disagree. I saw him saying something back too, and to me that just reinforces the perception of him that he's a bit arrogant, which has been rumored before. Lack of class/leadership on his part. When you've played like crap the whole 2nd half and your team has blown a large lead, you don't have a whole lot of room to be running you mouth.

 

[ThePiombino]

Kizer will be just fine as an NFL QB so long as he doesn't go to a team that needs him to be the man day one. If he can be given the luxury of time to develop, no less than one full season - seeing nothing more than mop up duty, he'll have as good of a chance as any to be successful. He would benefit from an Aaron Rogers treatment, but I guess that ain't happening if he gets drafted ad the #1 or 2 QB...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

If Kelly returns and I were Kizer I would go to the NFL. If there is a new coach I would come back.

Brian Kelly needs to be shown the door. Did you hear me Jack!?


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[irisheyes]

It looked to me like the guy was apologizing for the hit.

 

[kmoose]

Totally agree. All the hype happened during the Texas game for him, but we all see how Texas turned out. Meant nothing. He's regressed throughout the season.


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I don't think he has regressed. I think he just hit his ceiling. I think that the coaches have been asking for a little bit more from him each week, and he just isn't capable of carrying the team like they would like him to. But what I think I most noticed yesterday, was that he seems to have happy feet in the pocket. He looks like he is physically leaning as the pocket develops, in anticipation of having to get out of Dodge. I think that's also why he is throwing off of his back foot so much more; he's getting rid of it as he bails out of the pocket.

 

[arrowryan]

Going #2 to San Francisco in the most recent Walter Football NFL mock draft

 

[ThePiombino]

Going #2 to San Francisco in the most recent Walter Football NFL mock draft

As a Niner fan, my thoughts are as follows:

Eh, fuck it. Why not?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

As a Niner fan, my thoughts are as follows:



Eh, fuck it. Why not?

Lmfao


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[BobbyMac]

As a Niner fan, my thoughts are as follows:

Eh, fuck it. Why not?

Lmfao


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You sorry chumps will have to prove just how bad you think you are a week from this Sunday in Chicago. Bears just lost both All Pro guards, #1 WR (joining #2 WR), QB (yay! He gone! - but leaves us with suck azz 3rd stringer) and our #1 draft pick got carted off the field strapped to a backboard. We are totally going to underscore your weak azzes!

So shut up and bring your D game. You're gonna need it!