<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All these young guys deciding to skip their bowl games ��.I would do anything to play one more time with my brothers in that scarlet and gray</p>— Ezekiel Elliott (@EzekielElliott) <a href="https://twitter.com/EzekielElliott/status/810892826611433472">December 19, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
'14 CO RB Christian McCaffrey (Stanford Verbal)
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zelezo vlk
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Should've been Blue & Gold...but really, he should play safety
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What next job does Christian McCaffrey have to go to? Whose playbook is he studying? Whose facility is he working out in? Which team is he doing promotional events for?
A better analogy would be:
Coach decides to skip bowl game to prepare for interview with another team? NOT OKAY AT ALL!
Player decides to skip bowl to prepare for the draft? NOT OKAY AT ALL!
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Sweet, he could of given up millions and returned for his senior season if he was willing "TO do anything!"
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Who's his agent? If he hasn't hired an agent, he's still eligible.
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Oh the hypocrisy.
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so under this statement, you believe Stanford could take him to court and get back his scholarship money?
Not sure I follow. What does hiring an agent have to do with graduating?
No you don't. Let's say ND had made a bowl game this year, would Malik be breaking his contract by transferring after the semester (before a bowl game)?
He can't possibly lack this amount of self-awareness, can he? This has to be a joke
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Yes
If this was the first game instead of the last game nobody would even debate that he should not be doing this. I don't know if he is doing something legally wrong because I don't know the language of his contract but I bet Stanford could get him to return money, yes. They never would though.
Well it happens pretty regularly, so I guess the lawyers have some work to do.
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Again, I would have to read the exact language of their agreements with the school, but assuming it does not excuse a player from playing in a bowl game it would in a literal sense be a violation of his contract. Schools have no incentive to actually take action on it though. Would be dumb for obvious reasons.
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He's on scholarship unless he hires an agent. He can say he's entering the draft and then change his mind as long as he doesn't hire an agent. Stanford being on quarters or semesters doesn't mean anything in this case. He's a junior, his scholarship is for the 2016-2017 academic year or 4 years or until he graduates (Depending how Stanford defines it). In any event, this is not the end of the year and he did not graduate so he's technically still on scholarship until he does one of the 3 things below...
1. He would have had to either graduate or...
2. Hire an agent or...
3. Not be enrolled for winter quarter in January to be no longer on, or eligible for scholarship.
Also, once you sign your original scholarship, you never resign again. It auto renews.
See above.
* Unless the NCAA has changed the documents and clerical aspect of scholarships. If anything, schools look as scholarships as a four year, comprehensive agreement where it used to be a series of one year agreements that they could terminate at any time.
Malik would have graduated. He fulfilled his agreement with ND. Easy to say when he's the back up. Had he been the starter... hell yeah he'd be breaking his commitment!
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Can you elaborate on how graduating changes anything related to that specific year? Why is a bowl game not considered an obligation of the player for that season?
A school provides at least 4 years of tuition-free schooling in exchange for the player playing in each one of those seasons. I am confused why the bowl game occurring after graduation changes that obligation.
Maybe I'm wrong here but I've always been under the impression that athletic scholarships are similar to academic scholarships in that they're centered around a semester/trimester/quarter, not a full academic year. If that's not the case the I'd admit he's breaking a contract, but would then argue that's a bad way to structure said contract. If scholarships are structured as I suspect, then he can just not enroll at Stanford for the winter quarter with no issues, right?
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The only time a scholarship is defined by the semester if its an ineligibility issue like GPA, credits earned or academic progress... or someone graduating mid year. If you are academically eligible, you do not have to re-up your scholarship ever again after your first signing before freshman year.
Yes in regards to not enrolling. He must be enrolled by the last day to register date in the next term. Stanford might fill out paperwork early and have him sign a release so that they may use his scholarship for another player next term like a walk on or a grad transfer(?) I'm not sure how that works for football scholarships at programs on quarters.
Interesting, thanks for the explanation. Can he choose to not enroll this quarter w/o breaking his contract, or is that a decision that can be made only on Stanford's end? Or do we just not know?
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Lol yeah that was pretty dumb for him to tweet.
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Him not enrolling for classes officially breaks the agreement. He has every legal right to do that as I understand it. But what's right, what's best, and what's legal are often times 3 different things.
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His teammates will...
Maybe things have changed, but not something I could look my dad in the eye, and see approval. This decision impacts too many other people, and there are risk mitigation avenues available through insurance...so, this mentality is foreign to me.
Many of his teammates have already come out in strong support of his decision. If you're not happy for a teammate who worked his entire life to make a dream happen and is now taking the final step in realizing that dream, you're a shitty teammate. I'm sure Jaylon was thrilled about having to discuss the loss of $20M with his dad over a meaningless game.
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I liken this to taking a new job and not giving at least a 2 week's notice. No, you don't have to legally, and it'd be better for you personally if you just left and recharged the batteries and/or prepared for the new job. But you don't do that because it's shitty.
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Kind of like taking a company's benefits when you know you're actually on your way out...
Not illegal, but morally questionable.
Not sure if Koon's work education benefits, or McCaffrey leaving early.
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A company of 200K employees is well aware of, and can change the policy at the flick of the pen with no argument if they don't want people to leave right after finishing school.
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I'm not denying that, but it doesn't change the irony of your viewpoint lol
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It'd be ironic maybe if they were related. Companies have FULL control and 100% say in their tuition reimbursement policy. 80% have a stipulation that you have to stay a certain time after. Verizon just doesn't care if you leave, it's a simple as that.
Universally, companies care if you leave without a notice.