'14 AZ QB Kyle Allen (Houston Transfer)

[Irish YJ]

Assuming the kid has the talent everyone thought he did, very nice pick up for TCU if true.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Assuming the kid has the talent everyone thought he did, very nice pick up for TCU if true.

He's got talent but he's got to get his head right. He's got a horrible work ethic. Sumlin didn't even want to start him bc he was so apathetic in meetings and what not, but Allen wasn't ready and. Hill's talent got him through.

But when teams caught up to him, and he started to struggle, the wheels came off, culminating in a suspension by Sumlin.

TCU is the obvious choice, but he better grow up if he wants to succeed there.

 

[Irish YJ]

He's got talent but he's got to get his head right. He's got a horrible work ethic. Sumlin didn't even want to start him bc he was so apathetic in meetings and what not, but Allen wasn't ready and. Hill's talent got him through.

But when teams caught up to him, and he started to struggle, the wheels came off, culminating in a suspension by Sumlin.

TCU is the obvious choice, but he better grow up if he wants to succeed there.

Is TCU as Christian as their name suggests? Might be a good move for a mixed up kid.

 

[BobbyMac]

I thought this was going to be a... 'Kyle Allen to transfer also' update. As I was loading the thread I was thinking, Kyler Murray is a bad man to run of two QB's.

To be honest, Allen might be smart to get out of Dodge too. I saw him multiple times in high school and from that and the two games I've watched Murray play for Allen, There is little doubt in my mind Murray will take over this program no later than his 2nd year if not sooner.

 

[Cali_domer]

Is TCU as Christian as their name suggests? Might be a good move for a mixed up kid.

INO

 

[#1rish]

I thought this was going to be a... 'Kyle Allen to transfer also' update. As I was loading the thread I was thinking, Kyler Murray is a bad man to run of two QB's.

To be honest, Allen might be smart to get out of Dodge too. I saw him multiple times in high school and from that and the two games I've watched Murray play for Allen, There is little doubt in my mind Murray will take over this program no later than his 2nd year if not sooner.

I was just thinking the same thing. The battle between pro-style Allen and Murray will be interesting. You have to think Sumlin is going to give Murray a real good look since he's a dual-threat.

 

[BobbyMac]

I was just thinking the same thing. The battle between pro-style Allen and Murray will be interesting. You have to think Sumlin is going to give Murray a real good look since he's a dual-threat.

I can't see Allen holding Murray off next year. Murray's stat line last year was a football version of Wilt Chamberlain and he did it in a 6A Dallas Texas school area while going 14-0 with another state championship.

 

[dublinirish]

Former A&M QB Kyle Allen in Houston Sunday to meet with Tom Herman « CBS Houston

 

[rtrn2glory]

Herman prolly won't be there by the time he's eligible to play

 

[Sweetness34]

Herman will keep that job until Urban leaves OSU.

 

[dublinirish]

Herman will keep that job until Urban leaves OSU.

if he continues the path he is on, he will get dozens of suitors next year. a bunch of cash might tempt him if he gets impatient waiting for urbie to leave OSU

 

[T Town Tommy]

if he continues the path he is on, he will get dozens of suitors next year. a bunch of cash might tempt him if he gets impatient waiting for urbie to leave OSU

If Sumlin tanks next year, Herman may be in line for the Aggie job. Don't know Sumlin's buyout but at some point he either improves or he doesn't. I think next season will be his defining season as Aggie HC. If Murray walks away for baseball, Sumlin and the Aggies may be in for a long year.

 

[dublinirish]

If Sumlin tanks next year, Herman may be in line for the Aggie job. Don't know Sumlin's buyout but at some point he either improves or he doesn't. I think next season will be his defining season as Aggie HC. If Murray walks away for baseball, Sumlin and the Aggies may be in for a long year.

yeah i have a feeling sumlin's days are numbered. The Allen-Murray fiasco was a disaster. Unless Myles Garrett goes HAM every game next year they are in for a long season

 

[JD Irish]

I hope our staff paid attention to this debacle and has a plan for how to manage the situation with our QBs going forward.

 

[dublinirish]

I hope our staff paid attention to this debacle and has a plan for how to manage the situation with our QBs going forward.

our staff would never promise a 5 star QB immediate playing time and pander to the player's father like Sumlin did.

 

[IrishLion]

I hope our staff paid attention to this debacle and has a plan for how to manage the situation with our QBs going forward.

Different situations. I think our staff would be better served by studying how badly Urban messed up handling Jones/Barrett.

 

[JD Irish]

our staff would never promise a 5 star QB immediate playing time and pander to the player's father like Sumlin did.

I agree, but it is overall a very similar situation. We have three extremely talented quarterbacks, and two of them have significant starting experience (as well as overall experience within the program), have played very well, and have proven they can win. I really hope the loser of the Kizer-Zaire battle does not transfer, but given these circumstances, it is hard to see a player with those aforementioned attributes wanting to stick around after being passed over, given what each has already shown.

I think we are a much better team with both of them, even if just for depth.

 

[dublinirish]

I agree, but it is overall a very similar situation. We have three extremely talented quarterbacks, and two of them have significant starting experience (as well as overall experience within the program), have played very well, and have proven they can win. I really hope the loser of the Kizer-Zaire battle does not transfer, but given these circumstances, it is hard to see a player with those aforementioned attributes wanting to stick around after being passed over, given what each has already shown.

I think we are a much better team with both of them, even if just for depth.

all you can do is offer competition (if it is deserved) and then if the players who don't win the job decide to transfer then there's not much else you can do. I couldn't see Malik or DeShone transferring IMO they don't either seem like the Prima Donna type

 

[BobbyMac]

I thought this was going to be a... 'Kyle Allen to transfer also' update. To be honest, Allen might be smart to get out of Dodge too. I saw him multiple times in high school and from that and the two games I've watched Murray play for Allen, There is little doubt in my mind Murray will take over this program no later than his 2nd year if not sooner.

I can't see Allen holding Murray off next year. Murray's stat line last year was a football version of Wilt Chamberlain and he did it in a 6A Dallas Texas school area while going 14-0 with another state championship.

I hope I don't dislocate my shoulder while patting myself on the back.

Herman will keep that job until Urban leaves OSU.

He'll have a stop in between Houston and tOSU, IF tOSU is ever in his future. A&M is a logical next step, he's having mega success in the very region that Sumlin is struggling in.

if he continues the path he is on, he will get dozens of suitors next year. a bunch of cash might tempt him if he gets impatient waiting for urbie to leave OSU

One thing you guys have to keep in mind when it comes to the Herman to tOSU thinking... Yes, he's from Cincy, yes he was on tOSU's staff for a couple of years but the rest of his coaching career was spent IN Texas besides a couple of years at Iowa St where he was still in the Big 12 and depending on Texas for recruits. Ultimately it's his choice if he gets to that level as a commodity but A&M or UT given his career background are definitely in the same tier as tOSU when it comes to jobs.

If Sumlin tanks next year, Herman may be in line for the Aggie job. Don't know Sumlin's buyout but at some point he either improves or he doesn't. I think next season will be his defining season as Aggie HC. If Murray walks away for baseball, Sumlin and the Aggies may be in for a long year.

If Houston rolls next year while A&M and UT don't... Herman's agent will have a field day playing those two against each other.


Lastly, here's an interesting connection to ND with this talk of Herman and Houston. Houston's Chairman of the Board of Regents is Tilman Fetitta. He is an even wealthier cousin of Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta. He's the owner of the Landry Restaurant empire that owns a bunch of places you've eaten at and also the Golden Nugget Casino's. He is dead set on getting Houston into the Big 12 and has already given Herman a big raise. It isn't entirely impossible for Tom Herman to be in south Texas what Howard Schnellenberger was to south Florida. All it takes is money and quality recruits and Houston checks both those boxes with a Sharpie.

 

[dad4aa]

I agree, but it is overall a very similar situation. We have three extremely talented quarterbacks, and two of them have significant starting experience (as well as overall experience within the program), have played very well, and have proven they can win. I really hope the loser of the Kizer-Zaire battle does not transfer, but given these circumstances, it is hard to see a player with those aforementioned attributes wanting to stick around after being passed over, given what each has already shown.

I think we are a much better team with both of them, even if just for depth.

Not sure I would say Zaire has significant starting experience. He started 3 games, including the bowl game where he essentially split time with Golson. He has thrown a TOTAL of 75 passes in his career. Comparing that to Kizer who has started 10 games and thrown 298 passes, I would say one of them has significant experience. Think it is a moot point anyway as they will both (along with Wimbush) have to try and earn the position in spring and fall ball.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I hope I don't dislocate my shoulder while patting myself on the back.

Not sure how closely you followed A&M this year, but after frosh Murray won the job, he promptly lost it right back to Kyle Allen after throwing 5 picks in 2 games, and Allen finished as the starter. And most A&M fans had Allen as the projected starter next year, especially because Murray will spend the spring playing baseball.

It's a weird situation, no doubt.

 

[Luckylucci]

Not sure how closely you followed A&M this year, but after frosh Murray won the job, he promptly lost it right back to Kyle Allen after throwing 5 picks in 2 games, and Allen finished as the starter. And most A&M fans had Allen as the projected starter next year, especially because Murray will spend the spring playing baseball.

It's a weird situation, no doubt.

In reading up on McCulloch's recruitment at A&M sites, I also ran into a lot about Allen's transfer. This is most certainly not something A&M fans wanted. Like you said, a lot of folks view him as the best QB option. They think Sumlin has lost complete control of the program and he's on his way out.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

So sumlin has a QB run the show do as he pleases Johnny, has a guy come out blazin hot next year in first few games(dont recall what happened after)he transfers, messes with qbs again the next year-fails. Why do ppl think he should be a wanted man for other jobs? Why on earth would any QB commit to him unless desperate

 

[Luckylucci]

So sumlin has a QB run the show do as he pleases Johnny, has a guy come out blazin hot next year in first few games(dont recall what happened after)he transfers, messes with qbs again the next year-fails. Why do ppl think he should be a wanted man for other jobs? Why on earth would any QB commit to him unless desperate

I think this is what people are starting to realize. He might be in over his head and not quite the guy they thought he was. Obviously Johnny M brought him a lot of hype and now folks are trying to determine whether he's a legit HC or not.

 

[BobbyMac]

Why on earth would any QB commit to him unless desperate

Ask this guy...

 

[BobbyMac]

So where does Allen land?

Oklahoma is perfect on paper. ASU is 20 minutes from the house.
I heard Cal mentioned from a Scottsdale buddy. Met with Herman yesterday.

I gotta go with OU. It all fits. Scheme, Mayfield leaves next year and his best friend is the TE.

 

[Irish#1]

I hope I don't dislocate my shoulder while patting myself on the back.

BenGay on its way.

He'll have a stop in between Houston and tOSU, IF tOSU is ever in his future. A&M is a logical next step, he's having mega success in the very region that Sumlin is struggling in.

This is a more likely scenario as I don't see Urbie leaving that soon.

Ultimately it's his choice if he gets to that level as a commodity but A&M or UT given his career background are definitely in the same tier as tOSU when it comes to jobs.

I'll give you UT, but A&M is not in the same tier. A&M is a school that has a history of being a decent team most years with an occasional bump up for a year or two, then they level back off.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Ask this guy...

Who is he, maybe I'll ask

 

[BobbyMac]

Who is he, maybe I'll ask

Tate Martell

 

[dublinirish]

seemingly Allen is leaning towards Houston