'13 OH QB Malik Zaire (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[Whiskeyjack]

I still think Malik is a victim of circumstance. Our running game blows this year, it's clearly a step back. Adams is averaging over 2 yards less a carry than last year. Folston doesn't appear to have the same spring in his step, he's averaging under 4 yards a carry. Dexter has had the highest average among the backs, but he also has few carries and isn't as complete as the other two. The running game isn't necessarily sufferring because of the backs though, a lot of this is on the OL.

The running game is such a big part of Malik's strength, but right now our running game sucks. To compound the issue, I'm not sure why we continued to run into the teeth of the defense with Malik in at QB against Texas. If the defense didn't respect his arm, why didn't we have him come out and throw it? It's not like Zaire is completely inept at throwing the ball, he's more than serviceable. People have also said "If Kizer can change the play at the line, why can't Malik?" Sure, that's fair, but again...why were ever calling repeated running plays in the first place after it became painfully obvious Texas was lining up to stop the run while Malik was in? Poor play calling, or maybe they were setting him up to fail to ensure a smooth transition for Kizer? /tinfoilhat

Seems like we're telegraphing our running plays, which is allowing opposing defenses to easily anticipate and stuff them. Kelly's offense is predicated on balance and taking what the opposing defense gives him. But if the other team is able to anticipate when we'll run, everything falls apart.

So I don't think putting Malik in would jump-start our ground game. Quite the opposite (as we saw against Texas). Now that also means that Malik's poor showing against UT likely wasn't all his fault. But he's not nearly the passer that Kizer is, which means that--at least until we figure out how to stop telegraphing our running plays--he's not the answer to our current offensive problems.

 

[ulukinatme]

He pouted when he lost the job to EG and he is pouting now.. all off season I heard how great of a leader he is.. apparently only when times are good.. otherwise he is a whiner... I hope he transfers next year.. I was the BW era to start sooner than later

Pouting? Malik has been pretty patient with the process, at least till right now. He fought and wanted to be the starter when Golson came back, but he didn't cry about it when he didn't win the QB battle. He was very supportive of Kizer when he went down. He obviously seems pretty crushed right now, and his demeanor on the sideline Saturday definitely looked defeated, but at this point I wouldn't blame him. He's had to endure Rees as a redshirt, watch as Golson fumbled away 2014, gets injured in 2015 when he finally gets his chance, then benched for 2016 to the guy that replaced him and who he beat in the QB battle last spring. That's a tough career, and he's at the bottom of the hill at this point in college. It's probably hard to accept another year is wasted when you've been working and waiting 4 years for this.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Do they? If they did why wasnt Kizer the starter right out of the gate?

Because he didn't want Malik to transfer. And he apparently thought he'd have enough leeway against UT to hand 3 series to a less talented QB.

And to say Kelly has seen a helluva lot more than me means nothing to me at this point. Kelly also worked with BVG everyday and claimed he wasnt worried about our defense and that he was happy with it.

He's pretty clearly a hands-off HC when it comes to his defenses. Which has cost him and our program dearly this year. But that mistake doesn't suddenly give you equal standing to second guess his choices regarding our offense.

 

[ulukinatme]

Seems like we're telegraphing our running plays, which is allowing opposing defenses to easily anticipate and stuff them. Kelly's offense is predicated on balance and taking what the opposing defense gives him. But if the other team is able to anticipate when we'll run, everything falls apart.

So I don't think putting Malik in would jump-start our ground game. Quite the opposite (as we saw against Texas). Now that also means that Malik's poor showing against UT likely wasn't all his fault. But he's not nearly the passer that Kizer is, which means that--at least until we figure out how to stop telegraphing our running plays--he's not the answer to our current offensive problems.

Exactly. I'm not saying putting Zaire in would fix the running game. If anything it would probably make it worse. Zaire was incredibly successful when the running game was clicking and he was able to pass in limited quantities to keep them honest. If our running game blows overall it would only negatively affect Malik's game with Kizer being the better passer.

 

[Woneone]

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I didn't listen to the conference, but at first glance I read this as a switch of positions for him.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Seems like we're telegraphing our running plays, which is allowing opposing defenses to easily anticipate and stuff them. Kelly's offense is predicated on balance and taking what the opposing defense gives him. But if the other team is able to anticipate when we'll run, everything falls apart.

So I don't think putting Malik in would jump-start our ground game. Quite the opposite (as we saw against Texas). Now that also means that Malik's poor showing against UT likely wasn't all his fault. But he's not nearly the passer that Kizer is, which means that--at least until we figure out how to stop telegraphing our running plays--he's not the answer to our current offensive problems.

Not as easy for Kizer to flip in and out of running plays this year. The opposing safeties are not overly concerned with a deep threat which is making his job harder. I am actually quite surprised he has done as well passing as what he has. That said, Nevada, Duke and Texas looks to have some mundane defenses.

 

[irisheyes]

Because he didn't want Malik to transfer. And he apparently thought he'd have enough leeway against UT to hand 3 series to a less talented QB.

You base this off what? Malik was ranked in like the top 200 of his recruiting class and 6 as a dual threat qb. Was Kizer? Once again im not saying kizer is bad but i think Malik is better.

He's pretty clearly a hands-off HC when it comes to his defenses. Which has cost him and our program dearly this year. But that mistake doesn't suddenly give you equal standing to second guess his choices regarding our offense.

Ok so he doesnt watch his defense play out there?He turns his back when the defense is on the field? Because if he does then I could understand why he had no idea his defensive coordinator was so terrible. Based on what you just said he doesnt care about winning. Nd is 1-5 in their last 6 games. So based on what you're telling me I cant second guess a coach who doesnt watch his defense,and doesn't care about winning. Because to me that doesn't sound like a coach at all. 50% of the team is playing terrible and i cant second guess the head coach whos in his 7th year and supposed to be winning games?

 

[BobbyMac]

Because he didn't want Malik to transfer. And he apparently thought he'd have enough leeway against UT to hand 3 series to a less talented QB.

That's not true as stated. Transferring was not an option and was never considered regarding this season. Malik's more like you than the second rate quitter/whiner he's being portrayed as recently. He values that ND degree, the school and his ND family above all else. The Grad-Transfer rule will allow him to chase his pro-football dreams. No one should feel sorry for him. I don't. He had an audition and he didn't get the part. It happens. Reminds me of Wally Pip. As the story goes, Pip didn't feel well one day and Miller Huggins put in some kid named Gerhig who held on to 1st base for the next 2,130 games in a row.
What's left out of the story is Pip was one of the best 1st basemen in the league and was good enough to keep Gehrig on the bench the prior two seasons. He was then traded to the Reds the following year where he finished in the Top 10 or 20 in the MVP voting once again.

 

[Wild Bill]

I didn't listen to the conference, but at first glance I read this as a switch of positions for him.

Kelly's body language made it pretty clear, at least to me, MZ is the backup going into the game and the QB decision may have created division within the locker room.

This question and answer from today's presser...

Q. Lou Holtz was on a radio show this week where he said in his own times he had to look and probe closely to see if there was player dissension within the ranks, whether it's -- it can be taking sides on the quarterback or anything like that. Have you been able to gauge anything on that front?

Brian Kelly: We're 1-3. We're 1-3. Our players aren't that bad. Our coaches are pretty good coaches. I've been doing it for 27 years. Obviously, we're working through some things. We're working through some things and our guys are working through 'em. We're working through 'em, and we think we're going back in the right direction. So I think I've answered that question.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

You base this off what? Malik was ranked in like the top 200 of his recruiting class and 6 as a dual threat qb. Was Kizer? Once again im not saying kizer is bad but i think Malik is better.

When you compare Kizer's body of work to Zaire's, the former is clearly the superior QB. That was obvious before the first day of spring camp, and it was obvious throughout the UT game as well. I infer that Kelly insisted the two were neck-and-neck for so long and gave Zaire three series against UT because he wanted to keep Kizer motivated, and to keep Zaire engaged in case Kizer got injured.

Ok so he doesnt watch his defense play out there?He turns his back when the defense is on the field? Because if he does then I could understand why he had no idea his defensive coordinator was so terrible. Based on what you just said he doesnt care about winning. Nd is 1-5 in their last 6 games. So based on what you're telling me I cant second guess a coach who doesnt watch his defense,and doesn't care about winning. Because to me that doesn't sound like a coach at all. 50% of the team is playing terrible and i cant second guess the head coach whos in his 7th year and supposed to be winning games?

I asked you why you still thought that Zaire is better than Kizer, and pointed out that Kelly and Sanford (who have both seen way more of these two kids than you) obviously disagree. You retorted with "BVG something something so my opinion is as good as Kelly's," which is ridiculously illogical.

I don't think Zaire is a bad QB. With his combination of talent and experience, he's arguably one of the best back-up QBs in the country. But I don't think there's any evidence to argue that he's objectively better than Kizer right now.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's not true as stated. Transferring was not an option and was never considered regarding this season. Malik's more like you than the second rate quitter/whiner he's being portrayed as recently. He values that ND degree, the school and his ND family above all else. The Grad-Transfer rule will allow him to chase his pro-football dreams. No one should feel sorry for him. I don't. He had an audition and he didn't get the part. It happens. Reminds me of Wally Pip. As the story goes, Pip didn't feel well one day and Miller Huggins put in some kid named Gerhig who held on to 1st base for the next 2,130 games in a row.
What's left out of the story is Pip was one of the best 1st basemen in the league and was good enough to keep Gehrig on the bench the prior two seasons. He was then traded to the Reds the following year where he finished in the Top 10 or 20 in the MVP voting once again.

Apologies for the poor phrasing. Kelly didn't want Malik to check out. He needed to keep both QBs fully engaged for obvious reasons. In retrospect, that seems to be the most plausible explanation for why Kelly insisted on Zaire and Kizer being neck and neck, and why he gave Zaire three drives against a blue-blood opponent in prime time.

 

[IrishinSyria]

You base this off what? Malik was ranked in like the top 200 of his recruiting class and 6 as a dual threat qb. Was Kizer? Once again im not saying kizer is bad but i think Malik is better.

And yet you're asking Whisky "based on what?"

There is not a shred of evidence that Malik is a better/more talented QB than Kizer. It doesn't matter what scouting services said 3 or 4 years ago when we have game tape of them playing at the college level and Kelly's had years to watch them both in practice.

 

[Luckylucci]

I still think Malik is a victim of circumstance. Our running game blows this year, it's clearly a step back. Adams is averaging over 2 yards less a carry than last year. Folston doesn't appear to have the same spring in his step, he's averaging under 4 yards a carry. Dexter has had the highest average among the backs, but he also has few carries and isn't as complete as the other two. The running game isn't necessarily sufferring because of the backs though, a lot of this is on the OL.

The running game is such a big part of Malik's strength, but right now our running game sucks. To compound the issue, I'm not sure why we continued to run into the teeth of the defense with Malik in at QB against Texas. If the defense didn't respect his arm, why didn't we have him come out and throw it? It's not like Zaire is completely inept at throwing the ball, he's more than serviceable. People have also said "If Kizer can change the play at the line, why can't Malik?" Sure, that's fair, but again...why were ever calling repeated running plays in the first place after it became painfully obvious Texas was lining up to stop the run while Malik was in? Poor play calling, or maybe they were setting him up to fail to ensure a smooth transition for Kizer? /tinfoilhat

I'm not sure how many times we have to go over this. If he wasn't getting into the right plays, its on him, not the play calling. They are given options on every play. The only QB, that I can recall under Kelly, to not get those options was Golson in 2012.

Also, no, Zaire has not consistently been serviceable at throwing the ball. In fact statistically his completion percentage has been downright awful at times.

He's played in 6 games and in only 2 has he completed more than 50% of his passes. That's terrible. So 1/3 of the time, we can count on him to not be bad. I don't like those odds.

To contrast, Kizer has NEVER had a game where he completed less than 50% of his passes.

 

[BobbyMac]

Apologies for the poor phrasing. Kelly didn't want Malik to check out. He needed to keep both QBs fully engaged for obvious reasons. In retrospect, that seems to be the most plausible explanation for why Kelly insisted on Zaire and Kizer being neck and neck, and why he gave Zaire three drives against a blue-blood opponent in prime time.

Fair enough. You know my background in all of this and... I wouldn't have gone into game 1 with an open audition, I would have named a starter for THAT game and said you will see the other guy on some predetermined plays if the game situations dictate. I would have then had an open audition against the sacrificial lamb if I needed it.

The Grad-Transfer rule should take a lot of pressure off coaches in these situations. It's tough to look any competitor in the eye and say you lost and you are going to play very little from here on out, outside of injury. With the GT rule you can say, it was close, great job, finish strong this year and if you don't like how things look for next year once the dust settles after the bowl game, then i'll understand and help you find the right situation at LSU, Florida, Clemson, Syracuse, etc.

 

[irisheyes]

When you compare Kizer's body of work to Zaire's, the former is clearly the superior QB. That was obvious before the first day of spring camp, and it was obvious throughout the UT game as well.

malik zaire total passing pct: .596 rushing 4.9 yard per attempt
Deshone Kizer total passing pct: .630 rushing 3.9 yard per attempt

Directly from Notre Dames website please tell me how he is clearly the superior
Ill also add the Malik is undefeated in every game he has started.

I asked you why you still thought that Zaire is better than Kizer, and pointed out that Kelly and Sanford (who have both seen way more of these two kids than you) obviously disagree. You retorted with "BVG something something so my opinion is as good as Kelly's," which is ridiculously illogical.

I may not be at every practice but i see the final results on saturday. Brian Kelly is building a team. This is his 7th year. If we used your train of thought Bob Davie would still be coaching, because you cant second guess the coach because he's all knowing and a professional. He's the head coach, its his job to put a good team on the field. He defended BVG and threw the team under the bus. Now in my opinion every other decision he makes is up for scrutiny. If someone said the earth was flat would you believe everything else they said?

 

[stlnd01]

malik zaire total passing pct: .596 rushing 4.9 yard per attempt
Deshone Kizer total passing pct: .630 rushing 3.9 yard per attempt

Directly from Notre Dames website please tell me how he is clearly the superior
Ill also add the Malik is undefeated in every game he has started.

Except if you've watched the actual football games, instead of running statistics, it's be hard to argue that Zaire is a better quarterback for Notre Dame than Kizer. Kizer's got a much bigger arm, can read defenses and grasp the full offense, and is just as effective, if not as explosive, a runner. Zaire may be "undefeated in every game he has started" but that's three games, one of which he split snaps with Golson and the other he broke his ankle in the second quarter. So I'm not sure what beating Texas last year really proves.

I'm with Crusader. Maintaining the "competition" into the season was probably a mistake by Kelly. They should have picked a guy - Kizer - in camp and designed some packages to get Zaire on the field, because MZ is a very good athlete and can be a leader on the team and we're better off with him contributing than not. But get the drama and disappointment out of the way early.
One of several mistakes Kelly made this offseason, mistakes that have come back to haunt him. Like most of the others though, this one still seems fixable.

 

[ThePiombino]

You base this off what? Malik was ranked in like the top 200 of his recruiting class and 6 as a dual threat qb. Was Kizer? Once again im not saying kizer is bad but i think Malik is better.

You can't possibly have actually watched any of the games from the past two season and come up with this summation without the assistance of some recreational drug. I'm sorry, but just no.

 

[Luckylucci]

malik zaire total passing pct: .596 rushing 4.9 yard per attempt
Deshone Kizer total passing pct: .630 rushing 3.9 yard per attempt

Directly from Notre Dames website please tell me how he is clearly the superior
Ill also add the Malik is undefeated in every game he has started.


I may not be at every practice but i see the final results on saturday. Brian Kelly is building a team. This is his 7th year. If we used your train of thought Bob Davie would still be coaching, because you cant second guess the coach because he's all knowing and a professional. He's the head coach, its his job to put a good team on the field. He defended BVG and threw the team under the bus. Now in my opinion every other decision he makes is up for scrutiny. If someone said the earth was flat would you believe everything else they said?

Zaire's numbers, overall, are very misleading. When you break down each game, you realize that he's insanely inconsistent. He's had 2 games of 80+ comp % and he's had 4 games below 45% or lower. Below 50, for over half of the games you've played in, is pretty bad. He was at 38.9% against UVA, that is terrible. On the other hand, Kizer has never had 1 game below 50%. I posted these stats above your post. Its very easy to see that Zaire does play well at times, but he's no where near as consistent as Kizer.

USC 45%
LSU 80%
UT 86%
UVA 38.9%
UT 16' 40%
Nevada 44.4%

Another metric of major inconsistency is his yds/attempt. His overall average is pretty good at 8.6 but as you'll see, its drastically skewed by one huge game.

USC 8.5
LSU 6.4
UT 14.22
UVA 6.38
UT 16' 4.6
Nevada 5 .4

I'm not going to do Kizer's because he's played in a lot more games. But he's much more consistent with his comp %, again never below 50. And has had only 1 game, in his 16 played, where his yds/attempt were below 7. WF 5.84.

 

[PANDFAN]

Zaire's numbers, overall, are very misleading. When you break down each game, you realize that he's insanely inconsistent. He's had 2 games of 80+ comp % and he's had 4 games below 45% or lower. Below 50, for over half of the games you've played in, is pretty bad. He was at 38.9% against UVA, that is terrible. On the other hand, Kizer has never had 1 game below 50%. I posted these stats above your post. Its very easy to see that Zaire does play well at times, but he's no where near as consistent as Kizer.

USC 45%
LSU 80%
UT 86%
UVA 38.9%
UT 16' 40%
Nevada 44.4%

Another metric of major inconsistency is his yds/attempt. His overall average is pretty good at 8.6 but as you'll see, its drastically skewed by one huge game.

USC 8.5
LSU 6.4
UT 14.22
UVA 6.38
UT 16' 4.6
Nevada 5 .4

I'm not going to do Kizer's because he's played in a lot more games. But he's much more consistent with his comp %, again never below 50. And has had only 1 game, in his 16 played, where his yds/attempt were below 7. WF 5.84.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!

i made this point before but in watching the Blue Gold game from this year, it was very apparent that DK was a MUCH better qb than MZ was...but here is the stat breakdown that if you took a look at just stats you wouldn't necessary see that...just perspective

Zaire Stats: 6 of 15 (40%), 120 passing yards, 8 YPA, 5 rushes, 12 rushing yards, 1 touchdown

Kizer Stats: 10 of 17 (58.8%), 113 passing yards, 6.64 YPA, 4 rushes, 21 rushing yards

 

[Bogtrotter07]

That's not true as stated. Transferring was not an option and was never considered regarding this season. Malik's more like you than the second rate quitter/whiner he's being portrayed as recently. He values that ND degree, the school and his ND family above all else. The Grad-Transfer rule will allow him to chase his pro-football dreams. No one should feel sorry for him. I don't. He had an audition and he didn't get the part. It happens. Reminds me of Wally Pip. As the story goes, Pip didn't feel well one day and Miller Huggins put in some kid named Gerhig who held on to 1st base for the next 2,130 games in a row.
What's left out of the story is Pip was one of the best 1st basemen in the league and was good enough to keep Gehrig on the bench the prior two seasons. He was then traded to the Reds the following year where he finished in the Top 10 or 20 in the MVP voting once again.

Kelly's body language made it pretty clear, at least to me, MZ is the backup going into the game and the QB decision may have created division within the locker room.

This question and answer from today's presser...

Q. Lou Holtz was on a radio show this week where he said in his own times he had to look and probe closely to see if there was player dissension within the ranks, whether it's -- it can be taking sides on the quarterback or anything like that. Have you been able to gauge anything on that front?

Brian Kelly: We're 1-3. We're 1-3. Our players aren't that bad. Our coaches are pretty good coaches. I've been doing it for 27 years. Obviously, we're working through some things. We're working through some things and our guys are working through 'em. We're working through 'em, and we think we're going back in the right direction. So I think I've answered that question.

Now we are getting somewhere!

How many of you watched the Cuse presser?

I got the impression from this question, and a number of others including when Kelly talked about how once you considered firing someone it was the real world; how people had careers, mortgages to pay, etc.

I just about got from the presser that the divisions in the locker room, were more coaching oriented, (BVG), than player. In fact, Kelly went on to describe how more players would be playing, because one of the problems (and every case he brought up was a defensive player) was that certain players were being overworked. And when it happened, they were more likely to make a big mistake.

Also, he went on to talk about how much simpler his defense would be, how these kids only had twenty hours to study football, and they had to carry a full course load.

My impressions were that BK saw the problems with the defense, BVG was on the way out the door, maybe at the end of the season. That BK thought the talent was enough to overcome the strife, and the problems. And most importantly, that Kelly had thought about the problems enough to formulate solutions, from pickling Hudson to replace BVG, to simplifying the defense, to playing many more players, to changing some positions, to dealing with the specific weaknesses of BVG's defense against up tempo offenses.

BK was fairly confident with his rollout. Maybe he learned you don't sacrifice your team for a friend. Because that is really what it looks like happened.

Oh, and did BK point the ultimate finger in questioning why Jay Hayes didn't get more play time, by questioning it himself?

 

[RDU Irish]

Now we are getting somewhere!

How many of you watched the Cuse presser?

I got the impression from this question, and a number of others including when Kelly talked about how once you considered firing someone it was the real world; how people had careers, mortgages to pay, etc.

I just about got from the presser that the divisions in the locker room, were more coaching oriented, (BVG), than player. In fact, Kelly went on to describe how more players would be playing, because one of the problems (and every case he brought up was a defensive player) was that certain players were being overworked. And when it happened, they were more likely to make a big mistake.

Also, he went on to talk about how much simpler his defense would be, how these kids only had twenty hours to study football, and they had to carry a full course load.

My impressions were that BK saw the problems with the defense, BVG was on the way out the door, maybe at the end of the season. That BK thought the talent was enough to overcome the strife, and the problems. And most importantly, that Kelly had thought about the problems enough to formulate solutions, from pickling Hudson to replace BVG, to simplifying the defense, to playing many more players, to changing some positions, to dealing with the specific weaknesses of BVG's defense against up tempo offenses.

BK was fairly confident with his rollout. Maybe he learned you don't sacrifice your team for a friend. Because that is really what it looks like happened.

Oh, and did BK point the ultimate finger in questioning why Jay Hayes didn't get more play time, by questioning it himself?

All of these things were grossly evident at the end of last season - I am sympathetic to the personal element of firing someone but I cannot fathom how he thought this was not a fatal flaw of our team that needed to be addressed! It was not going to fix itself! BK lost a lot credibility with me here, really hope they can pick up the pieces and take the next few months to make a monster DC hire. Had he addressed it last year I would have a lot more slack in the line for Kelly and more tolerance of a crappy season.

 

[irisheyes]

Zaire's numbers, overall, are very misleading. When you break down each game, you realize that he's insanely inconsistent. He's had 2 games of 80+ comp % and he's had 4 games below 45% or lower. Below 50, for over half of the games you've played in, is pretty bad. He was at 38.9% against UVA, that is terrible. On the other hand, Kizer has never had 1 game below 50%. I posted these stats above your post. Its very easy to see that Zaire does play well at times, but he's no where near as consistent as Kizer.

USC 45%
LSU 80%
UT 86%
UVA 38.9%
UT 16' 40%
Nevada 44.4%

Another metric of major inconsistency is his yds/attempt. His overall average is pretty good at 8.6 but as you'll see, its drastically skewed by one huge game.

USC 8.5
LSU 6.4
UT 14.22
UVA 6.38
UT 16' 4.6
Nevada 5 .4

I'm not going to do Kizer's because he's played in a lot more games. But he's much more consistent with his comp %, again never below 50. And has had only 1 game, in his 16 played, where his yds/attempt were below 7. WF 5.84.

you say his numbers are misleading but use games that he hardly played in to back that up.

 

[NDdomer2]

you say his numbers are misleading but use games that he hardly played in to back that up.

What stats do you think prove he should be playing?

 

[IrishLion]

you say his numbers are misleading but use games that he hardly played in to back that up.

You used those same games to state your initial case about Malik being superior lol.

The fact is, DeShone is superior based on number of reps alone. We have two talented, mobile QB's that can both do good things. They can both makes plays with their arms and their legs. However, only one has been at the helm for more than two consecutive games. When all things appear to be slightly equal, or at least don't have an equal sample size for comparison, I would defer to volume of reps and continuity.

Not to mention, there is a pretty clear argument that Kizer has proven to be a more efficient runner, AND has demonstrated a better ability to operate the mid-range passing game. Those are things that were clear in both the Spring game, AND when you compare their best and worst performances.

 

[irisheyes]

Im done with this thread, I like Malik on what Ive seen him do.And i think im a better arm chair quarterback than all of you. No point in arguing it because nobody is going to change their mind because they think they're right.

 

[IrishLion]

And i think im a better arm chair quarterback than all of you.

Now you're just being ridiculous.

 

[Luckylucci]

Im done with this thread, I like Malik on what Ive seen him do.And i think im a better arm chair quarterback than all of you. No point in arguing it because nobody is going to change their mind because they think they're right.

Fact, he was very good against UT 15'.
Fact, he was awful against UVA, the very next game. That's the definition of inconsistent. And that's the exact reason, why he's not our starting QB. Because he can't consistently do that. Just the facts.

I wouldn't want to argue either, if I couldn't understand what misleading and inconsistent meant. It makes it awfully difficult for all parties involved.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Im done with this thread, I like Malik on what Ive seen him do.And i think im a better arm chair quarterback than all of you. No point in arguing it because nobody is going to change their mind because they think they're right.

You doing ok? I don't remember you're posts being so ridiculous before. I get your like for Zaire and even desire to see him play, I don't agree with it, but I understand it. However, the 'I am a better arm chair quarterback than all of you . No point in arguing' line is shity. Can't tell if your serious or just trolling.

 

[Irish#1]

Im done with this thread, I like Malik on what Ive seen him do.And i think im a better arm chair quarterback than all of you. No point in arguing it because nobody is going to change their mind because they think they're right.

You related to Koon?


To me, this entire argument could have been avoided if BK had not gotten emotional after the UV game and told MZ that this was still his team. As HC you want to connect with your players on an emotional level so they respect and follow you. Yet this is a business and you always have to keep the number one goal in mind and make it the priority, not the players feelings.

 

[IrishBroker]

Im done with this thread, I like Malik on what Ive seen him do.And i think im a better arm chair quarterback than all of you. No point in arguing it because nobody is going to change their mind because they think they're right.

So you like his technique in clipboard holding?

And I think that Malik is transferring after this year. So who cares.