'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

[WestCoast]

it's not like freshman RB's can't make inroads on good teams (happens all over the country, why not ND for once?)

because we are ND?

 

[WestCoast]

Anybody know how this turned from a 4 game suspension to a full season?

The first update said academically ineligible.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Just so we're clear, who is playing the part of BK in that re-enactment?

I think it makes most sense if we get racially creative with the roles and do a flip but...that's no fun and I find it more satisfying to keep the skin tones synonymous with real life.

 

[WestCoast]

I'd say the odds are greater that he transfers after this semester than they are that he stays put.

does this mean wooly needs to run a naked lap?

 

[FLDomer]

Jesus, now my fsu buddy is already asking about him saying the fsu boards are chattering...,I hate thoat program and fan base.

 

[BeauBenken]

If this is all (and a few of you know what I'm talking about), then this is a big 'meh' for me. He was already gone for a third of the season anyway, and it's not like freshman RB's can't make inroads on good teams (happens all over the country, why not ND for once?), so this doesn't really phase me right now.

Plus, if this is the only guy that we lose from now until the season, I will be a happy, happy man. (Insert prayer gif)

Indeed... but if it doesn't shake out right, this loss is catastrophic. As is, Folston + Prosise can handle 30 touches a game easily between them with another back (Carlisle, Hunter, Williams, or Adams) getting a little bit of run.

Me:

"Somewhat" better be code for third string

Glad to see I wasn't far off.

 

[kmoose]

It doesn't sound like this is an ND issue. If he's academically ineligible, that is an NCAA thing. And a Mr. Greg Bryant thing. There have been lots of kids that came from less than great backgrounds who made it through ND. In fact, that is what the mystique is founded on. The problem is not with ND. The problem is with the kids who don't (or won't?) put forth the effort that is required.

 

[Rocket89]

Please God, no. We have a monster OL, we have Folston, Prosise, Dex, Adams. If we can't keep two of those healthy through the season, then we can always bring Carlisle back behind the QB.

Let's allow some of our players to stick at their "best" position. For Sanders, most believe that is slot/return man.

I'll take Sanders grabbing some carries out of the backfield before Amir "Run Into My Own Blocker Half The Time" Carlisle gets thrown back there again.

But yeah, for now we should be okay without resulting to that. Hopefully.

 

[BGIF]

So I feel like I'm missing something with that last tweet.

Wouldn't the only reason for the difference between a B+ and B- making you eligible mean he was doing very poor in other classes?

I know Mr. Bryant means well with that quote but damn that makes ND look ridiculous from a publicity standpoint.

IF it was UNC, FSU, OSU and other football factories a Department Chairman, President, or BOT NOT getting the grade changed would look bad from a publicity point. But This is ND.

Let's be candid the was Summer School not an 18 credit semester. ND has a successful Tutoring program for those who use it.

GB knew where the chains were. It was 4th and goal at the 2 with the game on the line. IF he broke a tackle at the LOS but was downed at the 1/2 yd line he did NOT score. No matter how valiant the effort the bottom line is fail - ineligible.

Dumb, da, dumb, dumb!

 

[GATTACA!]

It doesn't sound like this is an ND issue. If he's academically ineligible, that is an NCAA thing. And a Mr. Greg Bryant thing. There have been lots of kids that came from less than great backgrounds who made it through ND. In fact, that is what the mystique is founded on. The problem is not with ND. The problem is with the kids who don't (or won't?) put forth the effort that is required.

It wouldn't be a NCAA issue if the teacher would have just given him a B+ instead. In a world where other teams allow accused rapists to play the entire season i'm okay with grading our guys in the classroom on a slight curve if necessary.

 

[pumpdog20]

Why do we make players play school?

 

[kmoose]

It wouldn't be a NCAA issue if the teacher would have just given him a B+ instead. In a world where other teams allow accused rapists to play the entire season i'm okay with grading our guys in the classroom on a slight curve if necessary.

If Professors start grading athletes differently, then what is the difference between ND and tOSU or Oregon or Florida State?

 

[calvegas04]

well there goes 20 yards he would have given us a game

 

[GATTACA!]

If Professors start grading athletes differently, then what is the difference between ND and tOSU or Oregon or Florida State?

Those schools ignore off the field issues. They also dont make their player attend real classes, if they attend any classes at all. They also have ridiculously low entrance standards.

Im not talking about passing students that barely showed up to class and earned a D-. But for christ sake a B- is already above average.

 

[kmoose]

Those schools ignore off the field issues. They also dont make their player attend real classes, if they attend any classes at all. They also have ridiculously low entrance standards.

Im not talking about passing students that barely showed up to class and earned a D-. But for christ sake a B- is already above average.

What is the point of requiring football players to attend real classes, if you are not going to give them real grades? If you want to blame someone, blame Greg Bryant, who apparently did B- work in a class when he needed to be doing B+ work.

 

[GATTACA!]

What is the point of requiring football players to attend real classes, if you are not going to give them real grades? If you want to blame someone, blame Greg Bryant, who apparently did B- work in a class when he needed to be doing B+ work.

Who are we helping by holding players to this tight of a standard? Bryant really learned his lesson! No he's gonna transfer to some school like FSU that will require him to do zero classroom work to get on the field. This also can do nothing but discourage other recruits from coming here. I understand this moral high ground i just don't think it benefits anyone.

 

[kmoose]

Who are we helping by holding players to this tight of a standard? Bryant really learned his lesson! No he's gonna transfer to some school like FSU that will require him to do zero classroom work to get on the field. This also can do nothing but discourage other recruits from coming here. I understand this moral high ground i just don't think it benefits anyone.

It benefits those athletes who complete their requirements for a degree. Allowing him to stay on scholarship and (presumably) earn his degree, despite not being able to compete, is a pretty significant trade-off for simply asking football players to perform like their peers, in the classroom.

 

[NDBoiler]

Who are we helping by holding players to this tight of a standard? Bryant really learned his lesson! No he's gonna transfer to some school like FSU that will require him to do zero classroom work to get on the field. This also can do nothing but discourage other recruits from coming here. I understand this moral high ground i just don't think it benefits anyone.

The benefit is that it attempts to teach a little self-responsibility. Hopefully the athletes see that, take advantage of it, and become better off in life for it. You don't see that because as a football fan you only want it to benefit your personal pleasure of seeing the football team be successful, apparently without regard to the future wellbeing of the very ones who provide that pleasure. The value of the degree GB could earn far outweighs the short-sighted reasoning you provided.

 

[Henges24]

Sorry haven't read all the posts and not sure if it's been brought up but he loses a year of eligibility, correct?

Something is telling me that Koon had something to do with this.

 

[sportallyr]

FOLSTON FOR HEISMAN!!! Seriously, kid seems like he can handle 25 carries a game and now he has the opportunity. I love getting CJP more involved now too. I liked Bryant, but the only way this hurts the Irish this year is if one of those guys goes down and we have to rely on a true frosh.

 

[Cackalacky]

Who are we helping by holding players to this tight of a standard? Bryant really learned his lesson! No he's gonna transfer to some school like FSU that will require him to do zero classroom work to get on the field. This also can do nothing but discourage other recruits from coming here. I understand this moral high ground i just don't think it benefits anyone.

ND is helping the student and student athlete that graduates by giving them a world class educational environment and all world undergrad degree. #40yearDecision. This exact scenario is why holding players to the same standards as the general student body only benefits ND football. This is how ND coaches walk into that living room and can look Dad and Mom in the eye and say we are gonna help your boy grow into a man, provide him the best educational OPPORTUNITY he is likely to have, and also give him the OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY elite Football FOR FREE.

My hope is that GB stays and graduates. My bigger hope is he graduates from ND and finishes out his eligibility.

 

[Irish Insanity]

If Professors start grading athletes differently, then what is the difference between ND and tOSU or Oregon or Florida State?

Our degree will still hold exponentially more value.

But I do agree, let's not dull down education for student athletes.

 

[Irish Glory]

So do his suspension and his ineligibility get lumped together, or would he still have to sit out to start next year. This assuming he stays, although I doubt he will at this point.

 

[Cackalacky]

Sorry haven't read all the posts and not sure if it's been brought up but he loses a year of eligibility, correct?

Something is telling me that Koon had something to do with this.

GB skin suit..... j/k lol

Seriously...koon might need to be on suicide watch.

 

[kmoose]

Our degree will still hold exponentially more value.

But I do agree, let's not dull down education for student athletes.

But the degree only holds exponentially more value because of the standards that the students, including student-athletes, are held to. If you stop holding athletes to those standards, then the value falls in line with that(for athletes, anyway).

 

[Irishman77]

If you listen to last weeks Power Hour on ISD they strongly hinted at we have to plan on not having Bryant all year...

I agree with ISD's take on rolling with 2 strong backs vs 3. Bryant would not get enough opportunities and I wonder if it would have created locker room issues.

 

[BGIF]

Sorry haven't read all the posts and not sure if it's been brought up but he loses a year of eligibility, correct?

...

So do his suspension and his ineligibility get lumped together, or would he still have to sit out to start next year. This assuming he stays, although I doubt he will at this point.

He doesn't lose a year of eligibility, he loses a year off his 5 year window to play. He played as a Fr. And So. This is year 3 on his clock. Sitting out 2015 leaves a 2 years to play in a 2 year window.

I don't know his GPA status but if he's NCAA GPA Ineligible and not just ND ineligible he can transfer but he's still ineligible.


As for the 4 game ban versus losing the entire season, I believe it's moot. If the 4 game suspension was Kelly (team rules) GB has lost a lot more. IF it was Res Life (Du Lac) such suspensions are issued for the student to reflect on the problem, get counseling, mend his ways, and focus on his studies. The season, actually semester, suspension is for a lack of satifactory progress by the Academic people.

IF GB is convinced that even with ND Tutoring and a maximum effort on his part that he can't succeed in ND's academic environment than he needs to leave. Obviously ND hasn't thrown in the towel as he's allowed to stay AND keep his scholarship ... for this semester.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

He doesn't lose a year of eligibility, he loses a year off his 5 year window to play. He played as a Fr. And So. This is year 3 on his clock. Sitting out 2015 leaves a 2 years to play in a 2 year window.



I don't know his GPA status but if he's NCAA GPA Ineligible and not just ND ineligible he can transfer but he's still ineligible.





As for the 4 game ban versus losing the entire season, I believe it's moot. If the 4 game suspension was Kelly (team rules) GB has lost a lot more. IF it was Res Life (Du Lac) such suspensions are issued for the student to reflect on the problem, get counseling, mend his ways, and focus on his studies. The season, actually semester, suspension is for a lack of satifactory progress by the Academic people.



IF GB is convinced that even with ND Tutoring and a maximum effort on his part that he can't succeed in ND's academic environment than he needs to leave. Obviously ND hasn't thrown in the towel as he's allowed to stay AND keep his scholarship ... for this semester.

I believe he didn't play enough minutes his freshman year and ended up redshirting.


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[BGIF]

I believe he didn't play enough minutes his freshman year and ended up redshirting.


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You're correct he did get a "redshirt" but it was a Medical Hardship Waiver Redshirt for knee tendonitis. It's based on % of games played not minutes. You can't exceed 30% of the season's games. If you step on the field for 1 play in 4 games you burn a year of eligibilty. As he played in 3 games and supplied the necessary medical info to the NCAA through the school hewas granted the Medical Hardship Waiver by the NCAA. Thus he did NOT burn a year of eligibilty but he burned a year off his clock.


2013 Medical Hardship Waiver Redshirt - burned year 1 of his 5 year window, did not use a year of eligibilty.
2014 Burned 1 year of Eligibilty - burned year 2 of 5 year window, burned year one of eligibilty.
2015 Academically Ineligible - burns year 3 of 5, does not use a year of eligibility.


Leaving GB with 3 seasons of eligibilty BUT only 2 seasons of the 5 year window to use them. Thus,

2 years to play in a 2 year window

 

[irishknight35]

You're correct he did get a "redshirt" but it was a Medical Hardship Waiver Redshirt for knee tendonitis. It's based on % of games played not minutes. You can't exceed 30% of the season's games. If you step on the field for 1 play in 4 games you burn a year of eligibilty. As he played in 3 games and supplied the necessary medical info to the NCAA through the school hewas granted the Medical Hardship Waiver by the NCAA. Thus he did NOT burn a year of eligibilty but he burned a year off his clock.


2013 Medical Hardship Waiver Redshirt - burned year 1 of his 5 year window, did not use a year of eligibilty.
2014 Burned 1 year of Eligibilty - burned year 2 of 5 year window, burned year one of eligibilty.
2015 Academically Ineligible - burns year 3 of 5, does not use a year of eligibility.


Leaving GB with 3 seasons of eligibilty BUT only 2 seasons of the 5 year window to use them. Thus,

Why isn't BGIF tutoring players?! He takes posters to school on the reg!