'13 CA S Max Redfield (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

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The funny thing about Max: He didn't really struggle that much early in his career. I mean, he didn't come in and blow the place up, but he contributed as a freshman. Also never been any sign of academic trouble with him (if anything he prioritized academic pursuits over mastery of the playbook), or the sort of cultural adjustment struggles that some of our other five-star flameouts have had. He could be a poster boy for the program, if only he had his head on straight.

As for his future with the team: I guess it depends on what, exactly, his role was here (If the gun was his, that's a problem. If he was just in the car, it would seem like a two-game suspension might be more in order). And on what his teammates feel about him. I know he's not popular on the message boards, but less clear on how he's thought of within the program. He may be a leader in ways we don't see. Or not.

I would say he struggled. He was a 5 star prospect, was he not? Most players in that category are estimated to be playmakers that could see the field right away (Which is not always the case of course, but they can on most programs). Max saw limited playing time freshman year, mostly just in the 2013 bowl game if I recall. Diaco didn't really play him, and my guess is he played so much in the bowl because they wanted to see what he could do. He's been benched a few times because he didn't have his head on straight. This year he was getting competition from Studstill for his spot. Long story short, Max hasn't really planned out like scouts thought he would.
 

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Max sucks, he would have helped ND more had he went to USC. We could have ate him up for 4 years (that is if he saw the field)
 

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Max sucks, he would have helped ND more had he went to USC. We could have ate him up for 4 years (that is if he saw the field)

Agreed! I say ship his ass back California and he can create some shit at some other school for his last year! What a waste of talent!
 

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Let's wait until we know the facts before we start acting righteous. The original stop was supposedly for speeding. Were they speeding or were they profiled as a car-full of young black men out late at night? There are still a lot of details to be revealed before any of them are suspended, kicked off the team, or charged with any criminal activity. Bad timing for sure with the opening game just two weeks away, but this will play itself out and ND will go on, with or without these five players.
 

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Easy now. He is still on our team.

I'm speaking just from a football standpoint. Look at the other 2 5* safeties in his class, Von Bell and Su'a cravens. Both in the NFL, and both were studs. Max was/is a bust. I'm almost glad he's not going to be on the field. Oh he had a bunch of tackles against LSU...#hugefartnoisewithmouth
 

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I'm speaking just from a football standpoint. Look at the other 2 5* safeties in his class, Von Bell and Su'a cravens. Both in the NFL, and both were studs. Max was/is a bust. I'm almost glad he's not going to be on the field. Oh he had a bunch of tackles against LSU...#hugefartnoisewithmouth



And his block on Devin Gardner nullified a touchdown, and could have cost them the game against Michigan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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This guy lives a couple of minutes from me. If he goes SC I may take a dump in his yard. Actually...since he goes to Mission V with an SC offer, he's an SC lock. Might as well take that dump now.

Should have taken the dump....
 

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Let's wait until we know the facts before we start acting righteous. The original stop was supposedly for speeding. Were they speeding or were they profiled as a car-full of young black men out late at night? There are still a lot of details to be revealed before any of them are suspended, kicked off the team, or charged with any criminal activity. Bad timing for sure with the opening game just two weeks away, but this will play itself out and ND will go on, with or without these five players.
Didn't they get pulled over after 10pm? Going down US 31 at night in that area is pitch black, mostly farms. I can't see how any officer would have been racially profiling.....
 

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Agreed! I say ship his ass back California and he can create some shit at some other school for his last year! What a waste of talent!

Max's success or lack of success on the football field should have no bearing on this matter going forward. If he is the owner of the loaded gun, he should be punished accordingly. If he is not, his punishment should be no more severe than what the others receive. Again, let the matter play out.
 

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Max's success or lack of success on the football field should have no bearing on this matter going forward. If he is the owner of the loaded gun, he should be punished accordingly. If he is not, his punishment should be no more severe than what the others receive. Again, let the matter play out.
He's been in Kelly's "dog house" in the past, he got sent home from last year's bowl game because of team rule violations and now this. I dunno, but appears to be a pattern going on here with him regarding what is right and what is wrong!?!
 

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Let's wait until we know the facts before we start acting righteous. The original stop was supposedly for speeding. Were they speeding or were they profiled as a car-full of young black men out late at night? There are still a lot of details to be revealed before any of them are suspended, kicked off the team, or charged with any criminal activity. Bad timing for sure with the opening game just two weeks away, but this will play itself out and ND will go on, with or without these five players.
You're an idiot. They WERE speeding, they DID have a busted tail light, they DID have drugs, and they DID have an illegal firearm.
 

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You're an idiot. They WERE speeding, they DID have a busted tail light, they DID have drugs, and they DID have an illegal firearm.

You're an idiot. Ashton White WAS speeding, his car DID have a busted tail light, they DID have drugs, and one player DID have an illegal firearm

Fixed.
 

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You're an idiot. They WERE speeding, they DID have a busted tail light, they DID have drugs, and they DID have an illegal firearm.

You have absolutely no evidence for any of your conclusions except your naive belief that profiling doesn't exist. This is just further evidence that you have no experience comparable to that experienced by young black men. They have been accused of speeding and of having a busted tail light, two very common excuses for stopping an automobile with the hope of finding more, in other words profiling.

Only one driver = Only one of the five guilty of speeding if it can be proven. Four innocent.
Only one driver = Only one of the five guilty of driving an automobile with a busted tail light. Four innocent.
Only one loaded gun = Only one person responsible for carrying an illegally loaded weapon. Four innocent.
Marijuana found in the automobile = No evidence at this time that they had been using the marijuana. That will be determined after they have been tested for drug use. One to five possibly guilty of marijuana use.

It has already been suggested that Ashton White was the driver. The other four are innocent of any speeding charge or broken tail light violation. Responsibility for the gun is yet to be determined. There is no evidence at this time that the gun belonged to Max Redfield. That leaves the marijuana charge. Again, there is no evidence that any of the five had been using the marijuana, just that the dog found it in the car. One or more may have, in fact, used the marijuana. Before we convict, suspend, or kick out any of the five, we should wait to find out who was guilty of what offense. If Redfield ends up being guilty of only using marijuana, and is not responsible for the speeding, broken tail light, and loaded weapon, then a suspension in line with previous suspensions would be appropriate.

Thank goodness our legal system has safeguards built in. Wizards would have them all convicted without waiting for the facts to come out regarding who was responsible for what. If being an idiot means waiting for all the facts to come out before rendering a verdict, then I am an idiot. However, I think we can wait a few days or weeks to find out what happened and what crimes were actually committed and by whom.

Obviously, Wizards doesn't believe in due process. He just knows they're all guilty.
 
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Not even 24 hours elapsed before the first "racist white cop" reference reared its ugly head............ amazing.

And here is why :
Federal Suit Filed Against Fulton County Police

July 7, 2014 6:38 PM Stacey Staley Updated: Jul 7, 2014 @ 6:38 PM


Rochester is facing a federal lawsuit that claims the city and Fulton County encourages bad police work.

The Rochester Sentinel reports that attorneys for Erik Sampsel, of Akron, filed a civil rights action in Northern Indiana District Court at South Bend on June 12. The suit specifically names Rochester Police Officers Jesse M. Reason and Ed Haines and Fulton County Sheriff’s Department Deputy Derek Halterman.

Lawyer Danny Saiz told The Rochester Sentinel that he could not talk about the case, but only said, “We believe his rights were violated and he’ll be vindicated in court.”

The Sentinel’s Managing Editor, Christina Seiler, reported that the lawsuit claims officers Reason, Haines and Halterman “arrested him unjustly on Feb. 17, 2013, used excessive force while doing so and then falsely charged him with a crime.”

Seiler’s call to county attorney Greg Heller’s office about who will represent the county was not returned. Neither was a call to Rochester Police Chief Andy Shotts.

Although Sampsel never faced any formal charges or traffic citations, his lawsuit noted the traffic ticket he was issued for driving left of center was dismissed by the Fulton County Prosecutor’s office and another ticket charging him with failing to signal a lane change was never filed with the court.

Further, The Sentinel reported Sampsel was taken to jail on charges of operating a vehicle while intoxicated, two counts of battering a law enforcement officer and one count of resisting law enforcement, but the prosecutor declined to file those charges. One final charge of felony possession of a controlled substance was also dismissed by the court when Sampsel proved he had a valid prescription.

Sampsel’s suit states, according to The Sentinel, that he was pulled over on Indiana 14 near Lake Manitou on Feb. 17, 2013. After writing Sampsel the two traffic tickets, Officer Reason administered a standardized field sobriety test on Sampsel, although he did not claim Sampsel displayed any signs of being impaired and a portable breath-alcohol test found no alcohol in his system.

Officers Haines and Halterman soon arrived on the scene and Halterman ran his police dog around Sampsel’s vehicle, then claimed his dog indicated there were narcotics in the car. The suit states: “At no time did Mr. Sampsel threaten the officers, verbally or physically … Deputy Halterman attacked Mr. Sampsel by grabbing him and forcibly throwing him onto the hood of the police commission. Deputy Halterman was then assisted by Officers Reason and Haines who collectively continued to shout at and manhandle Mr. Sampsel. While Mr. Sampsel was in the officers’ collective grasp and facing away from them, he was stuck by Officer Haines in the face. Officer Reason later claimed Mr. Sampsel had struck two officers.”

The Sentinel reported that Sampsel asked at the Fulton County Jail for further testing to show he was not intoxicated, but his request was denied or ignored.

“The lawsuit claims the city and county have encouraged bad police work. It says the governments have been indifferent to policies and practices, among them:

Legal cause to stop,detain, arrest or charge citizens;

The use of force by police officers;

The proper exercise of police powers;

The monitoring of officers it knows or should have known were suffering from emotional and or psychological problems that impaired the ability to function as officers;

Failure to identify and take remedial or disciplinary action against offers who were the subject of prior civil or internal complaints of misconduct;

The practice, among Rochester police officers, of instituting false charges against individuals whom the officers have subjected to unlawful force with the intention of precluding those individuals from instituting civil claims.”

Through the lawsuit, Sampsel says the officers actions constituted battery, false arrest, false imprisonment and malicious prosecution.

He is seeking compensatory and punitive damages and his attorney fees paid.

Two lawyers filed the suit: Saiz and Andrew P. Wirick, an Indianapolis attorney who at one point served as chief counsel for litigation for the Indianapolis-Marion County consolidated government and its employees.

Source: The Rochester Sentinel

Federal Suit Filed Against Fulton County Police | InkFreeNews.com

Kind of chokes you up, doesn't it?
 
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Only one loaded gun = Only one person responsible for carrying an illegally loaded weapon. Four innocent.

This isn't how the law works. Multiple people can absolutely be charged and convicted of possessing the same firearm.

Marijuana found in the automobile = No evidence at this time that they had been using the marijuana. That will be determined after they have been tested for drug use. One to five possibly guilty of marijuana use.

This isn't at all what is going on. They are charged with possession of marijuana. It doesn't matter at all if used it or not.



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You have absolutely no evidence for any of your conclusions except your naive belief that profiling doesn't exist. This is just further evidence that you have no experience comparable to that experienced by young black men. They have been accused of speeding and of having a busted tail light, two very common excuses for stopping an automobile with the hope of finding more, in other words profiling.

Only one driver = Only one of the five guilty of speeding if it can be proven. Four innocent.
Only one driver = Only one of the five guilty of driving an automobile with a busted tail light. Four innocent.
Only one loaded gun = Only one person responsible for carrying an illegally loaded weapon. Four innocent.
Marijuana found in the automobile = No evidence at this time that they had been using the marijuana. That will be determined after they have been tested for drug use. One to five possibly guilty of marijuana use.

It has already been suggested that Ashton White was the driver. The other four are innocent of any speeding charge or broken tail light violation. Responsibility for the gun is yet to be determined. There is no evidence at this time that the gun belonged to Max Redfield. That leaves the marijuana charge. Again, there is no evidence that any of the five had been using the marijuana, just that the dog found it in the car. One or more may have, in fact, used the marijuana. Before we convict, suspend, or kick out any of the five, we should wait to find out who was guilty of what offense. If Redfield ends up being guilty of only using marijuana, and is not responsible for the speeding, broken tail light, and loaded weapon, then a suspension in line with previous suspensions would be appropriate.

Thank goodness our legal system has safeguards built in. Wizards would have them all convicted without waiting for the facts to come out regarding who was responsible for what. If being an idiot means waiting for all the facts to come out before rendering a verdict, then I am an idiot. However, I think we can wait a few days or weeks to find out what happened and what crimes were actually committed and by whom.

Obviously, Wizards doesn't believe in due process. He just knows they're all guilty.

LOL what?
 

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You have absolutely no evidence for any of your conclusions except your naive belief that profiling doesn't exist. This is just further evidence that you have no experience comparable to that experienced by young black men. They have been accused of speeding and of having a busted tail light, two very common excuses for stopping an automobile with the hope of finding more, in other words profiling.

Only one driver = Only one of the five guilty of speeding if it can be proven. Four innocent.
Only one driver = Only one of the five guilty of driving an automobile with a busted tail light. Four innocent.
Only one loaded gun = Only one person responsible for carrying an illegally loaded weapon. Four innocent.
Marijuana found in the automobile = No evidence at this time that they had been using the marijuana. That will be determined after they have been tested for drug use. One to five possibly guilty of marijuana use.

It has already been suggested that Ashton White was the driver. The other four are innocent of any speeding charge or broken tail light violation. Responsibility for the gun is yet to be determined. There is no evidence at this time that the gun belonged to Max Redfield. That leaves the marijuana charge. Again, there is no evidence that any of the five had been using the marijuana, just that the dog found it in the car. One or more may have, in fact, used the marijuana. Before we convict, suspend, or kick out any of the five, we should wait to find out who was guilty of what offense. If Redfield ends up being guilty of only using marijuana, and is not responsible for the speeding, broken tail light, and loaded weapon, then a suspension in line with previous suspensions would be appropriate.

Thank goodness our legal system has safeguards built in. Wizards would have them all convicted without waiting for the facts to come out regarding who was responsible for what. If being an idiot means waiting for all the facts to come out before rendering a verdict, then I am an idiot. However, I think we can wait a few days or weeks to find out what happened and what crimes were actually committed and by whom.

Obviously, Wizards doesn't believe in due process. He just knows they're all guilty.
You can't be serious. Racial profiling doesn't fabricate drugs and weapons out of thin air.
 
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So an article from 2 years ago justifies the thinly veiled accusation that our players were pulled over for simply Driving While Black?

It's funny that there is no mention of racism in that article, either.............

I really, really love you moose! I mean it. You and I line up on a lot of football issues. Hell, you even made my all-IE football team this year!

But you cannot find where I ever mentioned race. If the article did, okay. If a previous poster did, great.

All I did is pointed out that Fulton County, Rochester, their respective police departments, and the officer in question were the subjects of a successful federal lawsuit for a situation strikingly similar to what happened to the five guys Friday night.

Here is a post from another site :


Odds are that ND's investigative arm is dissecting both incidents.

Devin Butler - This is the perfect situation to bring a high end private consultant in to; A) interview all witnesses, B) Obtain any security video, cell phone recordings, etc., C) Do complete background checks on all parties involved [not just everything about the police officers involved, but everything about Devin Butler, his girlfriend, the assault victim, everyone that was drinking with them, the Linebacker staff, and any other witnesses.] This would include complete service records on the police, training and background information on anyone from the Linebacker involved in the altercation, criminal, civil, and all financial records that are within the public information domain.

Fulton 5 - There are an incredible number of unanswered questions in this case. Who owned the vehicle? What kind of gun was found? Was it a revolver or semi-automatic? What was the proximity of ammunition to the weapon? (For example if it was a semi, was the clip inserted or removed, and was a round chambered? A semi-automatic with the clip removed, with a round chambered shows criminal stupidity, more than criminal intent.)

Questions that need to be answered in Fulton County:
A) Who owned the Focus?
B) Who was driving?
C) Was any occupant tested and found currently intoxicated or under the influence of any substance?
D) Where exactly was the firearm found?
E) What is the complete history of that firearm?
F) What does a forensic examination of the car, specifically the damaged tail light reveal?
G) Was any illegal substance found in the car and where was it found?
H) What is the background of every officer involved in this stop, and what is the status of all (Federal) lawsuits filed against them?
I) What is the status of the police departments of the city and Fulton County, related to past lawsuits filed, and other related incidents?
J) Complete medical, service reports, and all evaluations and reports on every officer involved through any of the departments engaged in the stop?
K) Complete background checks on all involved in the incident; what do they show?

At that point a team will reconstruct the situations from beginning to end. In the event that either case is filed, ND will have a pretty clear understanding of the situation.

As a final note, it seems to me that there is quite a distinction between university disciplinary action, criminal prosecution, and a coaches disciplinary action. Reacting slow to judgement on UND's part may be good for the first and last, but the threat of criminal prosecution will move the whole thing forward more rapidly.

There is a chance that no reliable information may be released until after the criminal issues are resolved.



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There is no mention of racism in it, either. Hell, I would even want to have the narcotics k-9 tested and certified as well! Sounds like this was bad luck for the locals picking such high visibility speeders!
 

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Dismissed from the team. Wow, BK laid it down hard. I'm glad the Redfield era is officially over.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Max Redfield dismissed from the football program per Brian Kelly. Devin Butler suspended indefinitely.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/767439511869595650">August 21, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Dismissed from the team. Wow, BK laid it down hard. I'm glad the Redfield era is officially over.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Max Redfield dismissed from the football program per Brian Kelly. Devin Butler suspended indefinitely.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/767439511869595650">August 21, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Shame it turned out this way. But Max has no one to blame but himself.

If you told me six months ago that at the end of spring camp, one senior starter would do something stupid and get kicked off the team, I think most of us would have guessed it would have been Redfield.
 

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Shame it turned out this way. But Max has no one to blame but himself.

If you told me six months ago that at the end of spring camp, one senior starter would do something stupid and get kicked off the team, I think most of us would have guessed it would have been Redfield.

I was told last night that Max has been in trouble many times with the coaching staff. This was the straw, a really big straw, that finally broke the camel's back.
 

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Dismissed from the team. Wow, BK laid it down hard. I'm glad the Redfield era is officially over.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Max Redfield dismissed from the football program per Brian Kelly. Devin Butler suspended indefinitely.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/767439511869595650">August 21, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Would feel better about the era being over if we actually had depth at that position
 

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Does this mean the gun was his ? (Or at least he's taking the blame for it)??
 

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Dismissed from the team. Wow, BK laid it down hard. I'm glad the Redfield era is officially over.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Max Redfield dismissed from the football program per Brian Kelly. Devin Butler suspended indefinitely.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/767439511869595650">August 21, 2016</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Guess the gun was his. It could've been his year and he pissed it all away. Hope he can move on from this and get it together.
 

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Does this mean the gun was his ? (Or at least he's taking the blame for it)??

This is what I'm starting to think. But know that the other 4 still aren't off the hook with the law and university just yet, something can come up from the incident that could change their status.
 
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