'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[NDdomer2]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p><a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23UCLA&src=hash">#UCLA</a> DL <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieVanderdoes">@EddieVanderdoes</a> tweeting some of the crap ND fans sent his way after hearing he got cleared. It's vile.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BFeldmanCBS) <a href="https://twitter.com/BFeldmanCBS/statuses/362616860929302528">July 31, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Every fan base has some vocal deplorable idiots who mouth on social media when a recruit spurns their favorite program. Never seen Feldman comment publicly on it before, though. Looking back, he's been among the first to RT every negative rumor and insinuation about ND since the title game.

Between him and Gregggg Doyel, I might be done with CBS' CFB analysts. Lots of anti-ND bias.

how much of that is just network bullshit cbs vs nbc?

 

[illmatic630]

Keith Arnold wrote about Eddie

Vanderdoes saga ends, but not without some unanswered questions | Inside the Irish

 

[Luckylucci]

TJ wrote this is response to a guy that said he was an Irish fan first and Bruin fan second. "I can't and won't tell you what to do, but I would strongly urge you to reconsider being a Bruin FB fan as long as the current regime is at the controls. This isn't sour grapes one bit; you're better than supporting that group for now. I'll leave it at that for the time being."

Eddie and other Bruin fans are on twitter making it seem as though whatever happened to him was terrible and nobody could possibly understand but he refuses to say what. My bet is the bullshit they came up with was exactly that so its easier to say nothing.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Keith Arnold wrote about Eddie

Vanderdoes saga ends, but not without some unanswered questions | Inside the Irish

From the article:

After talking with people connected to UCLA, Notre Dame, and the Vanderdoes family, here is what I’ve cobbled together after chasing this story for weeks. If there is skepticism about an ill grandmother, it seems warranted. One source very close to the situation said that Vanderdoes asked for his initial release from Notre Dame well before ever mentioning any family reason or a sick relative.

In regards to allegations that UCLA tampered with a signed athlete, the same source mentioned that communication between Vanderdoes and the Bruins started well before any official recruiting window re-opened, and that the communication may have been initiated by the Vanderdoes family very soon after Signing Day. One source close to the UCLA program told me that the Bruins were actively pursuing Vanderdoes throughout May.

When reached for a comment on Vanderdoes’ appeal victory, or any misconduct in the recruitment of the star defensive tackle, UCLA declined to comment.

A connection between UCLA defensive line coach and recruiting coordinator Angus McClure and Vanderdoes’ personal trainer Jon Osterhout has been mentioned by multiple outlets. Osterhout played for McClure at Sacramento State, and trained Vanderdoes throughout the offseason. In a conversation with Pete Sampson of Irish Illustrated, Osterhout said he had “no inkling” that Vanderdoes was trying to get out of his commitment, which makes sense considering Osterhout was featured in an offseason story written by Sampson in mid-May, just a week before the news broke. Still, the connection of a personal trainer with the Bruins’ recruiting coordinator is more than coincidental.

Any pursuit of proof that UCLA continued communicating with Vanderdoes or members of his inner-circle was stopped by the Bruin athletic department. A Freedom of Information Act Request seeking emails sent to Vanderdoes or his family after Signing Day (an NCAA violation) by head coach Jim Mora, defensive coordinator Lou Spanos, and defensive line coach Angus McClure, was denied by the university.

One scenario that did play into Vanderdoes’ decision to back out of his commitment to Notre Dame was academics. While the Irish coaching staff had an academic roadmap clearly laid out for Vanderdoes upon signing his letter of intent, multiple sources have confirmed to me that Vanderdoes and his family felt mislead by some of the requirements, including a well established foreign language requirement. (That Vanderdoes would be the first high profile recruit not to have known about the language requirement at Notre Dame might be difficult for some to believe.)

This is probably the closest we'll come to the truth. Great detective work by Keith here.

 

[Luckylucci]

Agreed, that was the best article yet.

 

[STLDomer]

One source close to the UCLA program told me that the Bruins were actively pursuing Vanderdoes throughout May...Any pursuit of proof that UCLA continued communicating with Vanderdoes or members of his inner-circle was stopped by the Bruin athletic department. A Freedom of Information Act Request seeking emails sent to Vanderdoes or his family after Signing Day (an NCAA violation) by head coach Jim Mora, defensive coordinator Lou Spanos, and defensive line coach Angus McClure, was denied by the university.

That pretty much tells me everything I need to know.

 

[pumpdog20]

How can a public school deny a FIA request?

 

[Irish Fam]

Just so everyone is clear... Recruiting now no longer ends at the signing of the LOI.

Schools must recruit players until they are on campus and participating in summer workouts regardless of who signed what contract.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

How can a public school deny a FIA request?

By asserting a countervailing privilege (like the Federal Government does with requests that could impact national security). Not sure what UCLA has in mind here; this presumably doesn't involve Eddie's confidential medical information, so HIPAA isn't implicated. The requesting party can sue and get a judge to rule on it if they think the stated privilege is bullsh!t.

 

[condoms SUCk]

Well this sucks, I blame Jim Mora for all of it, nothing we can do now, please close this threat and burn it. That's all.

 

[IrishGiant]

This is where I'm at, though I'd invite Eddie's trainer, Jon Osterhout, and UCLA's DL coach, Angus McClure, to have intercourse with themselves as well. It's open season on signed recruits; tamper away! The inmates are running the asylum.

I was gonna say the same exact thing. Since you beat me to it I will X2 you!

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

nobody comes out looking good here or arguably so, depending on your allegiances). the school could be viewed as pulling a "sour grapes" routine. they really have the best standing, though. ncaa looks like a joke. the social media frenzy between eddie and petulant fans make both seem petty. those fans make us all look bad. ucla comes away seeming shady, and moreso (to me) with the denied FIA request.

 

[irishandy]

It's hard to wish this kid good luck...I hope that Davonte Neal runs this kid over!

 

[ACamp1900]

What are these 'vile' things being said towards EV, that he is putting on blast for the world to see...??

The ONE guy calling him a sellout??

The worst one I can see is EV LOL'ing at BK...

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

RackEm had shared this with me the other day from the II board and I had initially decided to not post thinking his appeal would be denied and there was no need to rehash (and there probably still isn't) but ..

He is at UCLA.

I live right near the UCLA campus and went over to their student union to get some food before I went to work.

I saw Vanderdoes and talked to him for a few minutes. He didn't want to get into specifics about what happened with ND, but he did tell me there was an issue with ND telling him he took enough foreign language classes when he signed, and then afterwards the staff told him he still needed one more foreign language class (I believe Spanish II).

He seemed like a nice guy and clearly has a frame to put on a lot more weight without being fat.

To which TJ responded:

I'm only addressing the bold part from EV's comments.

That's cover. The fact remains that a second language course, along with certain other ND Admissions course "requirements" for student-athletes otherwise in satisfactory shape, could have been made up at ND this summer or even in the fall semester. Without issue. It's been done a number of times before, including for some regular students depending on circumstances.

EV decided against attending ND in the end for reasons best left alone and undocumented. Time to move on.

 

[Ironman8]

So much misinformation.

I'm more than happy winning with who wants to be here. Talented dude, wish him the best, but we'll be fine without him this season and going forward.

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

RackEm had shared this with me the other day from the II board and I had initially decided to not post thinking his appeal would be denied and there was no need to rehash (and there probably still isn't) but ..



To which TJ responded:

this is the stuff that makes my head want to explode. if they were making him take an extra class, why not publicly state that? this is whole situation is beyond ridiculous.

 

[stlnd01]

By asserting a countervailing privilege (like the Federal Government does with requests that could impact national security). Not sure what UCLA has in mind here; this presumably doesn't involve Eddie's confidential medical information, so HIPAA isn't implicated. The requesting party can sue and get a judge to rule on it if they think the stated privilege is bullsh!t.

Yeah. I wouldn't read too much into UCLA stiff-arming a FOIA request. That's to be expected. I file FOIAs all the time and there are loopholes you can drive a truck through. Every state's law's a little different, and I don't know California's, but it's pretty standard for personnel matters to be exempt, for instance. While written communications among state employees are often public, I'd actually be kind of surprised if communications between a state university and a prospective student and/or his family are. If that were the case, I could get your admissions application, and I'm not sure you'd really want that. I'd assume in a case like this, the university is going to say "no" and dare you to sue. Most requesters will decide it's not worth it. And either way, Eddie'll be a junior before that suit is resolved.

As for reasons: This all feels like a kid getting cold feet, maybe prompted by some misunderstandings on the academic end and/or communications with UCLA types about how great life is there, a convenient excuse in Grandma, and the stones/sense of entitlement to actually go through with it. If he doesn't want to be at ND, there's nothing really we can do about it. But it does set a horrible precedent for the NLI.

 

[BeauBenken]

this is the stuff that makes my head want to explode. if they were making him take an extra class, why not publicly state that? this is whole situation is beyond ridiculous.

I think the better question is...why decide not to go to a school you already signed a contract to attend just because you have to take Spanish II?

Keith's article is really all you need to read.

After talking with people connected to UCLA, Notre Dame, and the Vanderdoes family, here is what I’ve cobbled together after chasing this story for weeks. If there is skepticism about an ill grandmother, it seems warranted. One source very close to the situation said that Vanderdoes asked for his initial release from Notre Dame well before ever mentioning any family reason or a sick relative.


In regards to allegations that UCLA tampered with a signed athlete, the same source mentioned that communication between Vanderdoes and the Bruins started well before any official recruiting window re-opened, and that the communication may have been initiated by the Vanderdoes family very soon after Signing Day. One source close to the UCLA program told me that the Bruins were actively pursuing Vanderdoes throughout May.


When reached for a comment on Vanderdoes’ appeal victory, or any misconduct in the recruitment of the star defensive tackle, UCLA declined to comment.


A connection between UCLA defensive line coach and recruiting coordinator Angus McClure and Vanderdoes’ personal trainer Jon Osterhout has been mentioned by multiple outlets. Osterhout played for McClure at Sacramento State, and trained Vanderdoes throughout the offseason. In a conversation with Pete Sampson of Irish Illustrated, Osterhout said he had “no inkling” that Vanderdoes was trying to get out of his commitment, which makes sense considering Osterhout was featured in an offseason story written by Sampson in mid-May, just a week before the news broke. Still, the connection of a personal trainer with the Bruins’ recruiting coordinator is more than coincidental.


Any pursuit of proof that UCLA continued communicating with Vanderdoes or members of his inner-circle was stopped by the Bruin athletic department. A Freedom of Information Act Request seeking emails sent to Vanderdoes or his family after Signing Day (an NCAA violation) by head coach Jim Mora, defensive coordinator Lou Spanos, and defensive line coach Angus McClure, was denied by the university.


One scenario that did play into Vanderdoes’ decision to back out of his commitment to Notre Dame was academics. While the Irish coaching staff had an academic roadmap clearly laid out for Vanderdoes upon signing his letter of intent, multiple sources have confirmed to me that Vanderdoes and his family felt mislead by some of the requirements, including a well established foreign language requirement. (That Vanderdoes would be the first high profile recruit not to have known about the language requirement at Notre Dame might be difficult for some to believe.)

Honestly though, I have never cared about Eddie since he decided to officially not attend Notre Dame. This class was not made by Eddie Vanderdoes. It was made by guys like Jaylon Smith, Mike Heuerman, Steve Elmer, and Malik Zaire.

We have a group of guys who just got here who I think we are going to absolutely love (if you don't already).

 

[STLDomer]

“@SacBee_JoeD: Talked to Eddie Vanderdoes father tonight. Relieved that the NLI committee ruled in their favor. Waaaay more than a change of heart”

The Vanderdoes' camp saying they have a bunch of reasons but not actually saying them is starting to get real old

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

“@SacBee_JoeD: Talked to Eddie Vanderdoes father tonight. Relieved that the NLI committee ruled in their favor. Waaaay more than a change of heart”

The Vanderdoes' camp saying they have a bunch of reasons but not actually saying them is starting to get real old

At this point, they really have no obligation to release that information. What benefit would come of it from their end to release those details?

We'll probably never know what happened.

 

[Irish YJ]

 

[Rhode Irish]

At this point, they really have no obligation to release that information. What benefit would come of it from their end to release those details?

We'll probably never know what happened.

Maybe, but if you aren't going to give details then shut up about it.

 

[clashmore_mike]

At this point, they really have no obligation to release that information. What benefit would come of it from their end to release those details?

We'll probably never know what happened.

Sac Bee douche has been saying the same thing for about 5 months now. Annoying as hell.

 

[Luckylucci]

Maybe, but if you aren't going to give details then shut up about it.

Exactly. Sick of this poor me skit EV and Paps keep trying to portray.

 

[NDPhilly]

He could get all the ND fans off his back on twitter if his reason was really that good for wanting out.

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

After seeing him RT the article where BK disagrees with the NCAA's decision and him lol'ing at it, it's the closest I have ever come to wanting something bad injury-wise to happen to a player.

Realistically not quite there, but close.

 

[STLDomer]

Maybe, but if you aren't going to give details then shut up about it.

Sac Bee douche has been saying the same thing for about 5 months now. Annoying as hell.

Exactly. Sick of this poor me skit EV and Paps keep trying to portray.

He could get all the ND fans off his back on twitter if his reason was really that good for wanting out.

Yes this was my point Joe Davidson has been laughing at ND fan for months and keeps bringing up that he has been told there are multiple reasons for EVs switch and now EV is laughing at fans saying there are 4 reasons. Either tell us the reasons or shut up.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Yes this was my point Joe Davidson has been laughing at ND fan for months and keeps bringing up that he has been told there are multiple reasons for EVs switch and now EV is laughing at fans saying there are 4 reasons. Either tell us the reasons or shut up.

He was searching his name on Twitter yesterday and butting into conversations between ND fans and bloggers just to troll. Check @TheSubwayDomer's timeline. I refuse to follow Davidson.

 

[IrishInFl]

He could get all the ND fans off his back on twitter if his reason was really that good for wanting out.

I don't think it even needs to be a good reason. Any explanation is better than what we have right now