'13 CA DT Eddie Vanderdoes (UCLA)

[connect the dots]

On 1/7/2013, Alabama's offense line provided Diaco, Nix, Te'o, Tuitt, and Day a practical education in smash mouth football.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

On 1/7/2013, Alabama's offense line provided Diaco, Nix, Te'o, Tuitt, and Day a practical education in smash mouth football.

Actually, I think what happened surrounding that, is that Kelly, Martin, especially Diaco, and the rest of the staff learned tremendous strategic and tactical lessons from Nick Saban. It wasn't Nix, Tuitt, and Kappy being outplayed as much as it was the shifts in line-play that Saban achieved to put a (biga$$ed) hat on our linebackers, and that goes on and on, through each phase of the game. I have it from good authority that the staff is still watching film and learning things.

But I made my point because I am really protective of the players in this game, not to disagree with you. I think it is really natural with a 25+ point margin to roll one's eyes and look to the players effort; but I don't think with the initial reffing, and the Bama staff out coaching ours so badly, that the players could have done much about it.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Actually, I think what happened surrounding that, is that Kelly, Martin, especially Diaco, and the rest of the staff learned tremendous strategic and tactical lessons from Nick Saban. It wasn't Nix, Tuitt, and Kappy being outplayed as much as it was the shifts in line-play that Saban achieved to put a (biga$$ed) hat on our linebackers, and that goes on and on, through each phase of the game. I have it from good authority that the staff is still watching film and learning things.

But I made my point because I am really protective of the players in this game, not to disagree with you. I think it is really natural with a 25+ point margin to roll one's eyes and look to the players effort; but I don't think with the initial reffing, and the Bama staff out coaching ours so badly, that the players could have done much about it.

I'm gonna have to partially disagree with ya there...

Ya saban called a better game, but his players were executing because of their physical dominance. Imo.

 

[mkg77]

I've copied this in from the Jay Hayes thread.
The lineage of bigs continues.
2011 Tuitt 6'5" 260 (HS profile)
2012 Jones 6'6" 300
2013 Rochell 6'5" 265
2013 Vanderdoes 6'3 285*
2014 Hayes 6'5" 270

Congrats on making a great decision young man. Welcome to the ND family.

EV is listed at 285, but I bet he's a gravy layden bisquit shy of 300 (to coin a Clark Kellog phrase).

On Bill King's show earlier this week JC Shurburt said EV weighed in at 312 lbs on his 'Bama visit. (Though if true it seems odd that Saban weighs the recruits on their visits.)

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

And that bama O line will go down as one of the best in history.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Others can critique our NC linebacker play, but whomping on our Dline is crap. Barrett Jones told us exactly what happened there and it's been described on IE some time ago. Diaco had installed [all season] a clockwork defense that succeeded because no coach had time to analyze it, find schemes to deal with it, and have enough practice time to teach those exploitations down to micro-details. Saban had all that plus the analytic genius to suss it out --- EVERYBODY in college football knows that you cannot give Saban a month to prepare for you if he has enough film.

Jones said that the Irish defense was good but it was too simple. Saban figured out how to line up and motion so as to make the exact locations and post-snap behaviors of the "Notre Dame Clock" predictable. This manifested in countless situations wherein even if a guy like Nix pushed Jones around [as he frequently did], it did not make difference to the play, as Saban had accounted for Big Lou's area of attack, and the play would go elsewhere. Tuitt's situation was similar. KLM got hurt.

Our Dline guys were NOT "dominated" in any physical sense. Our defensive scheme WAS dominated by a superior analyst, coach, and planner. Put all that on Diaco, as the Master schooled the student, NOT on our Dline guys, who efforted their butts off doing exactly what they were asked to do. Our DC is a good one, but he is a learner still. That is another reason why he's not ready to be a head coach.

 

[Emcee77]

Yes, OMM, I agree. Don't blame the DL; they played great. I'll even go so far as to say that Diaco HAD to play conservative in the NC game (and all year) because he didn't want to take risks that would expose a young secondary. We were too simple to beat a top team with a top coach like Bama and Saban in 2012, but we will be able to do more things defensively next year.

 

[Luckylucci]

I agree that the Dline wasn't dominated I thought they played well and got pretty good push on the pocket but Alabama got the ball out quickly and efficiently. However the tackling by linebacker, safeties, and corners was atrocious. Diaco actually had called the right blitz or had the right guys where thy supposed to be we just plan whiffed the tackle. Motta had two or three that should have been negative plays or at least no gain. Manti had one or two as well. Spond got shoved down by lacy at will. Other players as well but Diaco couldn't do anything about that during the game. That's gotta be on the players. Now they shouldn't get all the blame but IMO it should be 50/50

 

[Meacon Irish]

On Bill King's show earlier this week JC Shurburt said EV weighed in at 312 lbs on his 'Bama visit. (Though if true it seems odd that Saban weighs the recruits on their visits.)

That's not odd at all, and is pretty standard.

Most high school recruiting tapes "fib" their heights and weights and 40 times, so when schools get kids on campus, they at least try to get accurate and up to date heights and weights.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Others can critique our NC linebacker play, but whomping on our Dline is crap. Barrett Jones told us exactly what happened there and it's been described on IE some time ago. Diaco had installed [all season] a clockwork defense that succeeded because no coach had time to analyze it, find schemes to deal with it, and have enough practice time to teach those exploitations down to micro-details. Saban had all that plus the analytic genius to suss it out --- EVERYBODY in college football knows that you cannot give Saban a month to prepare for you if he has enough film.

Jones said that the Irish defense was good but it was too simple. Saban figured out how to line up and motion so as to make the exact locations and post-snap behaviors of the "Notre Dame Clock" predictable. This manifested in countless situations wherein even if a guy like Nix pushed Jones around [as he frequently did], it did not make difference to the play, as Saban had accounted for Big Lou's area of attack, and the play would go elsewhere. Tuitt's situation was similar. KLM got hurt.

Our Dline guys were NOT "dominated" in any physical sense. Our defensive scheme WAS dominated by a superior analyst, coach, and planner. Put all that on Diaco, as the Master schooled the student, NOT on our Dline guys, who efforted their butts off doing exactly what they were asked to do. Our DC is a good one, but he is a learner still. That is another reason why he's not ready to be a head coach.

You guys can discuss all you want, but this is the gold standard of understanding the NC game. AND, Kelly and Diaco have already learned from this. Look at all their post game interviews. They are going to do lots of different things with the guys this year!

Quote: Polish Leppy 22
And that bama O line will go down as one of the best in history.

Agreed! Next up, the next generation ND line!

He does not move like an FBS OLB.

I think he has the size of a SDE and the agility/quickness/speed to play the 0-6 DL techniques. That is impressive versatility. He isn't fast enough for 7-9, but that would never be expected of him.

I expect him to play a ton of 2-5.

This is as fine a player evaluation as I have seen! I think you have everything down about EV, even though it contradicts the verbiage what I have posted before. I was wrong and nearly not this articulate.

PS. While we are on the subject: Sometimes my passion overtakes my good sense, and while I tend to hypebolize, this zeal caught between the letters pushes that to extreme. Where I intend to mortar the word-bricks, what I get is yeasted dough which tends to blow things up a little. I will try to slow down and keep my feet on the ground, a bit more!

 

[ND NYC]

in discussing Eddie's future position the followoing letters should never be used:

LB/OLB/ILB/MLB

he's a D lineman. hand on the ground.
on every snap he plays/will play.

 

[Cali_domer]

in discussing Eddie's future position the followoing letters should never be used:

LB/OLB/ILB/MLB

he's a D lineman. hand on the ground.
on every snap he plays/will play.

Also CB,S, OL, RB QB, TE, WR, K, P.

 

[GBdomer]

I still can't believe this kid is Irish. Hasn't sunk in yet.

 

[TheChosen1]

I still can't believe this kid is Irish. Hasn't sunk in yet.

I said the same exact thing to a friend of mine about an hour ago. Unreal. Opens up so many options

 

[yankeeND]

I still can't believe this kid is Irish. Hasn't sunk in yet.

I know and it's great!

 

[ND NYC]

I still can't believe this kid is Irish. Hasn't sunk in yet.

im with you. so frickin psyched (and surprised) that we got him.
could end up most important kid in the class when all is said and done.

 

[connect the dots]

Others can critique our NC linebacker play, but whomping on our Dline is crap. Barrett Jones told us exactly what happened there and it's been described on IE some time ago. Diaco had installed [all season] a clockwork defense that succeeded because no coach had time to analyze it, find schemes to deal with it, and have enough practice time to teach those exploitations down to micro-details. Saban had all that plus the analytic genius to suss it out --- EVERYBODY in college football knows that you cannot give Saban a month to prepare for you if he has enough film.

Jones said that the Irish defense was good but it was too simple. Saban figured out how to line up and motion so as to make the exact locations and post-snap behaviors of the "Notre Dame Clock" predictable. This manifested in countless situations wherein even if a guy like Nix pushed Jones around [as he frequently did], it did not make difference to the play, as Saban had accounted for Big Lou's area of attack, and the play would go elsewhere. Tuitt's situation was similar. KLM got hurt.

Our Dline guys were NOT "dominated" in any physical sense. Our defensive scheme WAS dominated by a superior analyst, coach, and planner. Put all that on Diaco, as the Master schooled the student, NOT on our Dline guys, who efforted their butts off doing exactly what they were asked to do. Our DC is a good one, but he is a learner still. That is another reason why he's not ready to be a head coach.

post-snap behaviors of the "notre dame clock" predictable - translation - Alabama offensive linemen engaged and maintained their blocks. Alabama running backs passed the line of scrimmage untouched.

our D line guys were not "dominated" in any physical sense - translation - In the second biggest rout of the BCS era, Alabama scores the first 35 points on Notre Dame's defense. Statistically Alabama holds the ball for 38 minutes, acquiring 28 first down, 265 yards rushing, 529 total yards offense.

Saban had time to teach exploitations - translation - At halftime television sets around the country are flipping to other channels.

 

[Luckylucci]

I haven't stopped watching different highlights of his since he signed. #toomuchtime

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

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EV's dad interviewed at his announcement. He talks glowingly about ND about halfway through... Pretty cool.

 

[yankeeND]

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EV's dad interviewed at his announcement. He talks glowingly about ND about halfway through... Pretty cool.

The Vanderdoes family will be very well like in South Bend! Fit right in!

 

[tadman95]

So he called the four coaches he didn't commit to the night before. I would assume that meant he called Kelly/staff the night before also.

The staff probably knew during their press conferences on Wednesday, pretty cool.

We need to send the dad a hat.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

So he called the four coaches he didn't commit to the night before. I would assume that meant he called Kelly/staff the night before also.

The staff probably knew during their press conferences on Wednesday, pretty cool.

We need to send the dad a hat.

Yea, Eddie's name being on the roster list was a mistake but not the mistake they claim ha.. They knew.

 

[yankeeND]

So he called the four coaches he didn't commit to the night before. I would assume that meant he called Kelly/staff the night before also.

The staff probably knew during their press conferences on Wednesday, pretty cool.

We need to send the dad a hat.

I dug his hat

 

[clashmore_mike]

I dug his hat

First thing I noticed too, man. He must be a big fan of the Uptons!

 

[clashmore_mike]

this was a related video to his dad's interview, sorry if it was posted already, I looked back a page or two and didn't see it.

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Finnerty chats with Notre Dame signee, Eddie Vanderdoes of Placer - YouTube

 

[Booslum31]

I haven't stopped watching different highlights of his since he signed. #toomuchtime

I haven't either! I'm not big on huge celebrations after a big play. Eddy shows the perfect amount of passion after he slams, pancakes, sticks, plasters, pastes, slobber-knocks, etc. That kind of enthusiasm is going to be contagious. This is going to be a blast watching!

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

Did NDBoiler ever pay up to the person who posted his announcement first? I remember he was going to pay big vbucks for that.

 

[NDBoiler]

Did NDBoiler ever pay up to the person who posted his announcement first? I remember he was going to pay big vbucks for that.

LOL, I haven't forgotten! I am looking for someone to give some (honest) assistance in tracking down who was the first. With the whole IE and live feed freeze up, I wasnt able to be around when the first report came in, so I am hoping to get some help on it.

 

[clashmore_mike]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I needa start recruiting the 14' class haha. Gonna go for recruiter of the year like Aziz did last year haha.</p>— EV4™ (@EddieVanderdoes) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieVanderdoes/status/300677022282297344">February 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[NDPhilly]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I needa start recruiting the 14' class haha. Gonna go for recruiter of the year like Aziz did last year haha.</p>— EV4™ (@EddieVanderdoes) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieVanderdoes/status/300677022282297344">February 10, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Assuming he means Aziz Shittu for Stanford