'11 FL DE Aaron Lynch (USF Transfer)

[AdmiralBackhand]

 

[RyCo1983]

Can't wait to see what this kid looks like next year after Longo spends even more time with him...

No worries on the D-Line for 4 years folks.

 

[BeauBenken]

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[Whiskeyjack]

This 247 article discusses the top 10 recruits of 2011 and whether they've lived up to the hype thus far.

Jason Sapp provides the commentary for Lynch. Of particular interest to me is his insistence that Lynch is the #2 behind EJ.

Isn't EJ a SDE? Shouldn't Lynch be the #2 WDE behind KLM?

 

[t3hjc]

This 247 article discusses the top 10 recruits of 2011 and whether they've lived up to the hype thus far.

Jason Sapp provides the commentary for Lynch. Of particular interest to me is his insistence that Lynch is the #2 behind EJ.

Isn't EJ a SDE? Shouldn't Lynch be the #2 WDE behind KLM?

Watch the interview right above your post. Aaron specifically says he's behind Ethan, with KLM and Tuitt manning the other end.

 

[jason_h537]

This 247 article discusses the top 10 recruits of 2011 and whether they've lived up to the hype thus far.

Jason Sapp provides the commentary for Lynch. Of particular interest to me is his insistence that Lynch is the #2 behind EJ.

Isn't EJ a SDE? Shouldn't Lynch be the #2 WDE behind KLM?

So everyone is living up to expectations so far in practice. Sounds good. Lynch is playing behind EJ but in an interview with Rivals said he is learning both spots because if anything happens he is the next man in. Also mentioned Ethan has become a sort of mentor to him so far in camp

 

[no.1IrishFan]

This 247 article discusses the top 10 recruits of 2011 and whether they've lived up to the hype thus far.

Jason Sapp provides the commentary for Lynch. Of particular interest to me is his insistence that Lynch is the #2 behind EJ.

Isn't EJ a SDE? Shouldn't Lynch be the #2 WDE behind KLM?

When I watched him play at Island Coast it didn't matter what side he was on. I know that the talent level is WAY different, but he was literally double teamed on both sides and it was clear that he was more than comfortable on either side.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Watch the interview right above your post. Aaron specifically says he's behind Ethan, with KLM and Tuitt manning the other end.

Perhaps I'm just an idiot then. Is EJ our the WDE and KLM the SDE?

 

[rtrn2glory]

EJ is sde from my understanding

 

[RDU Irish]

Just doing my part to get this to 2000 posts. Can't wait to see these young guns in action!

 

[mgriff]

R2G is correct, but I'd like to add a little insight as to why. EJ is SDE most of the time, because it is required to fit the five technique. EJ bumps in and allows our cat to get on the outside for pass rushing. They are, however, interchangeable, but with Ethan being a bit bigger, and with some experience in a five (from our 4-3 days), he is SDE. It's pretty arbitrary though, because you never know where the fourth is coming from, so there really is no reason to label strong and weak.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I think I discovered the source of my confusion.

In Diaco's 3-4, the WDE moves to a 3-tech on passing downs so the Cat can come down and play a 5-tech (KLM, Tuitt, etc.) Conversely, the SDE rarely slides inside, so he's always attacking the edge.

Lynch, who would be a pass-rushing WDE in a 4-3, is a SDE in a 3-4 so that he's always on the edge. At least I hope that's how it works.

The only other possibility I can see is that the Dog frequently plays on the line, thereby pushing the SDE inside, which would mean there's very little difference between SDE and WDE in Diaco's 3-4. I don't think that's the case, but I'm clearly not coming from a position of knowledge here.

 

[mgriff]

there's very little difference between SDE and WDE in Diaco's 3-4.

Exactly. If we need to asign positions, Ethan's history playing next to Ian Williams in the 4-3 means he's more experienced on the inside, and would ideally fit that gap. Ultimately, they are interchangable, and the only reason value is assigned is for the depth chart.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Exactly. If we need to asign positions, Ian's history playing next to Ian Williams in the 4-3 means he's more experienced on the inside, and would ideally fit that gap. Ultimately, they are interchangable, and the only reason value is assigned is for the depth chart.

I have a hard time believing there's that little difference between the DE positions in Diaco's scheme. That'd be like saying the Dog and Cat OLB positions are completely interchangeable.

The offense is running at the SDE more often, the SDE is frequently dealing with a TE + OT double team, but the SDE is also on the edge more frequently, putting him in a better position to pass rush (maybe?)

I have to believe that the staff will put Lynch in the best possible position to get after the QB when necessary, but the responsibilities of a 3-4 DE strike me as almost antithetical to pass-rushing. Maybe I'm just over-thinking this...

 

[Rack Em]

I think I discovered the source of my confusion.

In Diaco's 3-4, the WDE moves to a 3-tech on passing downs so the Cat can come down and play a 5-tech (KLM, Tuitt, etc.) Conversely, the SDE rarely slides inside, so he's always attacking the edge.

Lynch, who would be a pass-rushing WDE in a 4-3, is a SDE in a 3-4 so that he's always on the edge. At least I hope that's how it works.

The only other possibility I can see is that the Dog frequently plays on the line, thereby pushing the SDE inside, which would mean there's very little difference between SDE and WDE in Diaco's 3-4. I don't think that's the case, but I'm clearly not coming from a position of knowledge here.

Hey Whiskey, I think this is a good visual of what you're talking about.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but on passing downs our 4-3 would look like this (from left to right):

Cat (5 tech), WDE (3 tech), NT (1 or 0 tech depending), SDE (5 tech)

 

[mgriff]

I have a hard time believing there's that little difference between the DE positions in Diaco's scheme. That'd be like saying the Dog and Cat OLB positions are completely interchangeable.

The offense is running at the SDE more often, the SDE is frequently dealing with a TE + OT double team, but the SDE is also on the edge more frequently, putting him in a better position to pass rush (maybe?)

I have to believe that the staff will put Lynch in the best possible position to get after the QB when necessary, but the responsibilities of a 3-4 DE strike me as almost antithetical to pass-rushing. Maybe I'm just over-thinking this...

It offers versatility, meaning on passing downs we can obviously let Lynch go get the QB. When our starters are out there, and we are attempting to confuse the defense, the positions are the same, because you don't know where the fourth is coming from. Of course they are labeled differently, but it's up to Diaco's call as to who is doing what. I said before, that ideally, Ethan will be strong side because of his experience kicked down in the 4-3, but ultimately, they are completely interchangeable in the 3-4.

I'm flying home tomorrow, so when I get there, I'll compose a submission about the 3-4. There actually may be a thread from last year where we ironed all this out, it may be worth a search.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It offers versatility, meaning on passing downs we can obviously let Lynch go get the QB.

But some positions on the DL are easier to pass rush from than others, no? That's why we'll try to keep Lynch on the edge as much as possible; at least I hope that's what we'll do.

When our starters are out there, and we are attempting to confuse the defense, the positions are the same, because you don't know where the fourth is coming from.

This I understand. Diaco can dial up pressure from either the Dog or the Cat very easily from an odd-front look. However, in our even-front looks, is Lynch on the edge or the interior? Does the Dog ever play with his hand on the ground? Does it really matter? These are the questions I'm trying to answer.

Of course they are labeled differently, but it's up to Diaco's call as to who is doing what. I said before, that ideally, Ethan will be strong side because of his experience kicked down in the 4-3, but ultimately, they are completely interchangeable in the 3-4.

Unless the Dog OLB frequently puts his hand down, EJ should almost always be on the edge, no? As I understand it, it's usually the Cat putting his hand down in our even-front looks, which moves KLM/Tuitt inside.

 

[mgriff]

But some positions on the DL are easier to pass rush from than others, no? That's why we'll try to keep Lynch on the edge as much as possible; at least I hope that's what we'll do.



This is understand. Diaco can dial up pressure from either the Dog or the Cat very easily from an odd-front look. However, in our even-front looks, is Lynch on the edge or the interior? Does the Dog ever play with his hand on the ground? Does it really matter? These are the questions I'm trying to answer.



Unless the Dog OLB frequently puts his hand down, EJ should almost always be on the edge, no? As I understand it, it's usually the Cat putting his hand down in our even-front looks, which moves KLM/Tuitt inside.

Yes, the Cat puts his hand down, and that's what I'm saying, Ethan has experience playing inside in a 4-3 which is what the front will do, Kick Ethan inside. When Lynch comes on, he'll be on the edge, of that I'm sure. How Diaco will do it, I have no idea, but they aren't going to utilize him like Ethan and kick him inside, at least I don't think so. I can't recall the Dog putting his hand down, so we'll just have to wait and see how Diaco gets Lynch on the edge. Most likely, he'll swap positions with KAP to get Lynch the outside. Lynch may be listed behind EJ because KAP can run more snaps, meaning that is how Lynch will get on the field more, but him and KAP will just switch responsibilities.

What we are doing right now, is what opposing offensive coordinators will be doing, trying to figure out what the hell is going on. I'm off the watch Liverpool in the Carling Cup though, so I'll be back later.

 

[adsnorri]

Aaron did a hell of a job rushing the passer from the inside of the 4-3 in the spring game. Just ask trevor robinson... The guy he put a swim move on in the spring game. Andrew hendrix will second that!

 

[hrc08]

Jadeveon Clowney, Malcolm Brown among 15 instant-impact freshmen - Andy Staples - SI.com

Congrats to Aaron.

 

[tadman95]

Beast is on the front page of SI.com. Probably won't last long.

Breaking news, real-time scores and daily analysis from Sports Illustrated – SI.com

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Missed it. Thanks though.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I love the picture of Lynch they used on the cover.

"I will spare your insignificant life QB... this time."

 

[BeauBenken]

Missed it. Thanks though.

It's still up. It's just the second slide.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

jsantos22, retweeted by Aaron:

@19lynch19 I'll bet ur wishing you'd have stayed at home with FSU or UF right now don't u? Have fun watching bowl games from ur couch. Ha!

ts3232, retweeted by Aaron:

@19lynch19 Irish 0-2. Fsu is 2-0. Good choice enjoy next week when sparty gets you.

I could be wrong, but this strikes me as a very bad sign that Aaron is retweeting these haters. Sounds like he's having doubts.

Forget our 2012 verbals. We may lose the best player from 2011 if we don't get our sh!t together fast.

 

[TerryTate]

jsantos22, retweeted by Aaron:



ts3232, retweeted by Aaron:



I could be wrong, but this strikes me as a very bad sign that Aaron is retweeting these haters. Sounds like he's having doubts.

Forget our 2012 verbals. We may lose the best player from 2011 if we don't get our sh!t together fast.

You don't think he's trying to fire up the team?

Why would he want to go back to FSU with those dbags harassing him?

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

This is a very common thing actually. From pros to comedians to cfb players, a lot of people retweet what haters write so that others will see the garbage they are typing and lash back at them. Aaron can't really say anything back to these guys so retweet it and have some angry ND fans tweet at them.


I have no concerns about Aaron.

 

[phgreek]

This is a very common thing actually. From pros to comedians to cfb players, a lot of people retweet what haters write so that others will see the garbage they are typing and lash back at them. Aaron can't really say anything back to these guys so retweet it and have some angry ND fans tweet at them.


I have no concern about Aaron having doubts.

makes sense...thank god I don't do the twitter thing...I'd get myself in trouble...

 

[anarin]

Wow, louisiana monroe and charleston southern.. FSU beat some world beaters.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Did he really not play Sat night? It seems as if someone made a comment to that effect in the game thread and I was damn sure looking for him to blow something (or someone) up in the game, but never saw him (or Tuitt for that matter). Did I miss it? If indeed they didn't play, was there info about why they didn't? Appreciate any insight. Gotta get this guy into the Sparty backfield on Sat and wreak some havoc.