Quarterback Competition Update (4-11-11)

[Emcee77]

random note..does TR remind any of you of graham harrell? I understand graham was deadly in Leach's spread offense.. but athleticism wise and throwing mechanics, He just reminds me of graham.. Random thought... sorry I am extremely bored...

by the way...Team Hendrix

yes, good comparison.

See, if you had said that I would've totally agreed. That's why I called them "iffy." I also could've used the word "suspect." But terrible? Terrible is a gross overstatement.

Blanton played at a very high level all year. So did Smith. Slaughter had moments of brilliance. Zeke Motta and Gary Gray left a lot to be desired. Both have fatal flaws (foot speed for Zeke, ability to play the ball in the air for Gray). They were both quite inconsistent and "terrible" at times. But truly terrible is Oklahoma's DBs against Oklahoma State or Washington against Baylor or Clemson against West Virginia.

More often than he failed, Gary Gray succeeded last year. It was the timing and manner of his failures that gives him a bad wrap. I still bet he gets invited to NFL camps and might even make a roster with some luck.

Right, this makes the critical distinction here between terrible, like he does nothing well, and good but with some (sometimes glaring) weaknesses. Gray was good in coverage and great in run support (which is critical for the boundary corner in our system); he just didn't have great ball skills. I don't think that makes him terrible; only the best players have no weaknesses. Gray was a pretty good player whose weakness happened to be exposed in a very public and dramatic way, often at key times.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Footspeed for Motta? Maybe, decisiveness, but not foot speed.

Don't you find it ironic that they took the hijack of one thread and moved it over here so everyone had a place to bitch about the qb play, and now talk of the defensive secondary has hijacked this thread?

 

[Emcee77]

lol, Trotter, I was just thinking that. And no one more to blame than me; I can never stay on topic.

 

[woolybug25]

Don't you find it ironic that they took the hijack of one thread and moved it over here so everyone had a place to bitch about the qb play, and now talk of the defensive secondary has hijacked this thread?

Now that we have Kiel at Notre Dame.... anybody still want Mauk?

 

[amgarvey]

Now that we have Kiel at Notre Dame.... anybody still want Mauk?

Good point. No, I'm quite happy with Gunner thank you.

 

[TDHeysus]

I think poise is needed, but is that really a fall back? They way I view it, to be a good qb, you need poise. But, just because you have poise, doesn't mean you are a good qb.

I agree with your logic; poise does not mean your a great QB. But all the great QB's have poise. All the great QB's are 'cool customers' and dont get too far up when things are good, and they dont get too far down when things go bad. Anti-Bipolar if you will

A good example of a QB with talent, but very little poise: Jim Everett when he was with the LA Rams.

As far as a 'fallback', I believe poise is the ultimate fallback. As a mental fallback If everything else fails, I still have the confidence to persevere. If you dont have that poise, and 'everything else fails' you run for your life, but not a 'cool customer' QB. ive said many times poise is one of those 'intangibles' that coaches are always talking about. but I would like to add that the QB needs more than poise to be successful.

Tommy needs to develop his talent (obviously) but he shows more poise then I ever remember seeing Jim Everett displaying.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I agree with your logic; poise does not mean your a great QB. But all the great QB's have poise. All the great QB's are 'cool customers' and dont get too far up when things are good, and they dont get too far down when things go bad. Anti-Bipolar if you will

A good example of a QB with talent, but very little poise: Jim Everett when he was with the LA Rams.

As far as a 'fallback', I believe poise is the ultimate fallback. As a mental fallback If everything else fails, I still have the confidence to persevere. If you dont have that poise, and 'everything else fails' you run for your life, but not a 'cool customer' QB. ive said many times poise is one of those 'intangibles' that coaches are always talking about. but I would like to add that the QB needs more than poise to be successful.

Tommy needs to develop his talent (obviously) but he shows more poise then I ever remember seeing Jim Everett displaying.

Spot on with Jim, er , Chris Everett.

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[Bogtrotter07]

Spot on with Jim, er , Chris Everett.

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This is not a confrontation. This is all out warfare.

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[Irishman77]

Just watched the latest qb video on und.

Golson is like a super model taking advanced physics. He is fun to watch blazing past pressure, but thinking so much he drops the snap. I want so badly for him to start this year and hope he can get it done mentally.


Hendrix is the alt qb but mentally has what Golson lacks. He will either start or play in pkgs. not a fan of 2 qbs, but we must this year.

Rees looks like a solid backup in gym shorts or no pressure....I will leave it at that.


Kiel is the future and starter 2013-2016. Kid is special.

 

[BGIF]

The Ode To The ND QB Saga

The Ode To The ND QB Saga

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bogtrotter07
Edited by BGIF

"...

Come writers and critics who prophesize with your pens
And keep your eyes open, the chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon, the wheel's still in spin
And there's no telling who that it's naming
Oh the loser will be later to win
For the times, they are a changing

...

The line, it is drawn, the curse, it is cast
The slow one will later be fast
And the present now will soon be the past
The order is rapidly fading
The first one now will later be last
For the times, they are a changing"


Do we have a winner?

 

[PANDFAN]

Just watched the latest qb video on und.

Golson is like a super model taking advanced physics. He is fun to watch blazing past pressure, but thinking so much he drops the snap. I want so badly for him to start this year and hope he can get it done mentally.


Hendrix is the alt qb but mentally has what Golson lacks. He will either start or play in pkgs. not a fan of 2 qbs, but we must this year.

Rees looks like a solid backup in gym shorts or no pressure....I will leave it at that.


Kiel is the future and starter 2013-2016. Kid is special.

this has been the exact opposite of what has been said from coaches about hendrix

also, i forget who said it but he is appologizing for a miss throw and a coach said he needs to quite w/ that and move on to the next throw

 

[BGIF]

this has been the exact opposite of what has been said from coaches about hendrix

^

... and what Hendix has said about Hendrix.

 

[NDdomer2]

Unfortunately, Hendrix is starting to sound like D.C. 2.0

 

[Ignats]

Just watched the latest qb video on und.

Golson is like a super model taking advanced physics. He is fun to watch blazing past pressure, but thinking so much he drops the snap. I want so badly for him to start this year and hope he can get it done mentally.


Hendrix is the alt qb but mentally has what Golson lacks. He will either start or play in pkgs. not a fan of 2 qbs, but we must this year.

Rees looks like a solid backup in gym shorts or no pressure....I will leave it at that.


Kiel is the future and starter 2013-2016. Kid is special.

Sounds like what I've heard as well. I talked to someone on the team and they said Gunner is very special but is not ready yet. I did hear something about Golson though that is interesting. Apparently he has looked the part however has showed up late to several meetings and even walked into a practice late recently.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

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Edited by BGIF

I'm pretty fukin' ingenious, ain't I?

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[Bogtrotter07]

Okay I will straigten it out. All the qbs are having problems knowing the playbook except TR who only makes the bad plays under pressure. AH is too appologetic. EG is getting it but was to sporadic. He was late (15 min) to one meeting because he overslept. He is coming on strong. Gunnar is good, a coaches dream in terms of personality and learning, but way too raw. TR had a play to throw, receivers were all covered but threw it out for zero gain; the coach asked him why he didn't run/slide for three or four yards. He didn't know. Most qbs aren't rolling out wide to buy time and look for a receiver.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

In otherwords: there is a bunch of weak shiit posted above.

 

[NDdomer2]

Do you usually follow up your posts with your own post?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Only if I have posted before . . .

 

[NDhoosier]

Only if I have posted before . . .

It's there for a reason

 

[calvegas04]

Okay I will straigten it out. All the qbs are having problems knowing the playbook except TR who only makes the bad plays under pressure.

Pretty sure Tommy never really feels the pressure, at least he never looks like he is under pressure.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Pretty sure Tommy never really feels the pressure, at least he never looks like he is under pressure.

That's not what the coaches said 4/14 through the qb special edition on the 16th.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

RT @schadjoe: ND Coach Brian Kelly open to using two QBs, for example Rees and Hendrix or Golson

RT @schadjoe: Brian Kelly says Andrew Hendrix is the best thrower and runner but there are areas that must improve including consistency

 

[DillonHall]

RT @schadjoe: ND Coach Brian Kelly open to using two QBs, for example Rees and Hendrix or Golson

RT @schadjoe: Brian Kelly says Andrew Hendrix is the best thrower and runner but there are areas that must improve including consistency

Where's Schad getting this info?

 

[IrishLax]

Where's Schad getting this info?

He did an interview with Kelly

 

[anarin]

As much as I like Hendrix, he's a %50 thrower at best. Alot like Crist in terms of accuracy. IMO!

 

[IrishLax]

As much as I like Hendrix, he's a %50 thrower at best. Alot like Crist in terms of accuracy. IMO!

Don't think we've seen enough from him to know that.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I think that Coach has rather roundly hinted to us recently that the only thing between young Andrew and getting the keys to the Rolls Royce is leadership. He doesn't act the part. Kelly came very close to emphasizing that in one of the latest press conferences. Will Andrew get the chones to grab the job and the team by the throat? He does not seem to naturally have that personality. We want a full Man at QB and right now Andrew is not yet there --- fingers crossed for some testosterone rushes and confidence. Kelly has always said that Hendrix has the fastest delivery and is a willing physical runner. Kelly wants him to take charge. The only QB that I'm getting the vibes that the offense responds to as a leader now is Tommy [like it or not]. We need a brain transplant expert badly.

 

[IrishLax]

Everyone at the Observer seems thoroughly convinced Hendrix will start. There was an article to that effect today, and then there was one with season predictions where just about everyone simply assumes Hendrix is the guy. Very interesting.

 

[Irish#1]

I think that Coach has rather roundly hinted to us recently that the only thing between young Andrew and getting the keys to the Rolls Royce is leadership. He doesn't act the part. Kelly came very close to emphasizing that in one of the latest press conferences. Will Andrew get the chones to grab the job and the team by the throat? He does not seem to naturally have that personality. We want a full Man at QB and right now Andrew is not yet there --- fingers crossed for some testosterone rushes and confidence. Kelly has always said that Hendrix has the fastest delivery and is a willing physical runner. Kelly wants him to take charge. The only QB that I'm getting the vibes that the offense responds to as a leader now is Tommy [like it or not]. We need a brain transplant expert badly.

The problem there is if he's not feeling comfortable enough to take charge he probably never will. He needs to be able to split leadership apart from expected physical performance, at least in his mind It sounds like he's afraid to take command because he's making mistakes and doesn't have a full grasp of the position. Leaders make mistakes all the time. They just don't worry about them all the time.

The more I read, the more I think TR will be the starter again.