'09 FL P Ben Turk (ND Verbal 6/11/08)

[NDdomer2]

He isn't joking. They have reported on Ben's benching brilliance before.

If bench pressing won football games it probably wouldn't be called football.

 

[Irishnuke]

Where did you read this? I'm not doubting you but I really hope it isn't true. If true, this would put us well in the bottom 25% of all D1 programs. At the D3 school I went to, there were at least 5 guys above 30. Now, I'm not saying that bench press is the end all be all, or even a very good indicator of team strength. But, if true, this wouldn't even put us in the same universe numbers-wise with any top programs and, at a certain point, that wide a gap even on a fairly inapplicable exercise as the bench press does indicate a severe disadvantage in team strength.

I'm just hoping that somehow you misread or the reporter misunderstood or something, anything that would make this not true.

Interesting stat. Where did you get this info from?

 

[SoDakDomer]

Maybe he should work on his punting as much as his bench in the offseason and he wouldn't shank the first 5 punts of the season again.

 

[BeauBenken]

God bless it. I was hoping we'd never have to go over this again, but Longo doesn't train guys to have that kind of muscle endurance. When during a single play are you using that kind of movement that many times? Simple answer, never. Where most coaches would say to go 3x10, Longo prefers 10x3. You can lift heavier weight and (just like in football) you're using those muscles for about 5 seconds and then resting.

The guys who are the best at lifting like that are two guys who have been here for over 4 years, in other words, they got there by themselves or because of the S&C coach under Charlie.

 

[irishog77]

I wonder how many reps Carrot Top could jack up?

 

[Old Man Mike]

My Olympic Weight-lifting coach/brother just spat crap out his mouth from feeling IE vibes about this stone-age hulk-bench-reps "problem". He is putting super-explosive athletes into college football programs with essentially NO --- I repeat, NO --- bench pressing. When are we going to get these concepts behind us??

 

[Emcee77]

Yep. The recent profile on Onwualu was interesting in this regard. He has never lifted weights in his life. It's all stuff that uses his own body weight as resistance. Predictably, he doesn't have great bench press numbers, but on the field he is rock solid.

 

[BGIF]

God bless it. I was hoping we'd never have to go over this again, but Longo doesn't train guys to have that kind of muscle endurance. When during a single play are you using that kind of movement that many times? Simple answer, never. Where most coaches would say to go 3x10, Longo prefers 10x3. You can lift heavier weight and (just like in football) you're using those muscles for about 5 seconds and then resting.

The guys who are the best at lifting like that are two guys who have been here for over 4 years, in other words, they got there by themselves or because of the S&C coach under Charlie.

Longo didn't train him to do it. Turk benched 375 as a 190 pound HS Junior. When he arrived on campus as an incoming freshman he put up 405 and lifted 225, 26 times. It not Longo nor was it Mendoza before him. It's Turk.

 

[Kak7304]

Where's mbeckha when you need him?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Where's mbeckha when you need him?

No doubt laughing at this thread.

 

[NDBoiler]

Ahh yes, the ol' punter bench press debate thread...

 

[irishog77]

My Olympic Weight-lifting coach/brother just spat crap out his mouth from feeling IE vibes about this stone-age hulk-bench-reps "problem". He is putting super-explosive athletes into college football programs with essentially NO --- I repeat, NO --- bench pressing. When are we going to get these concepts behind us??

When the NFL ceases to put an emphasis on it by making it an event at their draft combine.

Any of us can love it, hate it, or anything in between, but the NFL uses it as a parameter for evaluating players.

 

[Irishnuke]

When the NFL ceases to put an emphasis on it by making it an event at their draft combine.

Any of us can love it, hate it, or anything in between, but the NFL uses it as a parameter for evaluating players.

Pfffft...what do they know?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Pfffft...what do they know?

Either the kid can kick or not. He's proven the latter to this point in general. It doesn't matter how yolked up you are when your sole purpose is to put foot to ball and fall down writhing in pain when someone gets within 8 feet of you.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Hog: Yeh, I know. My brother has actually demonstrated the superiority of the "new" on-your-feet training schemes to several of these guys, and the old hounds still won't change the way they've always done it. Still, more and more converts to the new more explosive training systems are occurring every year. When the old bastards finally die, the change will be completed.

By the way, this, in its larger context, is why I think that Kelly is the way for ND to come back. He is not very constrained at all by conventional "systems thinking" but has strength of conviction enough to break old rules and lead rather than follow. If Notre Dame is to regain its lost advantage in college football, it will be by creative superior systemic thinking not trying to outdo the semi-pro teams old-style.

 

[NDhoosier]

Cross-fit training > weightlifting... is that what I am hearing?

 

[peoriairish]

Cross-fit training > weightlifting... is that what I am hearing?

This is what you are hearing and it is true. Weightlifting, in the traditional sense, works in single plane motions. When does an athlete ever perform an activity with 12 reps in a single plane? Mashing Olympic powerlifting and 'cross-fit' training would be the most effective way to train an athlete. The caveat to this is that the work-outs must be tailored to what the athlete is to do on the field. This is why a WR will have a different routine vs a OL. Sport specific training is the way to go.

 

[NDinFL]

Somebody get mbeckha

 

[NDhoosier]

This is what you are hearing and it is true. Weightlifting, in the traditional sense, works in single plane motions. When does an athlete ever perform an activity with 12 reps in a single plane? Mashing Olympic powerlifting and 'cross-fit' training would be the most effective way to train an athlete. The caveat to this is that the work-outs must be tailored to what the athlete is to do on the field. This is why a WR will have a different routine vs a OL. Sport specific training is the way to go.

oh, I agree, I do a little bit of both, but I realize that cross-fit training does more for me...

 

[rtrn2glory]

can he play DE??

 

[BGIF]

can he play DE??

He's got the chest for it!

 

[pwt3]

Apparently new people can't start threads, so all the topics I wanted to cover in one thread I'll have to put in more specific threads.

Topic #1 - who's punting next year? Turk is the only one on the roster and he's out of eligibility. Can Brindza punt? We may be (MAY be, you don't know till after the season really) running out of spots, would be a shame to have to spend one on a punter.

 

[PLACforever]

Apparently new people can't start threads, so all the topics I wanted to cover in one thread I'll have to put in more specific threads.

Topic #1 - who's punting next year? Turk is the only one on the roster and he's out of eligibility. Can Brindza punt? We may be (MAY be, you don't know till after the season really) running out of spots, would be a shame to have to spend one on a punter.

Do you mean a thread?
Brindza and Jude Rhodes are both listed as Kicker/Punter

*Reps for a solid question and welcome to IE*

 

[NDdomer2]

Once you have ten posts you can start threads I believe.

 

[NDdomer2]

Turk Steps Up - UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site

 

[clashmore_mike]

Any update on Ben's health? Took a brutal hit on the punt late in Southern Cal game...

 

[KPENN]

Any update on Ben's health? Took a brutal hit on the punt late in Southern Cal game...

 

[clashmore_mike]

 

[Irish8248]

hes just a verbal -- plenty of time to heal before he signs his LOI

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Any update on Ben's health? Took a brutal hit on the punt late in Southern Cal game...

Forgot italics or going rogue?