'12 AZ WR Davonte Neal (Arizona Transfer)

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Agree with most of this except that I would be more excited about seeing Neal in the Slot position. He could also be a tremendous corner back. I doubt we will see him play both ways, but he has the ability to do it.

That could be, but I tend to think the lack of bodies on the outside could push him out wide with Toma looking to have broken through as a reliable slot receiver last year. I think this is especially true if TJ Jones doesn't pick his game up in a big way next season.

Whatever the case, I just want to see him choose ND.
 

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Davonte’ Neal won’t take visit to Arizona - AG's Wildcat Report

I dont know if this was brought up yet, but he missed his official visit to Arizona and based on this article it sounds like he does not plan on visiting with them before he makes his commitment on the 21st. Article also had another intersting quote from dad:

Asked about what is most important in choosing the school, Luke Neal said, “The ability to be able to play right away and to graduate.”

Based on the situation and all the comments out of the Neal camp you would think ND would be the leader in the clubhouse, but who knows. With the way this recruiting cycle has gone I almost fully expect to be disappointed. Hope I am wrong.
 

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I can't believe I am still following this thread..........recruiting for 2012 SHOULD be over.....how can we speed this up??? LOL
 

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Asked about what is most important in choosing the school, Luke Neal said, “The ability to be able to play right away and to graduate.”

He could probably play right away at ND. As for graduating, he can do that anywhere. It would be a lot easier to graduate from an easier school. I wonder whether he wants a good degree to go with graduating.
 

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He could probably play right away at ND. As for graduating, he can do that anywhere. It would be a lot easier to graduate from an easier school. I wonder whether he wants a good degree to go with graduating.

That's probably the key to this "equation" ... how high profiled degree matters to him. One would think that the tools, process and support resources that ND has in place to assist their students has to be a major factor in his decision. Who knows but the Neal's I guess. Stay tuned in 9 days!
 

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I agree

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He could probably play right away at ND. As for graduating, he can do that anywhere. It would be a lot easier to graduate from an easier school. I wonder whether he wants a good degree to go with graduating.

But why is it, ND's Grad rate is so high and "easier" schools are so low? If Neal wants to play early and graduate with a meaningful degree, ND is his best option. If he wants to get a degree in Parks and Recreation, Exercise planning, PE or Kinesiology, go elsewhere. Or, at 5'9" 180 lbs., College is just a stepping stone to "the League", he should re-think it.
 

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But why is it, ND's Grad rate is so high and "easier" schools are so low? If Neal wants to play early and graduate with a meaningful degree, ND is his best option. If he wants to get a degree in Parks and Recreation, Exercise planning, PE or Kinesiology, go elsewhere. Or, at 5'9" 180 lbs., College is just a stepping stone to "the League", he should re-think it.

Black player graduation rates and rates of return on ND degrees mean jack squat to this kids, thats why.
 

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Black player graduation rates and rates of return on ND degrees mean jack squat to this kids, thats why.

Yup, this is a football-first kid. I think ND presents a lot of attractive football-first options for him too (if Kelly actually tries selling that instead of just the value of the degree). I think his father is receptive to a lot of what ND is saying though... but like we saw with Brian Poole parental influence only goes so far.

I expect him to end up at UNC, personally... unless they get a little scared off by sanctions. I think ND has a shot, but we need to close hard explaining why it's the best football-first choice for him.
 

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Graduation rates do not correlate with ease. They correlate to commitment to education. If he is saying "graduation" is a high priority, he obviously doesn't think all schools are equal in that regard. ND graduates more players because they are committed to graduating more players. Other schools are committed to other things. Some kids say this and don't mean it, other kids are easily duped by disingenuous coaches, but families understand there is a difference between Northwestern and Auburn.

The draw of UNC seems to be its an awesome location (and place to be) that he is comfortable with because of family. Football and academics are good, but not better than ND. I don't see how UNC beats ND in either of these categories. I think Neal comes to ND over UNC.
 
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Graduation rates do not correlate with ease. They correlate to commitment to education. If he is saying "graduation" is a high priority, he obviously doesn't think all schools are equal in that regard. ND graduates more players because they are committed to graduating more players. Other schools are committed to other things.

I don't see how UNC beats ND in either of these categories.

I think Neal comes to ND.

I don't think UNC beats ND either... but look at the person Neal responded to the most. Urban Meyer, saying they're going to use him like Percy Harvin. Then UNC says they're going to design an offense around him, have him return the opening kickoff, and let him play both ways.

ND is recruiting him hard and showing love, but their sticking point is "come to Notre Dame for Notre Dame." I'm not sure if that's what he wants to hear.
 

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Graduation rates do not correlate with ease. They correlate to commitment to education. If he is saying "graduation" is a high priority, he obviously doesn't think all schools are equal in that regard. ND graduates more players because they are committed to graduating more players. Other schools are committed to other things. Some kids say this and don't mean it, other kids are easily duped by disingenuous coaches, but families understand there is a difference between Northwestern and Auburn.

The draw of UNC seems to be its an awesome location (and place to be) that he is comfortable with because of family. Football and academics are good, but not better than ND. I don't see how UNC beats ND in either of these categories. I think Neal comes to ND over UNC.

Greenberry @ Houston disagrees.
 
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I don't think UNC beats ND either... but look at the person Neal responded to the most. Urban Meyer, saying they're going to use him like Percy Harvin. Then UNC says they're going to design an offense around him, have him return the opening kickoff, and let him play both ways.

ND is recruiting him hard and showing love, but their sticking point is "come to Notre Dame for Notre Dame." I'm not sure if that's what he wants to hear.

Which is why having Luke Neal on our side is the best thing going for us.
 
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Graduation rates do not correlate with ease. They correlate to commitment to education. If he is saying "graduation" is a high priority, he obviously doesn't think all schools are equal in that regard. ND graduates more players because they are committed to graduating more players. Other schools are committed to other things.

I don't see how UNC beats ND in either of these categories.

I think Neal comes to ND.

I don't think UNC beats ND either... but look at the person Neal responded to the most. Urban Meyer, saying they're going to use him like Percy Harvin. Then UNC says they're going to design an offense around him, have him return the opening kickoff, and let him play both ways.

ND is recruiting him hard and showing love, but their sticking point is "come to Notre Dame for Notre Dame." I'm not sure if that's what he wants to hear.

Last time I checked, it doesn't matter what the facts are; it doesn't even matter what we, or the proverbially everybody thinks; it only matter what Mssrs. Neal think.
 

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I can see what Lax is saying about UNC, but I don't see Davonte headed there. If you think UNC is going balls to the wall for him, you're not noticing what Zona is doing to try to land him.
 

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I can see what Lax is saying about UNC, but I don't see Davonte headed there. If you think UNC is going balls to the wall for him, you're not noticing what Zona is doing to try to land him.

The trend this recruiting cycle has been that these big time WR recruits are staying home and it will be interesting to see if that trend continues with Neal. If this were the case though I find it strange that he is not planning on visiting Arizona and Rich Rodriguez before he makes a commitment. Notre Dame would seem to be the "logical choice" based on everything we know at this point and what has been said, but again, in recruiting things are rarely ever logical when it comes to 18 year old's choosing colleges. Ask Tee's cousin.
 

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Last time I checked, it doesn't matter what the facts are; it doesn't even matter what we, or the proverbially everybody thinks; it only matter what Mssrs. Neal think.

That is a valid point for some recruits, though some take all of that stuff very seriously. And of course it doesn't matter what we think, I just happen to think we are well positioned here.

Most of the time kid and his family want a good education, but not nearly as much as they think. Generally, I tend to discount the importance of "education" on a kid's decision unless a kid is focusing on schools like ND, Stanford, Duke, UVA, Northwestern. These are schools that non-athletes fight to get into, so a kid that prioritized academics would logically place them at the top. What I think most families mean is that I want a place where academics is not going to be an afterthought, and will serve their son well-enough if things don't pan out. They don't really mean academics is priority #1, more like a non-negotiable bar that has to be overcome and then is forgotten about. Sometimes a parent like Ms. Floyd or Ms. Lynch (and perhaps Mr. Neal) step in and really make education/graduation priority one, but most families--especially the one's we recruit--figure their kid is going to graduate from whatever school he goes to, and the diploma sounds fine to them.

When the recruitment is driven by the kid, I generally think its about fit. Where do I feel most comfortable? When a kid really feels comfortable at ND, the other stuff tend to make the decision easy.

UNC is a pretty awesome place, but so is ND. Based on the interviews after his visit, I think Neal generally felt like ND is a place where he would fit in and enjoy himself. When a kid really fits in more than one place, I think the other stuff comes in as a soft tie-breaker. In this case I think ND has football and academics on its side, and UNC has location and some other stuff on its side. My guess is that this one goes to ND, although I am nothing more than hopeful. As Bogtrotter pointed out, no one knows for sure. I certainly don't.
 
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That would be swell, but I'm having a hard time getting worked up about what any expert or insider is saying at this point. We'll all know soon enough. Until then its just speculation.
 

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A lot of people don't even get a degree. Even less get a degree from a high quality institution like ND or Stanford. I understand when kids say education is important and pick a lower rated school. I like to think that a kid really cares about education when they consider the grad rates. Yes, a degree from ND will be better than say, Auburn. As long as the kid graduates, he can build his future from there. I hope Neal understands the difference that ND can do for him mixed with our grad rates. However, whatever school he chooses I wish him luck. I already respect the kid for telling Urbie no at his in home and delaying his decision till he felt it was right.

Best of luck on your future no matter where you end up Neal.
 

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How long is he expected to wait on signing an LOI? April 1st?
 
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My guess is that this one goes to ND, although I am nothing more than hopeful. As Bogtrotter pointed out, no one knows for sure. I certainly don't.

Mike Frank thinks he chooses ND

What I was trying to say is I don't know ****. The only thing I know is that if it doesn't hurry up and get warm enough I am going to take my bike out anyways!
 

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Blah. lol

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“@nfldraftupdate: I've been told by a source close to 4-star WR/CB Davonte Neal that the last available star player "sounds for sure" headed to #NotreDame.”
 
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