OK, I'm gonna get scolded for this analogy...

[FightingIrishLover7]

I was thinking about ND's future after losing Michael Floyd...

I came up with the possibility that losing Michael could become a blessing in disguise down the road (probably most apparent in 2013).

Here's my analogy...

Michael Floyd = Luke Harangody

Let me explain, after Luke Harangody graduated... ND started playing at a higher level. But, why? Luke was a college superstar.. He could fill out the stat sheets on any given night. But alas, ND started to distribute the wealth. They played as a team, they learned to make the offense flow through all five players on the court, Luke no longer dictated the success of the offense.

Now, Michael Floyd has graduated.. Undoubtedly one of the greatest WRs in ND history. With that said, we are losing a huge piece to the offense. However, Michael dictated so much of our offensive success... The games were he struggled to get the ball, ND struggled to move the chains (ala the Pitt no-offense show).

I believe that down the road (2013 most likely) this offense, under the direction of a new QB and new OC, will become balanced... And thus for, ND's offense will finally hit that "Kelly Offense" level.

I know its a bold theory/analogy... But, I feel like ND is yet to experience Kelly's true offensive dominance.



What's your two cents?

 

[NDinFL]

Addition by subtraction amigo

 

[ACamp1900]

I have said this also... Mike Floyd is one of my fav recent players... obviously... and this is NOT about HIM... make that clear...

but I think his absence may help the passing game next year... far too much reliance on MF this year... forcing Rees, or whoever, to spread the ball around more may improve multiple players at mutliple positions. At least I'm hoping... I have seen this happen before when the lone stud leaves... so it's not crazy

this^^

 

[NDinFL]

this^^

Lol, was waitin for that....

 

[zbikowski88]

I like your analogy

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Glad I have some agrees so far lol...

I know its a bold claim... but yes "addition by subtraction"

 

[NDinFL]

Glad I have some agrees so far lol...

I know its a bold claim... but yes "addition by subtraction"

The "brain trust" that is ACamp and I had some posts on this very subject

Here: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not.../66562-final-isd-power-hour-before-nsd-3.html

 

[tadman95]

Yea I agree. Of course, QB play that was say, a little more diverse, would have lowered his numbers (not ability) and brought others into play.

 

[Damion704]

Yes i agree with this. To me, TJ Jones looked really fast every time he caught the ball. Hopefully he gets some more attention this yr.

 

[military_irish]

I wrote this twice awhile ago but could only find the second one. Agree 100% with what you wrote.

I used this in another thread a week or so ago but I made an analogy to the ND mens basketball team.

When ND had Luke Harangody their whole offensive was run through him. They constantly looked for him. The team was destined for the NIT tourney then Harangody got hurt. The whole philosophy changed, they created the burn offense. Next thing you know they make the tourney. The next year they wondered if anyone could step up to fill his void, after he graduated. They then registered one of the best regular season's they have had in quite some time.

I am not saying the same will happen with the ND football team. But it will FORCE Rees to spread the ball to other options

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[BobD]

I don't mind your analogy, but in my humble opinion, Michael Floyd graduating will have nothing to do with Notre Dames success this year.

Now Teo and Eifert staying......HUGE!

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

The "brain trust" that is ACamp and I had some posts on this very subject

Here: http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not.../66562-final-isd-power-hour-before-nsd-3.html

Lol... I had no idea it was in there. I just got home from a night at the library. Great minds think alike!

I was talking to a friend about this today, that's why Im just now sharing tonight.

 

[Junkhead]

Michael Floyd was never really that good anyway. Tommy Rees made Floyd "passable". Satire mode off...

 

[NDinFL]

Lol... I had no idea it was in there. I just got home from a night at the library. Great minds think alike!

I was talking to a friend about this today, that's why Im just now sharing tonight.

Great minds indeed amigo.

With the void of Floyd leaving (I love rhyming) it will seemingly make someone step up to fill that gap.

I don't think it necessarily means it has to be a WR, it just as well end up that we run the ball more and use Cierre/Theo/GAIII

The addition by subtraction thing I think goes for the whole team as well.

No dis on Charlie's guys, but I just want to see BK's guys out there.

 

[woolybug25]

You're a wordsmith, sir. I doubt that you will get many negative responses in this thread.

But imagine if you would have titled it, "We Are Better Off Without Floyd".

The board would have imploded.

 

[NDinFL]

You're a wordsmith, sir. I doubt that you will get many negative responses in this thread.

But imagine if you would have titled it, "We Are Better Off Without Floyd".

The board would have imploded.

Truf

 

[ND NYC]

and think how fast all those new recievers willl be running around on the new field turf were putting in

 

[NDinFL]

and think how fast all those new recievers willl be running around on the new field turf were putting in

No Italics needed cabron...

Five Wide Fullbacks: Freshman All-Americans and Fieldturf - One Foot Down

 

[BeauBenken]

You ain't the first with the idea that this may happen. lol Or even the first to use that analogy.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

You ain't the first with the idea that this may happen. lol Or even the first to use that analogy.

Really? I've heard the idea of become better without Floyd...

But I never heard of a Luke reference.

I'm not trying to steal credit or intellectual property by any means, just sharing a random thought.

 

[NDinFL]

I wrote this twice awhile ago but could only find the second one. Agree 100% with what you wrote.

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Literally on the FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD

Lol, just bustin chops bro

 

[Mr. Larson]

I was thinking about ND's future after losing Michael Floyd...

I came up with the possibility that losing Michael could become a blessing in disguise down the road (probably most apparent in 2013).

Here's my analogy...

Michael Floyd = Luke Harangody

Let me explain, after Luke Harangody graduated... ND started playing at a higher level. But, why? Luke was a college superstar.. He could fill out the stat sheets on any given night. But alas, ND started to distribute the wealth. They played as a team, they learned to make the offense flow through all five players on the court, Luke no longer dictated the success of the offense.

Now, Michael Floyd has graduated.. Undoubtedly one of the greatest WRs in ND history. With that said, we are losing a huge piece to the offense. However, Michael dictated so much of our offensive success... The games were he struggled to get the ball, ND struggled to move the chains (ala the Pitt no-offense show).

I believe that down the road (2013 most likely) this offense, under the direction of a new QB and new OC, will become balanced... And thus for, ND's offense will finally hit that "Kelly Offense" level.

I know its a bold theory/analogy... But, I feel like ND is yet to experience Kelly's true offensive dominance.



What's your two cents?

From Nov 17th on the topic of the offense being better off without Mike Floyd:

Nope. MF is statistically, and arguably, the greatest receiver in the the history of ND. Also a tremendous blocker on the outside which allows the the read draws and bubble screens to be so successful. Floyd demands a double team at all times. That should be enough to open it up for other receivers to be successful.

Despite the double teams can you imagine what his numbers would look like this year if he had a QB capable of throwing at least a decent deep ball to him? BK has to invent ways to get the ball to Floyd on short passes and bubble screens.

Is Tommy our best chance of winning right now? Absolutely. And I love that he's a gamer. Is he the future? IDK...hoping for open competition for the spot next year.

Still wholeheartedly disagree the post I was responding to and the OP here.

Mardy Gilyard 2009: 87 catches 1191 yds 11 TDs
Floyd 2011: 100 catches 1147 yds 9 TDs

Smh at my use of "gamer". I was so lame back in November. Dammit!!

 

[clashmore_mike]

Classic case of the Ewing Theory.

 

[BeauBenken]

Really? I've heard the idea of become better without Floyd...

But I never heard of a Luke reference.

I'm not trying to steal credit or intellectual property by any means, just sharing a random thought.

Not trying to call you out. lol Just saying you won't get as blasted as you think.

Oh, and see MilitaryIrish's post on the first page of this thread.

 

[military_irish]

Literally on the FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD

Lol, just bustin chops bro

haha its all good. Just don't let it happen again.

 

[gkIrish]

Really? I've heard the idea of become better without Floyd...

But I never heard of a Luke reference.

I'm not trying to steal credit or intellectual property by any means, just sharing a random thought.

In my circle of friends we were convinced losing luke was the best thing to happen to our basketball team. But good analogy nonetheless.

 

[Brooklyn]

I dont think losing a talent like Michael helps us at all as a team but it does help the maturation of our quarterbacks. With a target like Floyd quarterbacks can get too dependant and not open the whole field. It will help whoever is back there develop into a better QB and see the whole field but without a security blanket like Floyd, we can and probably see a lot of struggles there.

So as a team it will not help us right now, but future-wise it should help because Golson/Kiel should develop better and make us a good future team passing wise.

 

[Mr. Larson]

Michael Floyd = Luke Harangody

Let me explain, after Luke Harangody graduated... ND started playing at a higher level. But, why? Luke was a college superstar.. He could fill out the stat sheets on any given night. But alas, ND started to distribute the wealth. They played as a team, they learned to make the offense flow through all five players on the court, Luke no longer dictated the success of the offense.

Now, Michael Floyd has graduated.. Undoubtedly one of the greatest WRs in ND history. With that said, we are losing a huge piece to the offense. However, Michael dictated so much of our offensive success... The games were he struggled to get the ball, ND struggled to move the chains (ala the Pitt no-offense show).

I believe that down the road (2013 most likely) this offense, under the direction of a new QB and new OC, will become balanced... And thus for, ND's offense will finally hit that "Kelly Offense" level.

I already replied, but didn't get a chance to finish my response last night (got called away from the computer)...In 2009 the "Kelly Offense" was running at it's highest level. Mardy Gilyard lead the team by a health margin in yds, rec's, and TDs (Gilyard also happens to be the Bearcats all time leader in receptions, yards, and TDs).

I do hope that in 2013 this offense will be better than it was this year (and I think there is a good chance that it will be better). Let's not forget that if Jonas Gray doesn't get hurt there is an extremely high probability that we could have had TWO 1,000 yard rushers...we only had a problem with 1 position on offense (don't want to get into that).

How about this analogy:

If Calvin Johnson retired tomorrow would the Detriot Lions be better off in 2013 because of it?

 

[greyhammer90]

I already replied, but didn't get a chance to finish my response last night (got called away from the computer)...In 2009 the "Kelly Offense" was running at it's highest level. Mardy Gilyard lead the team by a health margin in yds, rec's, and TDs (Gilyard also happens to be the Bearcats all time leader in receptions, yards, and TDs).

I do hope that in 2013 this offense will be better than it was this year (and I think there is a good chance that it will be better). Let's not forget that if Jonas Gray doesn't get hurt there is an extremely high probability that we could have had TWO 1,000 yard rushers...we only had a problem with 1 position on offense (don't want to get into that).

How about this analogy:

If Calvin Johnson retired tomorrow would the Detriot Lions be better off in 2013 because of it?

Agreed. There was one reason ND's offense wasn't above average this year. I'll give a hint, it's turnover prone, can't throw a deep ball, and rhymes with Bonnie Peace.

 

[gkIrish]

Agreed. There was one reason ND's offense wasn't above average this year. I'll give a hint, it's turnover prone, can't throw a deep ball, and rhymes with Bonnie Peace.

Carlo Calabrese? (it's a stretch I know, last name is close though)