ND Hires New OL Coach

[irishfanjho15]

Thank goodness Coach BK is the one making these decisions....

 

[BobD]

I'm at work so I only read the last two pages. If I have this right, we have a thread that says ND Hires New OL Coach but we aren't really sure if its a done deal and some are happy with it and some are not?

 

[Grahambo]

I'm at work so I only read the last two pages. If I have this right, we have a thread that says ND Hires New OL Coach but we aren't really sure if its a done deal and some are happy with it and some are not?

Basically. It was tweeted that it was done only to say that it was close and not yet done later. Some don't like it because some use UT rushing rankings the past two seasons while others look past it and use his history to judge.

EDIT: I think it's held up right now because of contract issues like a buyout that has to be sorted through.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Basically. It was tweeted that it was done only to say that it was close and not yet done later. Some don't like it because some use UT rushing rankings the past two seasons while others look past it and use his history to judge.

EDIT: I think it's held up right now because of contract issues like a buyout that has to be sorted through.

Bolded part = SEC front 7s vs. Inexperienced OL at UT

Underlined part = group I'm in

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I would almost compare this situation to a recruit who may not be highly regarded but has an offer list that includes Alabama, USC, ND, OSU etc. He was supposedly wanted by Urban Meyer and BK got him. I understand the results didn't make a fanbase happy in UT but that seems more to do with Derek Dooley then Hilestand. He has a pretty solid track record. I know some wanted Andy Heck but doesn't mean the feeling was mutual. Maybe he didn't want to go into the college ranks.

Seems to me, the most interesting tidbit of the whole situation is that Hilestand said no to Urbie, and yes in some way to Brian Kelly. This is important for a couple reasons. Urbie approached him first, and he said no, and then what did Urbie do after his first choice was declined? Take our leftovers? In the long term I believe this to be a win - win for us.

Isn't it always buy-out details and due diligence that holds assistant hires up? ND has to be number one at due diligence now, I would bet my O'Leary on it.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

He looks like Hacksaw Jim Duggan without the beard. Lets hope he coaches like that.

"Two by four. HOOOOOOOOOOO"

 

[Grahambo]

Bolded part = SEC front 7s vs. Inexperienced OL at UT

Underlined part = group I'm in

I'm part of the underlined group too.

 

[IrishLax]

Very good hire. Guy with deep Midwest/Big Ten roots and NFL pedigree. History of turning out NFL caliber linemen at the college level (even from bad schools).

What else can you ask for?

 

[IrishLax]

Anyone who isn't happy should have to provide an alternative hire, explain why it's better, and then justify why it would be a realistic choice.

 

[NDinFL]

Anyone who isn't happy should have to provide an alternative hire, explain why it's better, and then justify why it would be a realistic choice.

Reps.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

@ChiTribHamilton:

On the Harry Hiestand-to-#NotreDame stuff: Hiestand resigned & Tennessee hired a new OL coach Thursday. So...yeah.

 

[irishfanjho15]

@ChiTribHamilton:

and somewhere an ND nation poster kicks a baby.....

 

[kmoose]

I remember when I first joined and thought NDOM was just a trolling punk. Then I realized he was right way more then the super optimistic next-year's the year crowd ever was.

Then perhaps you've been around long enough to see him actively rooting against Notre Dame, during the gameday threads?

 

[IrishLax]

Taken from another board, quoting an Illinois fan: ''He is absolutely one of the best OL coaches in the business. Was incredible at Illinois. This is a grand slam homerun. This is huge for ND if Kelly pulled it off. When it hits the Illinois board, I will send you the comments from the Dads of the kids he coached.''

He was incredible at Illinois... and great with the Bears... what's not to love with this hire? The fact that Lane Kiffen "Tyrone Willinghammed" Tennessee and the team has gotten beaten up in the SEC the past couple years because of it?

I think Kelly made a great hire assuming Hiestand can recruit. Which there's no evidence right now that he can't.

 

[NDinFL]

Taken from another board, quoting an Illinois fan: ''He is absolutely one of the best OL coaches in the business. Was incredible at Illinois. This is a grand slam homerun. This is huge for ND if Kelly pulled it off. When it hits the Illinois board, I will send you the comments from the Dads of the kids he coached.''

He was incredible at Illinois... and great with the Bears... what's not to love with this hire? The fact that Lane Kiffen "Tyrone Willinghammed" Tennessee and the team has gotten beaten up in the SEC the past couple years because of it?

I think Kelly made a great hire assuming Hiestand can recruit. Which there's no evidence right now that he can't.

Thank you for posting this Lax,

NDOM- come take your medicine

 

[Old Man Mike]

I've never had a problem with anyone expressing pessimism about any of the elements of Notre Dame football. What gets wearying, and what I believe that any colleague should show at least a modicum of sensitivity about, is regular simplistic negativism without bothering to make any effort to bring anything to the discussion table. These sorts of posts, by whomever the poster is, are just lazy. That's true for "positive" but essentially content-less posts as well. But at least the positive posts are significantly less irritating as all posters should know. Disregarding a large number of the Board's feelings about things just to lash out against the players or staff without well-thought-out presentations of the thought process involved borders on the childish as well as the non-collegial. I realize that many persons use boards such as this to entertain themselves. Doing it at the expense of others seems a bit bent. I will take the postings of a TerryTate, BGIF, WhiskeyJack, NDinLA, GBDomer, LAX, and all the similar guys who really make an effort every time, and read them in hopes of real insight about ND football. Those guys are the reasons IE is worth visiting. The quality that they share is effort to post discussable knowledge and ideas.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

They're ecstatic with Hiestands departure over at VolNation.. It's pretty funny to read.

 

[irishfanjho15]

They're ecstatic with Hiestands departure over at VolNation.. It's pretty funny to read.

They were blasting the hire on ND Nation, saying how this was all Urban Liar's master plan to string Kelly "about by the nose" for having feigned interest in Hiestand only to steal Kelly's OL coach and having planted the seed for Kelly to want to hire a dud. I literally pissed myself with laughter.

That Urbie pulled one hell of switch-a-roo on Kelly's green a$$

For someone to even come up with and actually have people agreeing made my night.

 

[BGIF]

They were blasting the hire on ND Nation, saying how this was all Urban Liar's master plan to string Kelly "about by the nose" for having feigned interest in Hiestand only to steal Kelly's OL coach and having planted the seed for Kelly to want to hire a dud. I literally pissed myself with laughter.

That Urbie pulled one hell of switch-a-roo on Kelly's green a$$

For someone to even come up with and actually have people agreeing made my night.

If there's a site that has a lock on feigned interest, it's ndn. They're still celebrating, ...

IT'S GRUDEN!​

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

They were blasting the hire on ND Nation, saying how this was all Urban Liar's master plan to string Kelly "about by the nose" for having feigned interest in Hiestand only to steal Kelly's OL coach and having planted the seed for Kelly to want to hire a dud. I literally pissed myself with laughter.

That Urbie pulled one hell of switch-a-roo on Kelly's green a$$

For someone to even come up with and actually have people agreeing made my night.

I gave up on ND nation to the point that I won't even venture to their site.
Those idiots wouldn't be happy with Rockne on the sidelines with Ara, Lou and Leahy on staff.

 

[irishfanjho15]

If there's a site that has a lock on feigned interest, it's ndn. They're still celebrating, ...

IT'S GRUDEN!​

I gave up on ND nation to the point that I won't even venture to their site.
Those idiots wouldn't be happy with Rockne on the sidelines with Ara, Lou and Leahy on staff.

lol yeah it's just fun to get a laugh out of them

 

[GUknights75]

If we were going to get an ex-Bears oline coach I would have wanted it to be Bob Wylie, mainly because he recruited me when he was at Syracuse. He spent last season in Oakland (25 sacks allowed= 3rd fewest in league) so he could have been an option with the firing of Hue Jackson. Hes a GREAT coach and he deffinently seemed interested in everything I said while he was recruiting me. He also had a pretty fun attitude for being 60+ "old school" coach. I actually learned more from him during 2 weeks of camp than I did during my 3 years at a Division 2 GLIAC school that was not GVSU. (boy, how I wish I transferred to Aquinas going into HS)

In regards to Hiestand.....I know nothing and I will wait until the spring game, at least, to form an opinion on him. I am confident Kelly knew what he was doing with this hire.

 

[tadman95]

Dead Period. So we've run out of things to talk about.... Love a good fight but...


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[palinurus]

I am agnostic on the hire. I just wonder whether he's as good as Warriner, because if he is (or if he's better, I should say) you'd think we'd have fired Warriner to hire this guy. That's not to say this guy isn't plenty good enough, or maybe will work out better than Warriner.

I do disagree with the notion that, well, we don't "know more" than Kelly so we should essentially avoid criticizing his decisions. First, this is a fan site; most of us express opinions out of love of ND and we vent to people who we imagine love ND the way we do. (I exclude from this those baiters and haters, and they know who they are.) If we avoid offering opinions unless we have Kelly's knowledge about football, we may as well just pull the plug on IE right now. (Well, keep the vBook operation, because that can run itself.)

Second, people who "know more" than me make dumb decisions all the time. People, from judges to doctors to truck drivers, may "know more" about their given field than I do, but it doesn't mean they don't exercise poor judgment deserving of criticism. It's possible coaches make mistakes that even a humble Subway Alumnus can see coming.

Anyway, here's hoping for the best.

 

[OCIrish]

if he coaches like he did at UI, he'll have a chance to do some good....if his lines resemble that of his NFL days, we're going to look like ****. Plain and simple.

I've been a Bears fan since I first started watching football in the early 80's. His lines were some of the worst I've witnessed in Chitown. I don't mean just the run blocking either, I mean not being able to stop a beach ball from getting to the QB. His lines may not have given up sacks, but they didn't prevent their QB's from taking a beating back there either.

I give Heistand a pass for the UT debacle, but his time in Chicago earns him D- at best from my point of view. Also spare me the apples to oranges crap.....blitz recognition and pick-up is the same no matter what level you're coaching. The sad part, is that he had soo much more time to spend with his NFL group to prepare them than he did at the college level, and his groups still underperformed at a high level.

 

[stlnd01]

I do disagree with the notion that, well, we don't "know more" than Kelly so we should essentially avoid criticizing his decisions.

Second, people who "know more" than me make dumb decisions all the time. People, from judges to doctors to truck drivers, may "know more" about their given field than I do, but it doesn't mean they don't exercise poor judgment deserving of criticism. It's possible coaches make mistakes that even a humble Subway Alumnus can see coming.

True. You don't have to be a Wall Street banker to be justified in thinking that Wall Street bankers have made some big mistakes in recent years.

Though on this, a lot of the criticism seems to flow from: "This guy coaches at Tennessee. And Tennessee is lousy. Therefore, he must be a lousy coach. And therefore, Kelly's a moron. I knew it!"

When we all know enough about college football to know it's a little more complex than that. For instance, he seems to have done a good job developing players at Illinois.

 

[palinurus]

True. You don't have to be a Wall Street banker to be justified in thinking that Wall Street bankers have made some big mistakes in recent years.

Though on this, a lot of the criticism seems to flow from: "This guy coaches at Tennessee. And Tennessee is lousy. Therefore, he must be a lousy coach. And therefore, Kelly's a moron. I knew it!"

When we all know enough about college football to know it's a little more complex than that. For instance, he seems to have done a good job developing players at Illinois.

I don't disagree with you. My guess, from the little I've read, is that Tenny is a sinking, confused ship and that there is probably a lot of dissension and angst. I doubt one can reliably read tea leaves on how he'll do based on Tennessee's performance.

 

[anarin]

if he coaches like he did at UI, he'll have a chance to do some good....if his lines resemble that of his NFL days, we're going to look like ****. Plain and simple.

I've been a Bears fan since I first started watching football in the early 80's. His lines were some of the worst I've witnessed in Chitown. I don't mean just the run blocking either, I mean not being able to stop a beach ball from getting to the QB. His lines may not have given up sacks, but they didn't prevent their QB's from taking a beating back there either.

I give Heistand a pass for the UT debacle, but his time in Chicago earns him D- at best from my point of view. Also spare me the apples to oranges crap.....blitz recognition and pick-up is the same no matter what level you're coaching. The sad part, is that he had soo much more time to spend with his NFL group to prepare them than he did at the college level, and his groups still underperformed at a high level.

I dont want to go into full blown attack mode on you, so I'll just post a wiki quote.

In 2008, Chicago’s offensive attempted 557 pass plays and absorbed 29 sacks. In 2006, the Bears attempted 539 pass plays and allowed just 25 sacks, the lowest total given up by the team since allowing 17 in 2001, as Chicago went on to win the 2006 NFC Championship leading to the organization’s first Super Bowl appearance in 21 years.

And if you think it was the offensive lines fault that the bears were mediocre on offense during his time there, then no offense, you may be clueless.

 

[BobD]

Welcome Coach Hiestand! I hope all the details get worked out so you can become Irish very soon.

I'm guessing your a pretty damned good coach since Coach Kelly picked you to be part of his team. His opinion is good enough for me, because as shocking as this may sound.... I'm not a football coach. (if you need a Subzero refrigerator or Wolf range for your new home please look me up; )

If there happen to be more positions Coach Kelly needs to fill, you might have him check out this thread so he doesn't make a terrible mistake. If you read back through it you'll see we apparently have several people who are as, or more qualified at putting together a D1 coaching staff than him.

Good Luck and Go Irish!

 

[irishog77]

Welcome Coach Hiestand! I hope all the details get worked out so you can become Irish very soon.

I'm guessing your a pretty damned good coach since Coach Kelly picked you to be part of his team. His opinion is good enough for me, because as shocking as this may sound.... I'm not a football coach. (if you need a Subzero refrigerator or Wolf range for your new home please look me up; )

If there happen to be more positions Coach Kelly needs to fill, you might have him check out this thread so he doesn't make a terrible mistake. If you read back through it you'll see we apparently have several people who, are as, or more qualified at putting together a D1 coaching staff than him.

Good Luck and Go Irish!

How bout bidets, Bobby? I've been test driving some lately and can't figure out which one to put in my man cave.