Who is likely next?

[Te'o4Heisman]

We don't recruit OL prospects to come in and play right away. Your missing the point. If Decker or Harrell see the field next year, that's a problem. The point is to continue to build depth. Your focusing far to much on next year.

My point is this. NEXT YEAR we have depth and quality starters with experience. NEXT YEAR, the next wave of lineman, guys like Hegarty, Hanratty Lombard, Prestwood, Carrico and Nichols will battle it out and determine who will be getting PT during 2013 and beyond. NEXT YEAR the guys out of that group who separate themselves will get the necessary experience and development to keep continuity on the line. That is ideal, and that is how our depth chart is set up to operate...and we have plenty of talent and size on campus and coming in to keep replenishing our line depth.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Yup, it's been such a huge problem for LSU, Bama, OKst and Boise. So those teams don't have to worry about their Olineman playing early, but we have to? Even though we have recruited better at the oline than all of these teams as of recently and currently have a great oline with one guy leaving? Crazy.... we must be doing something wrong.

Good Lord, I thought it was just me.

 

[IrishLax]

You don't need 4 OL a year. I'd say you want about 8 game-ready OL at a minimum, preferably more. And you recruit however you need to ensure that you will never be in danger of missing that number.

 

[woolybug25]

You don't need 4 OL a year. I'd say you want about 8 game-ready OL at a minimum, preferably more. And you recruit however you need to ensure that you will never be in danger of missing that number.

Don't stop him with logic, Lax... he's on a roll...

 

[Irish Man3]

The #1 team in the country, LSU, signed two offensive lineman last year. One of which, was a 3*.

Alabama (#2) only has one offensive lineman so far in their 2011 class, he is a 3*.

Oklohoma State (#3) took three offensive lineman last year, all 3*'s.

Boise State (#4) also only took three Olineman last year. Two of which were 2*'s and the other a 3*. According to Rivals, they do not have a single offensive lineman over a 3* on their entire roster.

But we aren't pulling in the Olineman like the "big boys".... right....

Do you have any other sure factoids you would like to put an "end of story" on?

Alabama's 2011 class? How about 2012 class, and they have two. OT Brandon Greene (4*) and OG Calleb Gulledge. There's a "factoid" for ya chief. When your able to recruit 5* OL year after year, it makes it acceptable to take 3 on off years. 5* tend to be more hit than miss.

Last year, that heralded 2011 class you mistakenly spoke off... they took four. One tragically passed away.

LSU's class last year had four OL prospects as well, chief. They included 5* stud La'el Collins, Jonah Austin, Trai Turner, and Corey White.

Next time, before you go looking for an argument because I didn't agree with you in another thread, get your "factoids" straight... boss!

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

This is some very good entertainment!!!

 

[NDPhilly]

Team Teo/wooly or team irishman3?

I'll go team Teo/wooly because our depth is fine but one more OL would be good.

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

I think our depth is alright because I think Jarron Jones is going to be an offensive lineman. I still hope to get at least one more lineman this cycle.

 

[woolybug25]

Alabama's 2011 class? How about 2012 class, and they have two. OT Brandon Greene (4*) and OG Calleb Gulledge. There's a "factoid" for ya chief. When your able to recruit 5* OL year after year, it makes it acceptable to take 3 on off years. 5* tend to be more hit than miss.

Last year, that heralded 2011 class you mistakenly spoke off... they took four. One tragically passed away.

LSU's class last year had four OL prospects as well, chief. They included 5* stud La'el Collins, Jonah Austin, Trai Turner, and Corey White.

Next time, before you go looking for an argument because I didn't agree with you in another thread, get your "factoids" straight... boss!

First of all, don't call me boss nor chief. Only complete Bro's say stupid sh!t like that.

Second of all, according to Rivals, Gulledge is a DE and Greene is a 3*. That is also only two offensive lineman, not the "4 Olineman the big boys get EVERY YEAR" like you said.

Third, I meant LSU's 2010 class, which had two. Breaking from your set in stone theory of 4 every year.

and finally, we have recruited better at oline over the last five years than all of the top 4 teams. So we are deeper than them in that respect. We are also only losing one guy. So why do we need to recruit more offensive linemen than them again?

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Haha I wasnt looking for an argument just making the point that I don't think our line recruiting is discouraging, and our rivals certainly are not blowing by us in terms of building up their lines while we whiff on guys.

 

[Irish Man3]

First of all, don't call me boss nor chief. Only complete Bro's say stupid sh!t like that.

Second of all, according to Rivals, Gulledge is a DE and Greene is a 3*. That is also only two offensive lineman, not the "4 Olineman the big boys get EVERY YEAR" like you said.

Third, I meant LSU's 2010 class, which had two. Breaking from your set in stone theory of 4 every year.

and finally, we have recruited better at oline over the last five years than all of the top 4 teams. So we are deeper than them in that respect. We are also only losing one guy. So why do we need to recruit more offensive linemen than them again?

I forgot this recruiting class ended now. That's an honest mistake on my part. I was always under the impression that signing day was in February. I should follow recruiting much more closely.

 

[woolybug25]

Irish Man3 - Another thing, you said Bama brings in 5* olineman every year? Do at least a little fact checking. They have only brought in two 5* olineman in the last 4 years (D.J. Fluker and Tyler Love).

They have also brought in less olineman than us with an overall lower average star ranking.

*all info taken from Rivals

ps - i'm not picking on you because of the other thread, i'm picking on you because you are wrong on everything you said so far and I have proven it with actual facts.

 

[NDPhilly]

Soooooooo Gunner Kiel next?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

good lord.... lol

If this goes any longer, I'm sending in the reinforcements.

 

[Irish Man3]

Irish Man3 - Another thing, you said Bama brings in 5* olineman every year? Do at least a little fact checking. They have only brought in two 5* olineman in the last 4 years (D.J. Fluker and Tyler Love).

They have also brought in less olineman than us with an overall lower average star ranking.

*all info taken from Rivals

Hey chief, don't mean to blow up another one of your amazing fact checking bombshells, you must some recent 5* lineman. I'll give you a hint and then let you do some more fact checking. They're brothers, they're very big, and they have funny last names that start with K. That should give you a big head start. Goodnight..... chief!

 

[WhoDeyIrish]

Soooooooo Gunner Kiel next?

I'm guessing Jordan Payton.

 

[woolybug25]

Hey chief, don't mean to blow up another one of your amazing fact checking bombshells, you must some recent 5* lineman. I'll give you a hint and then let you do some more fact checking. They're brothers, they're very big, and they have funny last names that start with K. That should give you a big head start. Goodnight..... chief!

Sorry, I missed Cyrus Kouandjio, but his brother isn't a 5*, he was a four (again, you didn't do any fact checking). Regardless, your 4 olineman a year is still wrong and we have still recruited better at oline (per #'s and avg * ranking).

Seriously.... are you retarded?

 

[Rhode Irish]

So....what'd I miss?

 

[greyhammer90]

 

[woolybug25]

im calmer than you are....

calmer than you are....

 

[Irish2015]

Definently gunner kiel

 

[BGIF]

The #1 team in the country, LSU, signed two offensive lineman last year. One of which, was a 3*.

Alabama (#2) only has one offensive lineman so far in their 2011 class, he is a 3*.

Oklohoma State (#3) took three offensive lineman last year, all 3*'s.

Boise State (#4) also only took three Olineman last year. Two of which were 2*'s and the other a 3*. According to Rivals, they do not have a single offensive lineman over a 3* on their entire roster.

But we aren't pulling in the Olineman like the "big boys".... right....

Do you have any other sure factoids you would like to put an "end of story" on?

Sorry, I missed Cyrus Kouandjio, but his brother isn't a 5*, he was a four (again, you didn't do any fact checking). Regardless, your 4 olineman a year is still wrong and we have still recruited better at oline (per #'s and avg * ranking).

Seriously.... are you retarded?

Well I guess you can add me to your list as well. BTW, resorting to ad hominems generally indicates who lost the argument. And we have a couple of people who work with the challenged and have previously noted they find that comparison offensive.


4 OLs a year has been a rule of thumb at least since teams were restricted to 85 man rosters. IT'S A TARGET that ebbs and flows with needs and attrition. Sometimes schools take more some less.

Including the class of 2006, ND has taken 29 OLs, not converted DLs or TEs, 29 recruited OLs in 7 years. That's 4+/year ON AVERAGE. It's also the Mode.
Here's the years and numbers from Rivals.

ND
'06 6
'07 4
'08 4
'09 4
'10 3
'11 5
'12 3 So Far. (Still 3 months to go)
29 in 7 years = 4+

BAMA
'06 5
'07 2
'08 3
'09 7
'10 3
'11 4
24 in 6 year = 4

Oh, you were concerned about quality. Bama had 4 Five Stars in those 6 years. ND had 1, Sam Young.

There something that missing that even more significant. Bama can add JUCO's every year.

ND adds 17 and 18 year olds. Bullard would be a junior. Matt James a sophomore. Both would be on the field. ND doesn't get to replay them with 20 year olds with a couple of years of Division 1 Conditioning, Weight Gain, and Technique Polisihing. ND brings in kids 2 months out of high school.

I got names, stars, where each school was ranked annually in the OL Class Rankings, etc, etc. I didn't cherry pick just started from the top of your list

Go back and look at the rosters under Holtz there were 17, 18, 19 OLs on scholarship. I counted as many as 20. Holtz had 3 OLines prepared. Keep in mind Holtz had less WR and more TBs and FBs. For most of his career Holtz didn't have a kicker taking up a scholarship slot. He preferred walk-ons so he get the big bodies on board. And, I don't recall him ever having multiple place kickers, multiple punters, and multiple long and short snappers.


BTW, Bama had a JUCO transfer named Aaron Douglas that was expected to start at LT this year. Unfortunately as with Matt James, Douglas met a premature death in May. He was still an OL recruit.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Thanks BGIF, you and I will "warrior on" trying to throw a little fact and perspective in here. I tried to do exactly what you've done way back in this thread [#985?] about a week and a half ago. Sometimes it seems hopeless.....

Oh well....just "entertainment", I guess.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I'm hoping Kiel and Payton will be next.

 

[felkey72]

I am going to be optomistic Pittman and Poole after this weekend. Then Jordan sees he has to come aboard if he wants to be part of the class leaving Kiels mouth watering

 

[woolybug25]

BGIF - So according to your own numbers, Irish Fan3 is wrong in saying that we need more olineman. We are already at the 4 olineman a year average. He never said "average", he was adamant that we have to have them EVERY YEAR. Finally, I never said that we had more five stars on the oline vs Bama, I said our avg star rating was higher, which it is.

I'm in the same boat of LAX, where teams should always have 8 capable, ready to play olineman. Whatever amount of olineman per year they need to do that is what the numbers should be. Looking at the number you provided, it looks like that is what the "big boys" believe as well.

 

[Irish Man3]

Well I guess you can add me to your list as well. BTW, resorting to ad hominems generally indicates who lost the argument. And we have a couple of people who work with the challenged and have previously noted they find that comparison offensive.


4 OLs a year has been a rule of thumb at least since teams were restricted to 85 man rosters. IT'S A TARGET that ebbs and flows with needs and attrition. Sometimes schools take more some less.

Including the class of 2006, ND has taken 29 OLs, not converted DLs or TEs, 29 recruited OLs in 7 years. That's 4+/year ON AVERAGE. It's also the Mode.
Here's the years and numbers from Rivals.

ND
'06 6
'07 4
'08 4
'09 4
'10 3
'11 5
'12 3 So Far. (Still 3 months to go)
29 in 7 years = 4+

BAMA
'06 5
'07 2
'08 3
'09 7
'10 3
'11 4
24 in 6 year = 4

Oh, you were concerned about quality. Bama had 4 Five Stars in those 6 years. ND had 1, Sam Young.

There something that missing that even more significant. Bama can add JUCO's every year.

ND adds 17 and 18 year olds. Bullard would be a junior. Matt James a sophomore. Both would be on the field. ND doesn't get to replay them with 20 year olds with a couple of years of Division 1 Conditioning, Weight Gain, and Technique Polisihing. ND brings in kids 2 months out of high school.

I got names, stars, where each school was ranked annually in the OL Class Rankings, etc, etc. I didn't cherry pick just started from the top of your list

Go back and look at the rosters under Holtz there were 17, 18, 19 OLs on scholarship. I counted as many as 20. Holtz had 3 OLines prepared. Keep in mind Holtz had less WR and more TBs and FBs. For most of his career Holtz didn't have a kicker taking up a scholarship slot. He preferred walk-ons so he get the big bodies on board. And, I don't recall him ever having multiple place kickers, multiple punters, and multiple long and short snappers.


BTW, Bama had a JUCO transfer named Aaron Douglas that was expected to start at LT this year. Unfortunately as with Matt James, Douglas met a premature death in May. He was still an OL recruit.

Fact of the matter is four offensive lineman a year is a good number to shoot for regardless of depth. Lineman prospects are more hit or miss than any other position in my opinion. We may have eight quality lineman ready to play right now (even that is debatable) but transfers happen (Bullard), unseen circumstances happen (RIP Matt James), and guys just don't always pan out. The staff clearly thinks we need at least one more offensive lineman.

Should be interesting to watch the rest of the recruiting year play out. Good post BGIF

 

[NDFANnSouthWest]

I'm hoping Kiel and Payton will be next.

this ^

 

[Irish Man3]

If Payton comes, how long before Adams follows? Would be another nice Cali tandem.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

If Payton comes, how long before Adams follows? Would be another nice Cali tandem.

Don't really see that happening. Adams has made it pretty clear he wants to stay on the west coast.