Jim Harbaugh

[KPENN]

Just heard he's meeting with the 49ers today. Also said they are gonna make him a large offer and by tomorrow he could be their coach. Obviously just a rumor so we'll see

 

[Irish Man3]

It's going to happen thankfully. No more Harbaugh at Stanford or Michigan.

Time to pounce on Amir Carlisle, Troy Niklas, Wayne Lyons, James Vaughters, and others.

 

[irishff1014]

Lyons won't be coming here i think the only one that might switch is Amir

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Love to see the 49ers hire Harbaugh and then try to trade up for Andrew Luck!!!







Hey I can dream right?!?!?!?!?!?

 

[IrishLax]

Lyons is an interesting character.... you have to assume Michigan and Stanford are going to be out (unless their coaching situations are solidified by Saturday). Although, the simple fact that Michigan's defense sucks so bad could draw Lyons there.

That leaves only UCLA. And UCLA has been terrible under Rick.

 

[Irish Man3]

Lyons is an interesting character.... you have to assume Michigan and Stanford are going to be out (unless their coaching situations are solidified by Saturday). Although, the simple fact that Michigan's defense sucks so bad could draw Lyons there.

That leaves only UCLA. And UCLA has been terrible under Rick.

Nebraska is a huge player for Lyons. Thats my guess on where he lands.

 

[jason_h537]

Nebraska is a huge player for Lyons. Thats my guess on where he lands.

Lyons is down to UCLA, Michigan and Stanford. Wants to be an engineer and says his choice is entirely based on education.

 

[Irish Man3]

Wayne Lyons has released a different final 5 a thousand times. He was just talking yesterday on his fb about Nebraska so they are not out of it.

 

[IrishLax]

Wayne Lyons has released a different final 5 a thousand times. He was just talking yesterday on his fb about Nebraska so they are not out of it.

If he wants to be an engineer and goes to Nebraska that would be epic fail. It sucks that ND's one "weak" program is engineer (at least relative to Michigan, Stanford and UCLA). Although, if he ever got on campus, the new EG building would knock his socks off and our department is severely underrated because of how strong business, philo, science and theo are.

 

[KPENN]

The Dolphins are flying out to meet with him either tonight or tomorrow

 

[phork]

I don't know why'd you'd take an AFC job over an NFC West job. Play the Pats and Jets 2 times each per year, or play the Sea Chickens, the Lambs and the Cards... Easy choice imo!

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I can’t see how he keeps the job after this and the inevitable Buckeye pounding that’s coming.

 

[Sea Turtle]

I can’t see how he keeps the job after this and the inevitable Buckeye pounding that’s coming.

He will leave when he wants too. He's Bo's adoptive son. They moved mountains to get him because he was their savior.

I agree though that he's been a bust.

 

[BGIF]

I can’t see how he keeps the job after this and the inevitable Buckeye pounding that’s coming.

Is it Harbaugh's fault WI's backs keep running through gaps where there's no UM defender?

Is it Harbaugh's fault his OLine can't create a gap?

Is it Harbaugh's fault Patterson is 5 of 14 while Coan is 11 for 13?

Is it Harbaugh's fault 68 of their 88 yds of First Half Total Offense came on 1 play?

Is it Harbaugh's fault his team had the ball 6:57 minutes to WI's 23:03 minutes?

Common, Harbaugh only had 2 weeks to prepare his team after tough games against West Point and Middle Tennessee St.

 

[ulukinatme]

Still waiting

 

[stlnd01]

Thing is, they can keep him and go 9-3 every year, losing to all the good teams. Or fire him and roll the dice. It’s an interesting decision.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Thing is, they can keep him and go 9-3 every year, losing to all the good teams. Or fire him and roll the dice. It’s an interesting decision.

I really don't know that they can go 9-3 without a big transformation mid season. Look at their slate of games over the next 5 weeks. I think they could drop 3 more in that span alone.

 

[stlnd01]

I really don't know that they can go 9-3 without a big transformation mid season. Look at their slate of games over the next 5 weeks. I think they could drop 3 more in that span alone.

Well if they can’t handle Iowa and, later, Sparty at home, then yeah, they’ve got serious problems. So maybe their ceiling this year is 8-4. Is that a firing record? I honestly don’t know. It’s certainly not what they’d hoped.

Feels a bit like where we were at with BK for a few years there, but I don’t know if Harbaugh is capable of reinventing himself the way Kelly has.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Is it Harbaugh's fault WI's backs keep running through gaps where there's no UM defender?

Is it Harbaugh's fault his OLine can't create a gap?

Is it Harbaugh's fault Patterson is 5 of 14 while Coan is 11 for 13?

Is it Harbaugh's fault 68 of their 88 yds of First Half Total Offense came on 1 play?

Is it Harbaugh's fault his team had the ball 6:57 minutes to WI's 23:03 minutes?

Common, Harbaugh only had 2 weeks to prepare his team after tough games against West Point and Middle Tennessee St.

😆

 

[irishandy]

Here is the rest of their schedule:

9/28-- Rutgers @ home, should win
10/5-- Iowa @ home, could lose
10/12-- @ Penn St., could lose
10/26-- Notre Dame @ home, will lose
11/2-- @ Maryland, should win
11/16-- Michigan State @ home, will lose
11/23-- @ Indiana, should win
11/30-- Ohio State @ home, will lose

Michigan could have a 5 loss season.

It was interesting watching the Michigan game yesterday how no one seemed to be around Harbaugh.

I think he is starting to lose this team and I think it's a matter of how much they want to put up with Harbaugh.

 

[ND88]

Here is the rest of their schedule:

9/28-- Rutgers @ home, should win
10/5-- Iowa @ home, could lose
10/12-- @ Penn St., could lose
10/26-- Notre Dame @ home, will lose
11/2-- @ Maryland, should win
11/16-- Michigan State @ home, will lose
11/23-- @ Indiana, should win
11/30-- Ohio State @ home, will lose

Michigan could have a 5 loss season.

It was interesting watching the Michigan game yesterday how no one seemed to be around Harbaugh.

I think he is starting to lose this team and I think it's a matter of how much they want to put up with Harbaugh.

What's the buyout clause? I can't imagine Michigan will experiment with this much longer. I know he's a son of Walmart or whatever, but I imagine it's a beat one of ND or OSU or you're gone, at this point.

 

[pumpdog20]

Hard to win when you don't have a depth chart.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Well if they can’t handle Iowa and, later, Sparty at home, then yeah, they’ve got serious problems. So maybe their ceiling this year is 8-4. Is that a firing record? I honestly don’t know. It’s certainly not what they’d hoped.

Feels a bit like where we were at with BK for a few years there, but I don’t know if Harbaugh is capable of reinventing himself the way Kelly has.

That's the big question: given the amount of delusion in the Michigan fanbase, it probably is fireable.

And in regard to the comparison to us with BK a few years ago: there was a distinct difference in that Kelly had already taken us to a title game. Jim has gone 10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 10-3 and he's heading for what appears to be at best a 10-3 season, probably 8-5 at worst?

How much talent do they lose after this year? Mcaffrey is probably better but I thought their line was experienced.

 

[Bluto]

If Miles does even a decent job at Kansas is he next coach at Michigan?

 

[Wild Bill]

If Miles does even a decent job at Kansas is he next coach at Michigan?

He's gotta be mid 60s. Not sure they'd go in that direction.

 

[IrishLax]

That's the big question: given the amount of delusion in the Michigan fanbase, it probably is fireable.

And in regard to the comparison to us with BK a few years ago: there was a distinct difference in that Kelly had already taken us to a title game. Jim has gone 10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 10-3 and he's heading for what appears to be at best a 10-3 season, probably 8-5 at worst?

How much talent do they lose after this year? Mcaffrey is probably better but I thought their line was experienced.

The main issue, IMO, is that they gave him a Saban-level contract when he originally came on board. And there are a LOT of stakeholders in Harbaugh succeeding.

But he can't win his half of the conference, can't win major bowl games, and can't beat his rivals.

So how do you reconcile his contract with his performance? You really can't. 10-3 seasons are fine for most schools, but most schools aren't paying $8mil+/year for a "lifetime" contract and don't have delusions of being a Tier 1 school.

What I don't know is whether his albatross of a contract makes him easier or harder to fire. How much is guaranteed? How much do people want to be proven "right" about Harbaugh? The main reason Kelly kept his job after 4-8 was the $$ and lack of clear "upgrades on the market. I think the same thing largely applies to Michigan trying to jettison Harbaugh.

 

[irishandy]

What's the buyout clause? I can't imagine Michigan will experiment with this much longer. I know he's a son of Walmart or whatever, but I imagine it's a beat one of ND or OSU or you're gone, at this point.

I don't know what his buyout clause is, but isn't he making 7/8 million a year?

I think Michigan at least puts Harbaugh on the hot seat before they say he's gone.

 

[Irishize]

He will leave when he wants too. He's Bo's adoptive son. They moved mountains to get him because he was their savior.

I agree though that he's been a bust.

Yeah, he ain’t getting fired. If the train goes off the tracks, I could see him jumping back to the NFL to avoid being known more as an unsuccessful UM HC vs his career as a great UM QB.

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah, he ain’t getting fired. If the train goes off the tracks, I could see him jumping back to the NFL to avoid being known more as an unsuccessful UM HC vs his career as a great UM QB.

Would he get an NFL job at this point? I didn’t follow it closely but I remember the impression that he was he was run out of San Francisco, or at least they weren’t sorry to see him go. His act wears thin on professionals. He isn’t really “succeeding” in college football. And even the NFL is moving away from his boring-ass offensive philosophy.

 

[stlnd01]

Apparently his contract expires after ‘21. So, only two more years after this. But his buyout is $15 million. It drops to $10 million if they wait until January (and screw their ability to hire the next coach).
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.hero...ll/jim-harbaugh-michigan-contract-buyout-ahah

That’s crazy. I do not understand why schools agree to these buyout deals.