Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[NDVirginia19]

Having LSU friends and getting to get my weekly wellness check texts in to them gives me the feeling that heroin must give addicts.

 

[NDMatt91]

Someone post some Tigerdroppings comments for me, I'm thirsty for some tears

The fear that Notre Dame fans and some of their media were spot on about BK's shortcomings. They were right. He's a politician that loves golfing and money. Money, not some insatiable desire to win a NC, is his motivation. And LSU handed him a lot of it.

BK represents a problem in the world. Old a-hole that won’t retire. Keeps going around to kush gigs not allowing the younger generation to take his place.

I’m finally on board with Kelly seeming clueless - how could he think Nuss was just going to be amazing tonight? Why did he say that? Is he delusional? I don’t know if Kelly can recover. And his 10 mil a year contract seems absurd now. But what’s the alternative? Who do you get who you think can win a natty for less than that?

I believe Kelly was naive and now he lacks the internal drive and motivation to right the ship. I really believe he had no idea the talent level required to win in the SEC and thought he could recruit the same type of athlete and make the same type of hires that he did at ND and succeed here.

Kelly, and his Agent, knew exactly what they were doing. They saw Woodward coming from 750 miles away. Kelly gets paid, the keys to the Castle, and has LSU by the balls. No one ever went after Kelly while he was at Notre Dame. He's a superb bs artist, and a very mediocre coach. He sucked the ND Catholic hierarchies arse, so he was protected. Now he's protected by Woodward's ego and stupidity.

I think Big Cat from Barstool said it best, and I know he’s not the world’s greatest football mind but I think he’s got a pretty good pulse of the general public and how they feel. Anyway, on their show this week he said “I want to like LSU and it sucks that I can’t because Brian Kelly is such a fricking loser.” Man I felt that, I will never have anything other than complete love for LSU, but Kelly is an unlikable prick; and, oh by the way, he is a fricking loser.

Kelly is an incompetent douche bag that wears height boosting shoes. That’s all you need to know.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Well, that’s not good …

 

[forkbeard3777]

The “we just can’t execute” refrain is one we heard from him many, many times when he was here. At some point in time, that lack of execution has to be on him and the rest of his staff - a point he never acknowledges.

Oh, 100%. He also hasn’t been able to
piece it all together. Example, last year, if we had this very average defense, we’d likely have won the NC. That offense was so elite, but the defense was so, so, piss poor. He can’t piece it all together, his teams struggle to execute….these are all coaching and lack of attention to detail. It falls on him.

I’m like a broken record, but his limitations are so glaring and evident. He’s not a bad coach, he’s just not an elite coach, and he’s so unlikable. He’s a high floor, low ceiling guy (and most of our fans loathe him).

 

[stlnd01]

To the guy above’s quote: Not to excuse BK, but he was always at his best at Notre Dame when he had a DC who was at the top of his game. Whenever I’ve watched LSU this year, their defense has looked utterly confused.
He shoulda hired Al Golden.

 

[IrishLax]

 

[Jeffwantpoppers]

People acting like Kelly doesn’t have some of the best talent in the SEC right now or the last two years. Come on now.

 

[forkbeard3777]

People acting like Kelly doesn’t have some of the best talent in the SEC right now or the last two years. Come on now.

No man, this team, at least defensively, is not talented. Defensively, we have a few good players here and there, but collectively, they are way behind. We suck at RB, and have an overrated offensive line. I do like the WRs, TE, and Nuss does have potential, however.

 

[irishff1014]

No man, this team, at least defensively, is not talented. Defensively, we have a few good players here and there, but collectively, they are way behind. We suck at RB, and have an overrated offensive line. I do like the WRs, TE, and Nuss does have potential, however.

This is year 3 and next to no rules when it comes to recruiting.

We know we have been there. Buckle up

 

[Mass MoCA]

Every time I see him brooding on the sidelines I think about how happy I am he's gone. Why would anyone want to play for him?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

No man, this team, at least defensively, is not talented. Defensively, we have a few good players here and there, but collectively, they are way behind. We suck at RB, and have an overrated offensive line. I do like the WRs, TE, and Nuss does have potential, however.

Wasn’t the lack of defensive talent that did Orgeron in? Seems like it’s been an issue for awhile despite LSU traditionally having a good D. For a quick fix, BK needed an Elko or Freeman at DC and reliance on the staff to win the recruiting wars vs Bama, aTm & UF. BK was never going to be anywhere near Orgeron’s level at recruiting. That’s why he took the LSU gig. I never thought the Boston guy in the Deep South was going to be an issue. The issue is lack of talent & his coaching decisions. JMO

 

[IrishLion]

Oh, 100%. He also hasn’t been able to
piece it all together. Example, last year, if we had this very average defense, we’d likely have won the NC. That offense was so elite, but the defense was so, so, piss poor. He can’t piece it all together, his teams struggle to execute….these are all coaching and lack of attention to detail. It falls on him.

I’m like a broken record, but his limitations are so glaring and evident. He’s not a bad coach, he’s just not an elite coach, and he’s so unlikable. He’s a high floor, low ceiling guy (and most of our fans loathe him).

It is UNCANNY how much you sound like all of us did throughout BK’s tenure. We went through different stages from 2010-2022.

First it was “he needs to insert his guys across the board and build depth” … and he put his foot in his mouth in that regard a few times.

Then he made the natty, got smoked, and it was “he needs more elite talent, it’s coming” … then he recruited elite classes that didn’t fit ND, and it ultimately lead to too many wash outs and the 2016 debacle and program reset

Then he made the playoffs in 2018 and 2020, and it was “we were a defensive coordinator away in 2015, an elite QB away in 2018, and a few WR’s away in 2020” … BK is ALWAYS juuuuuust a bit short in one key area year-to-year

My guy, you’ve hit every stage we saw BK deal with in 12 seasons, and you’ve seen almost all of it by year three already lol

 

[Jeffwantpoppers]

No man, this team, at least defensively, is not talented. Defensively, we have a few good players here and there, but collectively, they are way behind. We suck at RB, and have an overrated offensive line. I do like the WRs, TE, and Nuss does have potential, however.

The defense is still in the top half of talent. This isn’t the SEC of 5-10 years ago. The entire conference is down in talent.

The oline may be overrated but that’s on the coaches.

 

[ulukinatme]

It's a good thing LSU has great facilities, imagine how poorly they'd be playing compared to ND if they didn't have elite training?

Wait a minute...

 

[forkbeard3777]

The defense is still in the top half of talent. This isn’t the SEC of 5-10 years ago. The entire conference is down in talent.

The oline may be overrated but that’s on the coaches.

They really aren’t though. That’s the thing. The truly are not talented. Ignore the LSU helmet and logo. Talent is legit an issue defensively.
I
Off the top of my head, Texas, Tennessee, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Kentucky, OU, Alabama, A&M are more talented and have better defenses.

We previously took a bunch of portal guys from smaller schools (SELA, Nicholls, Marshall, Syracuse) that aren’t SEC caliber and we also have players playing out of position (have Safety playing CB), because we lack the talent or depth.

We’ve got some great, even elite players here and there (Weeks — LB), but we are truly not talented on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[Katzenboyer]

People acting like Kelly doesn’t have some of the best talent in the SEC right now or the last two years. Come on now.

The lack of "LSU types" on defense is noticeable.

Regardless of who was coaching there, LSU always had war daddies defensively, and for many years they were the only team that could match up physically with Saban's Bama teams. It's so glaringly not the case with Kelly at the helm.

 

[Katzenboyer]

Oh, 100%. He also hasn’t been able to
piece it all together. Example, last year, if we had this very average defense, we’d likely have won the NC. That offense was so elite, but the defense was so, so, piss poor. He can’t piece it all together, his teams struggle to execute….these are all coaching and lack of attention to detail. It falls on him.

Again, we feel your pain, because it was always, ALWAYS the case here. In 2012, the defense was elite. The offense was average/below average and that got exposed in the national championship game against Bama (although ND wasn't winning that game even if they had an above-average offense that year).

In 2015 (a team I'd argue was Kelly's most talented at ND), the offense was terrific but the defense was just average, even though there was some really good defensive talent on that team (Jaylon Smith, Sheldon Day, Romeo Okwara). A lot of it can be explained by the poor choice for defensive coordinator, but - and I hate to beat a dead horse - aren't we noticing a pattern here?

And his special teams have always been bad.

I’m like a broken record, but his limitations are so glaring and evident. He’s not a bad coach, he’s just not an elite coach, and he’s so unlikable. He’s a high floor, low ceiling guy (and most of our fans loathe him).

I think that's about as close as you can get to the most spot-on description of Kelly as a head coach. He'll get you some 10-11 win seasons here and there, but they'll be sprinkled in with 8-win seasons on the regular.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Our old coach realizing that it LOOKS like it might be easier to nab a title at LSU, but it's at least as easy get clobbered on a regular basis, if your guys "lack attention to details."

On a serious note: I wonder if Kelly's "detailed" constructions (which are great only if everything works like a clock) just don't fit the culture of SEC football? In those atmospheres it seems to me that breakdowns are magnified and those opposing athletes ram them up your butt immediately when you screw up. He might just be too complicated or most teams other than ... well, almost anyone.

This has some key ingredients to what I’m sure we would hear in a presser from BK:

It’s the SEC’s fault. The conference’s culture doesn’t allow my hyper detailed coaching style to thrive.

I’m over here playing chess every week while my players are playing checkers and making mistakes.

I’m too smart and complex for them, that’s really the issue.


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[irishandy]

I remember when LSU football got bad during the Ed O. days, is this where the program is going?

If he hasn't already BK is going to lose the locker room? Does Underwood stay committed?

This thread is getting entertaining!

 

[T Town Tommy]

Kelly just isn’t a good enough coach to be successful week in and week out in the SEC. His faults, and his team’s faults, get magnified quickly. He tries to hide behind those faults by blaming everyone else, but it’s his name on that $10 million check. He’s being paid to fix those faults. And, in the end, the LSU faithful know he isn’t going to be able to do that. This year or any year.

 

[forkbeard3777]

I remember when LSU football got bad during the Ed O. days, is this where the program is going?

If he hasn't already BK is going to lose the locker room? Does Underwood stay committed?

This thread is getting entertaining!

Sadly, that’s our problem. I remember a 2 win team under Curley Hallman. I remember 3 and 4 win seasons under Gerry DiNardo. Kelly’s been 10-4 (2022), 10-3 (2023), and currently 6-4. It’s not great. With the exception of 2022, it’s not what we expect and/our the standard. But it’s also not terrible. The overwhelming majority of schools would love those results.

LSU isn’t Texas A&M — meaning, they can’t afford a $70 million buyout. We’re, unfortunately, “stuck” right now, in purgatory.

I do think he’s losing players … when you have upperclassmen (one being a leader) suspended, that isn’t good. We’ve lost 3 in a row and I think they have and/or are mailing it on. The fans have. You’ll have half-assed, pussyfooting results in the next two games. There’s nothing left to play for — including Kelly. The team won’t rally around him.

Sadly, we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place with Underwood as well. Joe Sloan, in my opinion, isn’t the answer at OC. However, Underwood purportedly LOVES him. If Sloan’s out, so is Underwood. Circling back around, we’re kinda “stuck.”

 

[Old Man Mike]

What puzzles me most about LSU (no matter who-the-hell the coach is) is that I'm used to seeing over the recent decades, monster DTackles and all-NFL defensive backs (LSU was DBU afterall). Where are those guys? You can't win in the SEC without both those things (see Alabama, Georgia every year.)

 

[irishandy]

Sadly, that’s our problem. I remember a 2 win team under Curley Hallman. I remember 3 and 4 win seasons under Gerry DiNardo. Kelly’s been 10-4 (2022), 10-3 (2023), and currently 6-4. It’s not great. With the exception of 2022, it’s not what we expect and/our the standard. But it’s also not terrible. The overwhelming majority of schools would love those results.

LSU isn’t Texas A&M — meaning, they can’t afford a $70 million buyout. We’re, unfortunately, “stuck” right now, in purgatory.

I do think he’s losing players … when you have upperclassmen (one being a leader) suspended, that isn’t good. We’ve lost 3 in a row and I think they have and/or are mailing it on. The fans have. You’ll have half-assed, pussyfooting results in the next two games. There’s nothing left to play for — including Kelly. The team won’t rally around him.

Sadly, we’re stuck between a rock and a hard place with Underwood as well. Joe Sloan, in my opinion, isn’t the answer at OC. However, Underwood purportedly LOVES him. If Sloan’s out, so is Underwood. Circling back around, we’re kinda “stuck.”

I think Kelly felt "stuck" at ND until something better came along and I still think LSU keeps Kelly after this season. Kelly turned the culture around ND's football program, but he couldn't win the big game like he can't at LSU. I say LSU keeps Sloan to hold onto Underwood, but this time next season if things don't turn around BK could be gone.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Isn't LSU like 8th right now in the 247 Composite talent rankings?

 

[jprue24]

Isn't LSU like 8th right now in the 247 Composite talent rankings?

 

[Dizzyphil]

I know this is probably irrelevant - or if it's been stated in the posts so far - but I saw this last night.....

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I know this is probably irrelevant - or if it's been stated in the posts so far - but I saw this last night.....

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Yup!
Please give him another 4-5 years to get it right LSU!

 

[Free Manera]

One is the greatest college football coach of all time. The other is an ESPN commentator.

 

[HouseofPain]

I know this is probably irrelevant - or if it's been stated in the posts so far - but I saw this last night.....

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Biiiiig difference between the two.
When Saban took over, the cupboard was really bare. Saban pathed a way for Miles and Miles for coach O. Coach O for BK
Talk about oceans apart coaches.

 

[forkbeard3777]

Yup!
Please give him another 4-5 years to get it right LSU!

We have to. Unless you start passing around the offertory, we can’t write that check. And, frankly, it would be unbelievably stupid to can him.