Superconferences & Realignment

[ndfanatic78]

How can you call us independent? When we do not dictate nearly half our schedule? We just supply dates? We are quisi-indy

Because ND is not stuck with the ACC's shitty media rights deal.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Getting bent over for playing into ~7 BYEs a year is wild. No one doing rankings gives a shit you played teams with BYEs, but it's a huge advantage. We've been lucky thus far to avoid losses, but games much more close than probably necessary.

This makes no sense. What's ND's record against those teams with the bye's. Have you looked at this years schedule no byes for the ACC teams we play. Your point is lost in the past and didn't matter any ways because ND won those games.

 

[ndfanatic78]

If we think we'll still be able to schedule as an independent (Or quasi-independent) even after conference realignment then it's probably best to remain an independent.
If there's a chance we'll run into scheduling conflicts when the dust settles then it's better to make the move and join the B1G or SEC now while we have bargaining power. If we're forced to join a conference due to scheduling concerns then we lose some negotiations leverage.

The top conferences will be bidding against each other for the Irish. We will lose nothing. ND will still be a top 2 earner no matter what conference they join and they will pay for that.

 

[Lberry]

This makes no sense. What's ND's record against those teams with the bye's. Have you looked at this years schedule no byes for the ACC teams we play. Your point is lost in the past and didn't matter any ways because ND won those games.

2023 isn't nearly as bad as years past, although two ACC opponents play Thursdays prior to us. But it'll come to bite us in the future.

But mostly I wanted to share this. It's a badge of honor.

 

[bobbyok1]

2023 isn't nearly as bad as years past, although two ACC opponents play Thursdays prior to us. But it'll come to bite us in the future.

But mostly I wanted to share this. It's a badge of honor.

Yeah, "ignored" him long ago.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I've been searching for someone to show me how to "Boo" a post. I think I've found my guy. I'll send a Zoom invite.

 

[TorontoGold]

2023 isn't nearly as bad as years past, although two ACC opponents play Thursdays prior to us. But it'll come to bite us in the future.

But mostly I wanted to share this. It's a badge of honor.

Did you see the actual results that showed ND is 22-3 with a rest disadvantage?

Will you address that or continue bad faith posting?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Did you see the actual results that showed ND is 22-3 with a rest disadvantage?

Will you address that or continue bad faith posting?

Why is the record so one-sided against opponents who are coming off a bye? It's hard to argue that having two weeks to prepare, rest, and heal isn't an advantage, and certainly isn't a disadvantage. Is it that primarily weaker teams who were very unlikely to beat ND anyway are scheduling their bye week just before facing facing you or is the answer elsewhere? I acknowledge the 22-3 record, but have a hard time seeing how a bye week is causing it.

 

[Lberry]

Did you see the actual results that showed ND is 22-3 with a rest disadvantage?

Will you address that or continue bad faith posting?

I have, you glossed over it. Yes, it hasn't resulted in losses but this isn't the NFL and how you win matters. How many of those games was ND favored? How many times did they beat the spread? And regardless of that, just because it hasn't cost us a loss doesn't mean it won't if we keep issuing out BYEs. If you polled 100 CFB coaches every one would take a BYE before a big game. It's an advantage.

It's a waste of time to argue with someone who doesn't think a BYE is beneficial in football.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Did you see the actual results that showed ND is 22-3 with a rest disadvantage?

Will you address that or continue bad faith posting?

Almost as if we should be begging the ACC to arrange our opponents schedules with a bye week prior to playing us.

 

[TorontoGold]

Why is the record so one-sided against opponents who are coming off a bye? It's hard to argue that having two weeks to prepare, rest, and heal isn't an advantage, and certainly isn't a disadvantage. Is it that primarily weaker teams who were very unlikely to beat ND anyway are scheduling their bye week just before facing facing you or is the answer elsewhere? I acknowledge the 22-3 record, but have a hard time seeing how a bye week is causing it.

Historically the best teams will handle business regardless of what the other opponent's rest is looking like. Top 4 teams since 2016 are Bama/OSU/ND/Clemson.

ND has been able to handle it's business against teams that are rested just fine. Of course it's nicer to have equal rest, but I never said otherwise.

I have, you glossed over it. Yes, it hasn't resulted in losses but this isn't the NFL and how you win matters. How many of those games was ND favored? How many times did they beat the spread? And regardless of that, just because it hasn't cost us a loss doesn't mean it won't if we keep issuing out BYEs. If you polled 100 CFB coaches every one would take a BYE before a big game. It's an advantage.

It's a waste of time to argue with someone who doesn't think a BYE is beneficial in football.

The great thing about this forum is that I know you have access to an internet connection, and with that you can look up ND's record against rested teams. In there, you can see that 3 losses are on there.

Point out where I said a bye isn't beneficial? Please show the whole class your work. It's beneficial to have, but hasn't shown to be a detriment yet. If you want to ask CFB coaches, next time you do, you should ask them if it's a valid excuse to complain about not having the same rest - they'll probably tell you to grow up.

 

[dang227]

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article278972299.html

 

[NDohio]

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article278972299.html

This whole article is fairly comical, but this paragraph really stands out:

That was clear to ACC insiders during the summer of 2021, when Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick and SEC commissioner Greg Sankey tried to slide a CFP expansion plan tailor made for the Irish and SEC past the ACC and everyone else, possessed of the secret knowledge that the SEC was going to add Oklahoma and Texas. When the SEC news broke in the middle of the league’s annual football kickoff and ACC commissioner Jim Phillips wordlessly escorted Swarbrick — present at an ACC football event because the athletic directors meet there — into a conference room for an emergency meeting. The ACC pushed back against Notre Dame then, leading the way in pumping the brakes on the way to the current, different 12-team plan.

Jack wasn't the culprit here. The ridiculous alliance that the ACC joined along with the B1G and PAC 12, an alliance that was sealed with a handshake, was the real issue for the ACC. The B1G went against the alliance and the PAC 12 has become the PAC 2. Don't blame ND on this one.

 

[Irish#1]

Sounds like this guy isn't a fan of Notre Dame. lol

 

[NDohio]

Sounds like this guy isn't a fan of Notre Dame. lol

He should have just put "I hate Notre Dame" at the end of every paragraph.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I watched WVU vs Pitt, then stayed up past midnight watching CU vs CSU.

They're taking away rivalries so we can watch UCLA play Maryland. I guess with change comes time to eventually get used to it.

 

[BobbyMac]

I watched WVU vs Pitt, then stayed up past midnight watching CU vs CSU.

They're taking away rivalries so we can watch UCLA play Maryland. I guess with change comes time to eventually get used to it.

Did you just say the reason you stayed up to watch the CU / CSU game was because of the rivalry???

 

[Armyirish47]

Did you just say the reason you stayed up to watch the CU / CSU game was because of the rivalry???

It just means more

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

It just means more

Ooo, speaking of the SEC, how's that juggernaut looking so far this month?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Did you just say the reason you stayed up to watch the CU / CSU game was because of the rivalry???

It's actually a big rivalry in that state, obviously, although not nationally. I doubt I need to point that out to college football fans here, but when people wonder why CU fans rushed the field after the game, it probably wouldn't make sense to people outside of the region.

Huge amount of hype going into it, hadn't played since 2019 and both programs have been completely terrible for a long time.

But, WTF, gimme Mizzou and Florida at 2 PM on CBS. I'm stoked.

 

[Armyirish47]

Ooo, speaking of the SEC, how's that juggernaut looking so far this month?

Wobbly, but as a wise man once said many times on television, "to be the man, you gotta beat the man." Lotta football left.


WOOOOOOOO

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Wobbly, but as a wise man once said many times on television, "to be the man, you gotta beat the man." Lotta football left.


WOOOOOOOO

I think we've entered unchartered territory with The Portal and NIL.

I still contend the perception was never the reality to begin with.

 

[zelezo vlk]

It's actually a big rivalry in that state, obviously, although not nationally. I doubt I need to point that out to college football fans here, but when people wonder why CU fans rushed the field after the game, it probably wouldn't make sense to people outside of the region.

Huge amount of hype going into it, hadn't played since 2019 and both programs have been completely terrible for a long time.

But, WTF, gimme Mizzou and Florida at 2 PM on CBS. I'm stoked.

Of the CU fans that I know, their hope 1 month ago was that they could beat CSU. That's how down Colorado has been for so long, that CSU is their biggest rival. The reaction after winning a very tight game doesn't surprise me at all.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Of the CU fans that I know, their hope 1 month ago was that they could beat CSU. That's how down Colorado has been for so long, that CSU is their biggest rival. The reaction after winning a very tight game doesn't surprise me at all.

I have three friends who are all originally from the Chicago suburbs who have been living out there for a while now. The impression I was getting from them during last week was that it is a bigger deal than anyone outside of the state really knows. Not having played since 2019 was also a part of it too, and there really hadn't been a break in the series for quite a while up until then.

Then you add the two coaches going at it.

 

[Armyirish47]

I think we've entered unchartered territory with The Portal and NIL.

I still contend the perception was never the reality to begin with.

I'm with you on the portaNIL flattening out the competition, and I think Notre Dame's unique position can be a real strength.

However, the current reality is the SEC has won the last 4 national championships soooooooo

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm with you on the portaNIL flattening out the competition, and I think Notre Dame's unique position can be a real strength.

However, the current reality is the SEC has won the last 4 national championships soooooooo

There is that fact and there is being a "dominant conference."

Two different things.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm with you on the portaNIL flattening out the competition, and I think Notre Dame's unique position can be a real strength.

However, the current reality is the SEC has won the last 4 national championships soooooooo

First time I can remember only one SEC team in the top 10. Usually they make up half the top 10. And they are still overrated with the only four teams with one loss in the Top 25 coming from the SEC (Bama, LSU, Tennessee, Florida) - four of the six SEC teams making the Top 25. Adding TX and OK starts to look like a good move to strengthen the SEC. Hell their best OOC wins in the first month of the year are probably Mizzou over K-State and Ole Miss over Tulane.

I bet a third of the conference Ws year to date are against D2 schools. Juggernaut!

 

[Armyirish47]

There is that fact and there is being a "dominant conference."

Two different things.

I think winning the title each year is pretty dominant but if you wanna crown someone else's asses for some other criteria then crown their asses baby.

 

[Armyirish47]

First time I can remember only one SEC team in the top 10. Usually they make up half the top 10. And they are still overrated with the only four teams with one loss in the Top 25 coming from the SEC (Bama, LSU, Tennessee, Florida) - four of the six SEC teams making the Top 25. Adding TX and OK starts to look like a good move to strengthen the SEC. Hell their best OOC wins in the first month of the year are probably Mizzou over K-State and Ole Miss over Tulane.

I bet a third of the conference Ws year to date are against D2 schools. Juggernaut!

Yup, like I said, wobbly start with a long way to go. It will be interesting to see if ratings across the board get a jump this year with more possible parity.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Holy shit lol